Linux-Hardware Digest #353, Volume #13            Thu, 3 Aug 00 23:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch:  Experiences? (gLiTcH)
  Re: Good tape brands for DC6250 drive (B'ichela)
  Re: Real/Non-real time communication over Ethernet? (Tim Moore)
  Re: How to create compressed archive directly to tape? (Tim Moore)
  Re: Re linux & ASDL (Randy Cooper)
  Re: compatibility list (Tim Moore)
  Re: Partion Table unknown on PC Card? (Randy Cooper)
  finding my SCSI CDR? (Peter Bismuti)
  STB NVidia TNT (Tom Dye)
  Re: Can Redhat 6.2 run on Umsdos filesystems(FAT32)?Answer to my E-mail PLEASE. 
(Ligoth)
  Re: Ultra 66 Support ("Phillip Kimble")
  Re: Ripping CD's with Linux??? (Konstantinos Agouros)
  Re: STB NVidia TNT (MH)
  Re: What Video Card (MH)
  Re: Re linux & ASDL (Hal Burgiss)

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:16:31 -0500
From: gLiTcH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch:  Experiences?

> My first instinct was to look for a pre-built system.  That is the
> easiest thing to do.  VA Linux was attractive to me because they seem
> to have good prices and are pre-configured with Linux.  There is no
> Windows tax with their systems, unlike with GW2K, Dell, and others.
>
> I speced out a system for $855 which was about as much as I wanted to
> pay for the box.  Then a friend of mine convinced me that I could do
> much better if I built my own.  I decided to give it a go.  The
> possiblity of saving money was very attractive to me.  All I had to do
> was make sure I bought Linux friendly hardware.
>

about the only thing you will save money on is not having to pay for the software that
a company will include in the package of the computer.  Companies b/c they order in
lots of 100 or 1000 of course get quantity discounts on parts and then when they price
the system they will make money by pricing it higher than the parts as a whole cost.
B/c you cant buy in mass quantity you will be spending more on each part than what
Gateway et al. would.

>
> Being new to the build your own PC game, I looked around the Internet
> for a few web sites that tell you how to do it.  The ones with the
> most basic tutorials were well out of date.  When some site talks
> about a hot new Pentium processor instead of the more affordable 486,
> you know time has passed since the author put the page together.  A
> lot of time.  After all, one human year is about 70 computer years.
>
> I looked around at tomshardware.com until my eyes popped out.  I could
> hear things flying over my head at warp speed.  I checked out
> pricewatch.com for hardware sources.  Eventually, I made my
> selections.  I choose two vendors.  I would have gone with just one,
> and perhaps that would have been better.  I don't know.  All I know is
> I wanted to keep the shipping charges down so that they wouldn't wipe
> out any savings in hardware cost.  I also ended up going with a system
> that had a bit more iron in it than the one speced out on the VA Linux
> site.
>

you do have a point with the shipping  Many vendors are charging outrageous prices
for  shipping prices and sometimes they can outweigh the savings on the hardware
itself.  The best thing to do is to keep searching until you can find a company with
small shipping prices. Also, some charge tax and that can really hurt you.  When I was
on Sony's site to buy a laptop I found out they charged shipping. I couldn't get their
order form to work so I went to another site who to order the laptop and they didnt
charge tax so right there I saved around $140.

>
> From the few things I picked up on tomshardware.com, with my Intel
> bias still strongly rooted in place, I settled on a Socket 370 board.
> A board that while listed by Abit, was apparantly already obsolete.  I
> ended up ordering the following board:
>
> http://www.abit-usa.com/english/product/vh6.htm
>
> The one that the vendor said was no longer available was the ZH6.
>
> I also started trying to get the 500Mhz Celeron FC-PGA Socket 370
> CPU.  It was cheaper than the 500Mhz PPGA version.  At the time, I had
> no clue what the difference was.  Well, the CPUs were something that
> liked to suddenly be no longer available.  I had started trying to get
> the ZH6 with 500 Mhz Celeron FC-PGA only to be told that the PPGA was
> the only fit for that board.  Fine.  Oh, but the board is no longer
> available.  How about the VH6?  It also works with the FC-PGA.  The
> CPU is cheaper, but the board costs a bit more.  Total increase in
> cost worked out to $12.  Fine. But the 500Mhz Celeron isn't available
> anymore.  How about the 533?  Ok.  While I'm at it, I order the heat
> sink with fan a 128MB DIMM, and an ATI 4MB AGP video card, the
> cheapest they had.
>
> The stuff arrives, but it turns out that the CPU is back ordered.
> WTF?  Naturally I am quite pissed.  The stuff was in stock when I
> ordered it.  I call to find out that they won't be getting any more
> 533s for a while.  I rant and rave for a bit and end up being talked
> into a 566 for another $10.  Now, as I am typing this, the FedEx guy
> arrives.  Does he have my CPU?  The invoice says yes.  The box says
> no.  Inside is a Tyan S1834 Tiger 133 motherboard with dual CPU slot 1
> sockets.  No CPU.  Well, at least I can hold these people hostage
> now.  I suspect some other customer is pissed at getting a CPU instead
> of a motherboard!
>

A company I have had a bad time with is TigerDirect. I'll save you the rant but
needless to say they were a pain.

>
> I'll start naming names on my web page when I get everything up and
> running.  Maybe I should say if I get everything up and running.
>
> Another problem I had was with the UDMA/66 (AKA Utral ATA/66 IDE)
> ribbon cable that comes with the board.  One of the wires was cut.  I
> needed another cable anyway as I wasn't going to hook the HD and
> CD-ROM to the same controller, but it turns out that CompUSA likes to
> charge about 4x wholesale on these little items.  When I called the
> vendor to complain about this, I was transfered to customer service
> who cut me off.
>
> These people are giving me a real headache!  I will get satisfaction
> now that I have a hostage.  Come to think of it, I can get them for
> credit card fraud now that they charged me for something I did not
> receive.  I think they will be very receptive to my demands for
> satisfaction as all I want is the CPU I asked for.  And a refund on
> the cable.  The price *I* paid for the replacement.  I'll give them
> back the defective one.
>
> The things I got from the other vendor were a 40GB Maxtor IDE drive, a
> CD-ROM (so I could load linux and maybe use it for other stuff), a
> floppy drive, just in case I need it, and a NIC.  They hit me a bit
> hard on the shipping.
>
> I bought a computer case with 250w power supply localy.  I wanted to
> see what I was getting and not be killed by shipping charges.  It's a
> nice box, all steel except for the front, made by A Open.  Anyone
> heard of them?  Anyway, the motherboard's mounting holes lined up with
> the studs reasonably well so that I could use six screws to secure it
> in place.  All the components are easy to access when the damn ribbon
> cables aren't in the way.  The box wasn't exactly cheap, but it wasn't
> outrageously priced either.  After PA sales tax of 6% it came out to
> $90.10.  As long as the ATX formfactor is in use, that box will be
> useful.
>

I bought a 13 bay Mega Tower case from a company in a Computer Shopper magazine about
a year ago.  It cost me $140 or so.  It's a great case and I still have 1 5 1/4"
external bays left and about 4 3 1/2" internal bays left.  With the Abit BE6 board
that has the 2 UDMA 66 controllers on it as well as the normal 2 IDE controllers on it
I can just about fill up the case without any extra cards.

>
> At this point in time, I have speced a system that is a bit more
> powerful than the one from VA Linux.  I have saved very little money.
> I have incurred some frustration to make up for that.  On top of all
> that, I recently found this on Tom's Hardware:
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q2/000619/index.html
>
> It makes me think I might have gone with a Duron instead, or even an
> Athelon.  It seems that AMD has become a real chip maker when I wasn't
> looking.
>

As soon as the Athlon came out I knew AMD would start getting noticed.  Unfortunately
I had just bought my PIII 450 (this was end of July of last year) and couldn't afford
a new Athlon anyway but in the future it will be my next CPU.

>
> Has anyone else had similar experiences to mine?  Does life get easier
> in the build your own PC game?  I feel a lot like I should have just
> gone with VA Linux and be done with it.
>

Well, as other people have said it allows you to better understand how all the
components  of a system work together and you are better able to diagnose a problem.
If you are the type of person who likes fixing things yourself you will have put
yourself into the perfect situation as you will be able to learn about the system and
not have to pay someone else to fix it for you.  You will have the components you
wanted in the first place and will be able to shop around for hopefully cheaper prices
than what you would have paid if you had purchased a full system.  You will be able to
make choices about what you want more (cpu speed over ram quantity) instead of
choosing the best model that fits your needs from the likes of Gateway et al. and then
having to upgrade the components included in that package.

>

I hope you enjoy your new system and enjoy assembling it as I do when I go on an
upgrading spree.


Brandon


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Good tape brands for DC6250 drive
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:20:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 03 Aug 2000 11:42:55 -0400, David C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've always had good luck with Imation (which used to be known as 3M or
>Scotch, BTW.)
        Of the two Imation tapes. both seem to have survivied heavy
use without a bad block yet! Imation seems to be the more expensive
brand however.
>Verbatim is a popular brand, but as you've already seen, they don't seem
>to hold up over time.
        from the several verbatims I have, I can agree with you on the
tape going sour after heavy use.
>Global doesn't make their own tape.  It's going to be tape from some
>other brand, relabled.  I don't know what you're actually going to get.
        From the pictures of the tapes in their catalog. I believe
they are relabled verbatiums.
        Just curious. am I the only one that had problems with Maxell
DC6150 tapes? How do they compare to their other tapes products? I
remeber that I bought them (two) as they were the cheapest. They seem
to be the WORST! My Maxell audio tapes seem to be fine. Never saw an
imation audio cassette. Hypethetically. if Imation did make cassette
tapes. how well do you think they would stand up to heavy abuse or in
my case the descriminating ear?
>
>My experience is with 4mm, 8mm, DC6150, TR-4, floppies and non-data
>(audio and video) media.  I haven't used the other types you mention,
>but I would still trust Imation/3M, simply because of their good
>reputation with other kinds of magnetic media.
        It seems you and I agree that Imation is the best of the
bunch. Now to get the money saved up to buy a few more.


-- 

                        B'ichela


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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.realtime,comp.os.linux.develop,comp.os.linux.embedded
Subject: Re: Real/Non-real time communication over Ethernet?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:52:35 GMT


http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/

> an embedded processor under RTLinux2.0 (Linux kernel 2.2.13).
> 
> This process is logging data from a set of sensors, and writing the data
> to a file
> or buffer, in real time. I'd like to be able to do online data
> visualisation on
> a host machine, connected to the embedded system via Ethernet. I figure
> ...
-- 
timothymoore
   bigfoot
     com

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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to create compressed archive directly to tape?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:54:31 GMT

tar cvzf /dev/nst0 /home
......^

Gerry Ginty wrote:
> 
> How does one create a .tar.gz directly to tape without first creating
> the archive on disk first and then doing the "tar cvf /dev/nst0
> somename.tar.gz ??????

-- 
timothymoore
   bigfoot
     com

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From: Randy Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re linux & ASDL
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:56:24 -0500

Hi,
    I use an ADSL connection with an external "ADSL 1 megabit Modem" made
by Nortel Networks. My ISP uses PPP over ethernet, something I wasn't aware
of when I subscribed for this service.  Needless to say I got nowhere until
I found this out. The ADSL mini-howto doesn't mention PPPoE at all. If you
need PPPoE, I highly recommend the Roaring Penguin implementation. It is
extremely easy to setup, especially under Redhat as there is a package for
it in RPM format. I simply followed the installation instructions and had a
working connection, which I am using to post this reply.

One thing that  is very important is that the MTU be set to 1400 (or less)
for all network interfaces, i.e. all those you can see by entering the
ifconfig command, this includes the ppp connection, but excludes the Local
Loopback connection which you should leave alone. As I have a Linux system
acting as a firewall and other Linux systems connected to the firewall this
must be done on  ALL of the systems in my local network including the
firewall system.

Originally I had the MTU set to 1412, but was unable to access some web
sites, including SlashDot and Freshmeat. Changing the MTU to 1400 cured
this. I have heard that you may have to go as low as 1325, but so far 1400
has worked for me.

With respect to the ADSL mini-howto, although it was insteresting to read,
I found it to be of no practical value for my setup. I'm glad to hear it is
being rewritten and strongly urge the author to include information
regarding PPPoE.

Hal Burgiss wrote:

> On 3 Aug 2000 21:10:21 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:08:53 +0200, Pete051 wrote:
> >>does anyone know if linux would work with a ASDL connection?
> >                                             ^^^^
> >"Ancient, Slow Delay Loop"?  Oh, wait, you mean "Asymmetric Digital
> >Subscriber Line", commonly abbreviated as "ADSL".  Yep, it's how I'm
> >sending this message to Usenet.  There's even a mini-HOWTO on the
> >subject at http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/ADSL-HOWTO.html .  That
> >document is a little out-of-date, though, and doesn't cover new
> >subjects like PPPoE and those never-to-be-sufficiently-damned "Internal
> >DSL 'modems'" that only work under Windoze.
>
> Actually and coincidentally, I am in the midst of updating the ADSL mini
> HOWTO. Rewrite might be better characterization. A partially ready draft
> is at
>
>  http://feenix.eyep.net/ldp/adsl
>
> I would love any feedback, from Dances or anyone else ;) Would even like
> feedback from the uninitiated just to make sure it makes sense.
>
> The PPPoE/A stuff is not in there yet. Someone else is working on a
> PPPoE mini HOWTO, which may or may not get combined into this one.
>
> >If you're thinking of getting DSL service, talk to your provider and
> >see if you can get an external DSL router--those are the best solution
> >for Linux atm.  Ask if they use PPPoE--there are PPPoE clients for
> >Linux available at http://roaringpenguin.com/ .  HTH, good luck....
>
> I have other info available at
>
>  http://feenix.eyep.net/dsl/linux_dsl.html
>
> For Pete, ADSL is a technology. Asking this question is like asking if
> Linux works with telephones. The technology does not care ;) Now, the
> ISPs and telcos, well, maybe another story there. They can make getting
> up and running more of a chore than it needs to be, but many of us are
> doing it. But its a case of YMMV with the providers. Your question will
> make the FAQ section, BTW, so thanks.
>
> --
> Hal B
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --

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From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compatibility list
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:00:39 GMT

> I had a quick question , is there a website which list compatible device
> (peripherals) for different flavors of linux?

Each distribution's web site will have a hardware compatibility list. 
For example, http://www.redhat.com/support/hardware/

FYI 'linux' refers to the kernel itself.  'Distribution' refers to a
particular kernel version, drivers, installer and other software
included in that distribution.
-- 
timothymoore
   bigfoot
     com

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From: Randy Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partion Table unknown on PC Card?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:02:09 -0500

Hi,

You can use the command:
     fdisk -l  /dev/yourdisk
to find out what partitions are on the disk and their sizes and types.

Andrey Vlasov wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> it sounds like you do not have any partition on the disk. In this case
>
> try
>
> fdisk /dev/yourdisk
>
> and partition it as you require, do not forget create filesystem
> later.
>
> Andrey
>
> --
>
> == System Development & Support Systems ============================
> Andrey Vlassov                          Phones: +1-(604)-482-5792
>                                                 +1-(604)-482-5791
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]               Home:   +1-(604)-294-6653
>         [EMAIL PROTECTED]        Pager:  +1-(604)-473-1754
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>
>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Bismuti)
Subject: finding my SCSI CDR?
Date: 4 Aug 2000 02:08:11 GMT

I'm trying to get my  PlexWriter 8/20 working with Linux 6.0,
I tried using 

        cdrecord -scanbus and got back

and     

        No such file or directory.  Cannot open SCSI driver.
        For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.  

How can I tell if this is a hardware or software problem??  I just got 
it back from a rebuild, most things are working, perhaps SCSI is not.

Thanks

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From: Tom Dye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: STB NVidia TNT
Date: 4 Aug 2000 02:22:58 GMT

Hi all,

Dell offers the STB NVidia TNT 16MB video card for my old Optiplex. I'd
like to get the extra video ram (the motherboard svga is limited to 2 MB).  
Does it to work with XFree86 (RedHat 6.2)?  I've checked the hardware
How-To, where it is not listed, but my impression is that the How-To is
not particularly up-to-date (though I might be wrong).

Any advice will be much appreciated.  

Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.                                    http://www.tsdye.com
Home: 812A 19th Avenue, Honolulu, Hawaii 96816.  (808) 739-1367 or 387-9352.
Work: International Archaeological Research Institute, Inc., 2081 Young St.,
      Honolulu, Hawaii 96826. Voice (808) 946-2548; Fax 943-0716.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ligoth)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can Redhat 6.2 run on Umsdos filesystems(FAT32)?Answer to my E-mail 
PLEASE.
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:24:00 GMT

Stefan Viljoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you mean "run on" such as "execute from / or boot from" the answer as far
>as I know is no - Linux must boot from a native Linux partition formatted as
>an Ext2. (Right?)

Not entirely correct.  For example, my / partition is ReiserFS, not Ext2.
The thing is that you must have support for the filesystem either built into
the kernel or loaded as a module in an initrd or you will get a kernel panic.

-- 
Anton Graham                            GPG ID: 0x18F78541
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>                 RSA key available upon request

I remember Ulysses well...  Left one day for the post office to mail a
letter, met a blonde named Circe on the streetcar, and didn't come back for
20 years.


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Reply-To: "Phillip Kimble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Phillip Kimble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ultra 66 Support
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:30:35 -0500

So, the UDMA66 controller card isnt yet supported? This is a little strange.
I recently installed slak7.1 (2.2.16) which has a preconfigured ata66 kernel
that will load & run the CMD648 controller card without problems. Yet, when
I tried to recompile a custom kernel, things got real bad!! After four days
I gave up and went with the preconfigured installation kernel, without the
nice litles customizations we all compile in! Does this make sense??

>     As long as you don't try to use a separate controller, you should be
> fine using your mb's built-in IDE controller. It will run at 33. The
> problems with UDMA/66 come from using an add-on controller card.
>     As far as I know, support for U/66 is iffy and not worth the hassle.
>
>
> "Niklas Krumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:N6_h5.2822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering what the current state of support for Ultra/66 is for
> linux?
> > If I attach an ultra 66 HD to a motherboard that supports both U/66 and
> > U/33, does linux recognize this setup as Ultra 33? This would be nice
> > because then when kernal 2.4 comes out, (with U/66 support, hopefully) I
> can
> > upgrade and use the hard drive at full speed. Thanks,
> >
> > Niklas Krumm
> >
> >
>
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Re: Ripping CD's with Linux???
Date: 3 Aug 2000 21:34:52 +0200

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Maughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>sandrews wrote:

>>         Grip using Bladenc works well.

>I prefer using Lame - it encodes a lot faster and gives better quality on my
>system... But everyone else seems to use Bladeenc - Am I missing something?
I am using lame as well. By now I am using distributed lame \:)
I wrote a little bit of perl (it's not quite finished yet) to encode on
remote-cpus \:)

Konstantin
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Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: STB NVidia TNT
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:42:16 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tom Dye wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Dell offers the STB NVidia TNT 16MB video card for my old Optiplex. I'd
> like to get the extra video ram (the motherboard svga is limited to 2 MB).
> Does it to work with XFree86 (RedHat 6.2)?  I've checked the hardware
> How-To, where it is not listed, but my impression is that the How-To is
> not particularly up-to-date (though I might be wrong).
> 
> Any advice will be much appreciated.
> 
> Tom
> 
> --
> Thomas S. Dye, Ph.D.                                    http://www.tsdye.com
> Home: 812A 19th Avenue, Honolulu, Hawaii 96816.  (808) 739-1367 or 387-9352.
> Work: International Archaeological Research Institute, Inc., 2081 Young St.,
>       Honolulu, Hawaii 96826. Voice (808) 946-2548; Fax 943-0716.

That card is based on the RIVA TNT chipset, which is supported by
XFree86 at least since version 3.3.5.  I believe RH 6.2 comes with
XFree86 3.3.6.  I have run an ASUS card with the RIVA TNT chipset under
both versions of XFree86.  Runs flawlessly at 800 x 600/16 bit color. 
Your STB should work just as well.

-- 
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not
true.
In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the
true;
it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." 

                                        -- H. L. Mencken

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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Video Card
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:48:22 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Mike S." wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded this computer with a PIII-500 cpu and am using my old
> PII-350 to build a linux internet server for this win98 machine and another
> linux box that I use for ham radio. Other than a few little problems the
> main problem I've ever had with linux is the video card and setting it up in
> kde. I'll be using a AGP video card. Any recomendations on  a video card?
> 
> --
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ATI cards are also well-supported.  Generally, you should stay away from
the "latest-and-greatest".  Check the Linux and XFree86 hardware
compatibility lists to be sure.

-- 
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not
true.
In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the
true;
it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." 

                                        -- H. L. Mencken

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Re linux & ASDL
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 03:00:04 GMT

On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:56:24 -0500, Randy Cooper
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>With respect to the ADSL mini-howto, although it was insteresting to
>read, I found it to be of no practical value for my setup. I'm glad to
>hear it is being rewritten and strongly urge the author to include
>information regarding PPPoE.

I am not the original author BTW. He is no longer interested or lacks
the time. PPPoE/A is one reason I am doing this. I am well aware how
outdated this is (even though only a year or so old!). 

If you want to do everyone a favor, check back at the URL in 3-4-5 days
and offer suggestions/corrections. This is 'free' software (and docs),
so everyone can help a little, and should IMO. Your comments would be
most helpful. Especially since I am not a PPPoX customer and have no
first hand experience with this aspect of it. I have no way to even test
a PPPoX setup. My setup is like the original authors FWIW.

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