Linux-Hardware Digest #736, Volume #14 Mon, 7 May 01 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: newbie Req: PCI Audio Vortex on Mandrake 7.2 ("uncle freddy")
Re: Voodoo 3500 TV? ("uncle freddy")
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? (Alan Coopersmith)
Re: Firewire (was Re: Umax 6400 Scanner) (Dances With Crows)
Re: CDRW recommendations? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Mainboard Socket 7 (Dances With Crows)
Re: CONFIG_USB_UHCI vs. CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (a.k.a. JE) (Dances With Crows)
Re: digital camera (Dances With Crows)
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Jim Wallis)
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? (Philip Brown)
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Logan Shaw)
Slackware Installation with Fasttrak66 ("Enrico Ng")
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? (Sriranga Veeraraghavan)
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? (Sriranga Veeraraghavan)
Framegrabber recommendations? (Steve Snyder)
Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com (Cobalt
servers)? (Richard L. Hamilton)
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From: "uncle freddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie Req: PCI Audio Vortex on Mandrake 7.2
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:33:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "totoro"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please note that I'm a fresher, the query may therefore be badly posed.
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and it seems to dislike my audio card (PCI
> Audio Vortex AU8810) - no sound at all indeed. If anyone can help...
>
check aureal.sourceforge.net for the Aureal Linux project, I have an
aureal 8810 based card it works ok here.
uf
> I also couldn't configure my USB mouse (Logitech i-Feel)... for the good
> of heart...
>
> thanks,
> totoro
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From: "uncle freddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Voodoo 3500 TV?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:36:19 GMT
In article <9d3p5o$9vm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joergen Pihlflyckt"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "uncle freddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Michael"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/v3tv/
>>>
>>or v3tv.sourceforge.net
>
>>notice the project has been quiet for about 4 months. Trying to do some
>>TV capture froze the kernel up solid with 2.4.4 for me btw, be careful!
>
> The biggest problems now occur not because of the kernel version, but
> because of XFree version 4. If you can get XFree version 3.3.6 up and
> running you should be OK. And capture isn't very effective yet, because
> mmap isn't implemented.
I haven't been able to get 3.3.6 working, I tried a couple times recently
so I could play some quake3 but I can't get it working. I don't care
enough to take weeks figuring it out :-)
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From: Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: 6 May 2001 23:40:27 GMT
"Abe Lian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes in comp.sys.sun.admin:
|Since they will have to support these systems, they are
|a Linux vendor.
Not really, they're an appliance vendor, much like TiVo. That these
boxes happen to run Linux is an implementation detail.
--
________________________________________________________________________
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://soar.Berkeley.EDU/~alanc/ aka: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Working for, but definitely not speaking for, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Firewire (was Re: Umax 6400 Scanner)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 00:04:37 GMT
On Fri, 04 May 2001 13:24:53 GMT, Jonadab the Unsightly One staggered
into the Black Sun and said:
>"Nick K. Aghazarian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Anyone get a firewire scanner to work under linux (any distro)? I have
>> one, and would love to use it without having to reboot to windows.
>> Sane doesn't seem to support it, and makes it sound like it never will.
>
>This is the first I've heard of firewire on anything but an iMac. Is
>there PC hardware that supports firewire? Is that native to the
>motherboard, or is it added via an expansion card? What are the
>advantages and disadvantages of firewire as compared to more common
>types of connections (serial, parallel, SCSI, USB, PCI, or whatever it
>compares with most readily)?
On the x86 platform, IEEE1394 support is typically provided by a plug-in
PCI card. There would've been 1394 ports on all x86 boards by now,
except for some silly licensing problems. Sony has their own version of
1394 called "iLink" which is vanilla 1394 with a funny-shaped connector.
1394 is similar to USB in that it's a serial data bus operating at very
high speeds. 1394 is very fast--roughly 200Mbit/s, though a lot of
devices operate at 100. 1394 is similar to SCSI in that you connect
devices by daisy-chaining them, but there's no need to set device IDs.
A maximum of 63 devices can be connected in one chain. Unlike USB,
there are 6 wires in a 1394 cable, 2 for power, 4 for data. The
connector form factor for 1394 was derived from cables and connectors
used in the Nintendo GameBoy.(!)
1394 is not generally used in anything but fast external disks
and digital video equipment at the moment. Having 1394 on a scanner
sounds like extreme overkill, unless this scanner is one of those that
process several pages a second.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: CDRW recommendations?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 00:04:38 GMT
On Fri, 04 May 2001 20:46:46 GMT, Ed Nather staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I'd like to add a CDRW drive to my linux box (Dell XPS D266, RedHat
>6.2). Can anyone recommend one they have working, and point me to
>where a driver lives?
So far I've used a Philips 460 and a cheap Cendyne RW7063A (IDE models)
and they both worked. There are a LOT of CD-RWs out there that work
with Linux; I would estimate that 99% of all models available on store
shelves work to some degree. Plextor is widely considered to be a good
buy, but they're expensive.
A driver for CD-RWs lives in /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/{sr_mod.c,
sg.c, scsi.c, possibly ide-scsi.c}. User-space software for writing CDs
is called "cdrecord" and "mkisofs", both on your RedHat CDs somewhere.
There are also front-ends liek XCDRoast and Gcombust which make the
process graphical.
A guide to getting a CD-RW writing CDs under Linux is available at
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html , or you can just go to
http://groups.google.com/ and search on my name and the keyword "CD-R"
for more stuff. I've posted brief guides sometime in the last 3 months.
HTH, bonne chance....
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Mainboard Socket 7
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 00:04:40 GMT
On Fri, 04 May 2001 17:13:11 +0200, Dedicated to all Manson Fans
staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>I'm searching for a socket 7 mainboard. It should have some SDRAM slots,
>an FSB up to 100MHz, a nice (that means fast) Chipset with a good APM
>(stable and with some nice features like 'wake up on modem-act'), UDMA66
>on Board an so on...
You want a "Super 7" board, not a Socket 7. Minor differences, like
that 100MHz FSB.
>It's for an old P200MMX What can you recommend (single components,
>too)? It's long time ago so that I can't find the test's in my mags.
Well, that's what the Net is for, eh? Tom's Hardware Guide and Ars
Technica should have reviews of Super 7 boards somewhere in their back
issues. If you're getting a Super 7 board, why not spend the extra $30
and get a K6-2 500 for it in place of that old P200? (Yes, the K6-2's
floating point bites, but at 2.25x the MHz, it'll be much faster even
with the bite.)
Anyway, I had good results with the Epox MVP3G2. It did wake-on-modem
and wake-on-LAN (never used them), 3 DIMM slots (384M maximum), APM
worked though I rarely used it, VIA MVP3 IDE chipset--don't know about
the U/66 support, but it got 20M/s off a reasonably normal disk with
kernel 2.3.99 according to hdparm. Was about $100 1.5 years ago through
pricewatch.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: CONFIG_USB_UHCI vs. CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (a.k.a. JE)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 00:04:33 GMT
On Sat, 05 May 2001 13:45:45 GMT, Young4ert staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
>I am trying to compile linux-2.4.4 kernel on my linux machine comprised
>of an Asus K7M Mobo and an AMD Athlon 500MHz CPU. When configuring
>the "USB support", I get stuck and am confused as to which UHCI support
>to choose: CONFIG_USB_UHCI or CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT (Alternate JE
>Driver). Can anyone please shed some lights in this matter?
Why don't you just try one or the other and see? The ALT driver appears
to work fine on my Abit KT7, though I only have one USB device to test
it with.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: digital camera
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 07 May 2001 00:04:34 GMT
On Sun, 06 May 2001 05:38:28 GMT, Drew Roedersheimer staggered into the
Black Sun and said:
>On 6 May 2001 01:36:22 -0400, Hal Burgiss wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 May 2001 05:18:17 GMT, Drew Roedersheimer
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><snip>
>>
>>gphoto.org !!! http://gphoto.org/cameras.html
>Thanks for the info/link...
Please note that the developers of gphoto mean it when they say "Cameras
with similar model numbers tend to use the same communications
protocol." F'rexample, the Olympus 490Z is not on the compatability list
for gphoto, but it works great with the 450Z settings.
If you can, bring a laptop with gphoto installed to the store, then ask
to test-drive the camera you're interested in.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
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From: Jim Wallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:28:28 +0100
Abe Lian wrote:
>
> Now Sun Microsystems is selling Cobalt Server Appliances on
> the front page of www.sun.com.
>
> If you read the fine print you discover that these are of the same
> hardware and OS platform that Cobalt used to sell before being
> acquired by Sun Microsystems.
<snip>
> Since they will have to support these systems, they are
> a Linux vendor.
Yep, created a little excitement in the Linux world, imagine Linux being
accepted by a Unix leader like Sun. Not just accepted but taken on board
as part of their product range - Linux has definitely grown up - hell
even Microsoft are starting to look at it for the basis of a future OS
because theirs is so awful!
There are a lot of cool things happening in Linux, and Sun is right to
realise it should get involved and make use of these things. After all
the Linux sparc port has been around a while and people like me are
scooping up old Sun equipment to run it on because we know it's going to
be much better than on a PC, and much cheaper than Solaris!
Come to think of it Compaq have started producing Linux PC's now, and
they are the current owners of Digital Unix (which they already renamed
- yuk). Clearly Sun are not the only ones who perceive the marketplace
has a need for both their traditional Unix line on their own hardware
and a Linux line based on x86 hardware.
As for your question about why they didn't start producing Cobalts with
sparc processors, well maybe the writing is on the wall for the
traditional sparc OS since Linux already runs quite well on sparcs! It
will take time of course!
JIM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:49:37 GMT
In comp.sys.sun.hardware Jim Wallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep, created a little excitement in the Linux world, imagine Linux being
> accepted by a Unix leader like Sun. Not just accepted but taken on board
> as part of their product range - Linux has definitely grown up - hell
> even Microsoft are starting to look at it for the basis of a future OS
> because theirs is so awful!
Where'd you hear this?
- A.P.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:03:53 GMT
On Mon, 07 May 2001 01:28:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>As for your question about why they didn't start producing Cobalts with
>sparc processors, well maybe the writing is on the wall for the
>traditional sparc OS[...blah blah]
the reason is because intel hardware is cheaper, and one of the main
selling points about cobalt boxes is that they are CHEAP.
[yes, I know they used to be MIPS based. same reason; they got a good
deal on the processor they needed. but now it is more cost-effective
to use intel hardware]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Logan Shaw)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
Date: 6 May 2001 20:43:35 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Wallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are a lot of cool things happening in Linux, and Sun is right to
>realise it should get involved and make use of these things. After all
>the Linux sparc port has been around a while and people like me are
>scooping up old Sun equipment to run it on because we know it's going to
>be much better than on a PC, and much cheaper than Solaris!
How much cheaper can you be than free? (Are Linux distribution
companies paying people to run Linux on their machines?)
>Come to think of it Compaq have started producing Linux PC's now, and
>they are the current owners of Digital Unix (which they already renamed
>- yuk). Clearly Sun are not the only ones who perceive the marketplace
>has a need for both their traditional Unix line on their own hardware
I would agree if had you substituted "desire" for "need". I'm not
saying Linux isn't useful. I'm just saying companies target their
products at what they think people will buy, not what they think people
need. So, it doesn't matter if Linux is the same as, better than, or
worse than something else -- if customers want it, companies will
eventually decide to sell it.
>and a Linux line based on x86 hardware.
Don't forget IBM. They're doing lots of Linux stuff.
- Logan
--
my your his her our their _its_
I'm you're he's she's we're they're _it's_
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From: "Enrico Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware Installation with Fasttrak66
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:05:44 -0500
I am trying to install Slackware 7.1.
I have a Promise Fasttrak66 raid card.
The cd will not boot all the way.
I tried making the ata66 boot floppy and got his message
========================================================================
PDC20262: (U)DMA Burst Bit ENABLED Primary MASTER Mode
Secondary
MASTER Mode.
ide2: ...
==========================================================================
I was thinking that I could pull the card out, install linux, then install
some module or something so that slackwere can boot up. then put the card
back.
Does anyone have any ideas?
--
Enrico Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Sriranga Veeraraghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: 06 May 2001 21:03:15 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes:
> the reason is because intel hardware is cheaper, and one of the main
> selling points about cobalt boxes is that they are CHEAP.
>
> [yes, I know they used to be MIPS based. same reason; they got a good
> deal on the processor they needed. but now it is more cost-effective
> to use intel hardware]
Just to pick nits, most of our current systems (RaQ3, RaQ4, Qube3) are
powered by AMD processors not Intel. I believe that the RaQ XTR (in
some SKUs) is powered by an Intel processor.
The switch to x86 from MIPS has lowered the cost of development and
maintenance. The performance and stability of the systems has also
increased, as Linux tends to run better on x86 than on other
architectures.
- Speaking for myself, not on behalf of Sun or Cobalt -
----ranga
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From: Sriranga Veeraraghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: 06 May 2001 21:16:44 -0700
Jim Wallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> After all the Linux sparc port has been around a while and people
> like me are scooping up old Sun equipment to run it on because we
> know it's going to be much better than on a PC, and much cheaper
> than Solaris!
If you are interested in an alternative OS on older Sun hardware, I
would recommend you try either NetBSD or OpenBSD instead of Linux.
In my personal experience, having run Sparc-Linux on everything from
an IPC to a Ultra1, Sparc-Linux is not nearly as stable or fast as the
BSDs. Things may have changed now, but it used to be quite difficult
to get stable kernels and glibc's on Sparc-Linux. About the only
reason I know of to choose Sparc-Linux over one of the BSDs is SMP
support.
Anyway, I'm currently running OpenBSD on my SS10 and I'm pretty happy
with that.
----ranga
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From: Steve Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Framegrabber recommendations?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:41:13 -0700
Hello.
I am looking for hardware/software advice for a framegrabber in Linux.
While I am very familiar with Linux, I know roughly zero about
framegrabbing. Since I am just getting my feet wet, I'm looking for a
simple setup, just a cheap parallel-port-based color camera and the
software to use with it. (Yes, I'm sure USB would be better, but this old
machine lacks a USB port. It does have an ECP parallel port, though.)
I don't care about full-motion video; just stills. Think of a Webcam.
I've already searched this topic on Google. While I got a lot of
references, most seemed to be pretty old. I doubt that most of the models
referred to are still sold. I'm guessing that most of the software
mentioned is obsolete too.
One more thing: I can't use any GUI tools. I've got RedHat v7.1 installed
on this machine, but not XFree86/KDE/Gnome. Commandline tools will have
to do.
So... any recomendations on the camera & software I should use? How about
a HOW-TO of recent vintage?
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard L. Hamilton)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Why is Sun selling Linux-based PC Server Applicances on www.sun.com
(Cobalt servers)?
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 04:50:54 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Wallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Abe Lian wrote:
>>
>> Now Sun Microsystems is selling Cobalt Server Appliances on
>> the front page of www.sun.com.
>>
>> If you read the fine print you discover that these are of the same
>> hardware and OS platform that Cobalt used to sell before being
>> acquired by Sun Microsystems.
> <snip>
>> Since they will have to support these systems, they are
>> a Linux vendor.
>
> Yep, created a little excitement in the Linux world, imagine Linux being
> accepted by a Unix leader like Sun. Not just accepted but taken on board
> as part of their product range - Linux has definitely grown up - hell
> even Microsoft are starting to look at it for the basis of a future OS
> because theirs is so awful!
I'd like to believe it, but that's so out there that I wouldn't unless
I saw two or more reputable references that were not dated 1 April.
> There are a lot of cool things happening in Linux, and Sun is right to
> realise it should get involved and make use of these things. After all
> the Linux sparc port has been around a while and people like me are
> scooping up old Sun equipment to run it on because we know it's going to
> be much better than on a PC, and much cheaper than Solaris!
Cheaper? For <8 CPU-capable systems (or is it <=8, I never was quite
sure), the Solaris binaries are _free_ for download or $75 for media
(including various extras and goodies). Ditto for most of the source
other than X-Windows related stuff, although the terms are quite
restrictive.
Linux is both cool and useful. But that doesn't make it better than all
other OSs (or even all other Unix-like OSs) for all purposes. Don't
let your enthusiasm walk all over your judgement.
--
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