Linux-Hardware Digest #811, Volume #14           Tue, 22 May 01 19:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: VIA Apollo Southbridge again (Peter Christy)
  BIOS Operating System (BIOSOS) (long). (Hermann Samso)
  Re: Help: how do I get rid of these messages..... using Mandrake 8.0 ("Wolfsbane2k")
  Re: Sound Card (martin rogers)
  Re: SCSI unter Linux mounten (Markus Meitner)
  Serial port expansion board recommendation? (Matt Majka)
  Re: Add IDE CDRW to system with SCSI-host adapter AHA-1542 (Roger Lindmark)
  Re: Linux: reduced capacity of my hard disk? ("Ennio")
  Re: SCSI: aborting command due to timeout (Xiaoqin Qiu)
  Logitech Quickcam Web USB ("David Leblond")
  Working on LinkSys Homelink HomePNA PCMCIA driver... (John T. Ellis)
  Re: AC97 Onboard Sound (Michael Gutbier)
  Re: What is sendmail? (Norm)
  How do I determine parallel port irq etc? (Mike Martin)
  Best 100Mbs PCI Ethernet card? (Timur Tabi)
  Re: How do I determine parallel port irq etc? (Jerry Broszkowski)
  ATI Rage Fury Pro  and RedHat 7.1 incompatibility (Andrei Pushkarev)

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From: Peter Christy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VIA Apollo Southbridge again
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:15:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Its not really my area of expertise, but I've read somewhere that there is 
a bug in the via chipset that can lead to file corruption. The stop-gap 
answer is to turn off DMA. This slows things down a bit, but at least its 
stable.

Having said that, I'm running kernel 2.4.4 with UDMA66 on a Gigabyte board 
(via chipset) without problems, so far (Damn! Shouldn't have said 
that....... <G>)! 

-- 
Pete
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Hermann Samso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.arch,comp.os.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: BIOS Operating System (BIOSOS) (long).
Date: 22 May 2001 19:18:51 GMT

        Summary:
        With the advent of cheap ROMs and flash memory, it
        would be delightful to have a small Boot Up Operating System.


        The Story:
        Having just bought two second hand PCs, I had to realize
        that they didn't have any Operating System installed, and 
        oh poor me! forgot to buy the last update/release of my
        favourite OS (Linux/Windows/etc). What to do?

        The Solution:
        Not only for test reasons, but to really boot up a System
        from scratch, it would be helpful to have a BIOS "glue"
        or some other kind of ROM installed in everyday use PCs.
        This would help mantain the System and also help in software
        developement.

        This idea is not new. We fount it in old 8 bit and 16 bit 
        Home Computers. The like of Basic ROMs in Sinclairs/Commodores/
        Amstrad/Ataris or TOS/Workbench in Amigas and Atari STs.

        This would suppose a level of abstraction between plain ol'
        BIOS and your favourite OS. It would be a simple kind of DOS,
        nowadays to find in the Public Domain (FreeDos,...) and
        would help in recovery and simple machine testing operations.
        Call it BIOSOS.

        Such a low profile System can be packed easily in a 512KB ROM 
        or Flash alike piece. It wouldn't overprice a Motherboard much, 
        and certainly would be very helpful to gain a rapid insight of
        the System at view, at last, without having to boot up from any 
        removable or soft image.
        Forth, a JavaVM or a minimal Linux, are implementations that
        instantly pop up to mind (SUN's, PowerPc's CHRP,...)
        The system would consist of basic operations needed to rescue
        a system or boot up a new one, the like of edit, fdisk, filesystem
        operations (ls/dir, fdisk, cd, ...) an assembler or compiler, ...
        
        In an extreme case where all your software has gone corrupted,
        and you can't find any 3rd party to deliver you a new System,
        an experienced man, call him a software developer or programmer :)
        would have at least the possibility of bringing the machine again
        to work. This is not possible nowadays in existing PCs, because,
        although they have a low level system layer (Basic Input/Output
        System), they lack another level over it that provides basic
        maintenance applications.

        It is not meant to replace any existing Operating Systems,
        only to extend the all present PC BIOSes to be able to
        boot up a barebones machine.

        So this is my please to BIOS and motherboard facturers,
        but also to any hobbiests that like the idea.


        saludos,
                hermann samso


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From: "Wolfsbane2k" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Help: how do I get rid of these messages..... using Mandrake 8.0
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:26:51 +0100

Not sure about the rest, but to problem three (fs types), you need to
compile vfat support into the kernel,
found under
File Systems-> DOS  FAT fs support ->vfat.


Wolfsbane2k
Sarkie <((REMOVE the EXTRA , )) news@.pcav.com> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Problem 1.: modprobe: modprobe: Can't open dependenciefile
> /lib/modules/2.4.2-2/modules.de
>
> Problem 2 :l  ocalhost.localdomain - Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21:
> Address already in
>
> use ( I WANT TO GIVE IT A STATIC IP OF 10.0.0.1)
>
>
>
>
>
> Problem 3: May 21 08:34:42 localhost netfs: Mounting other filesystems:
> failed fs type vfat not supported by kernel
>
> I want to see my windows file systems, I was able to do so 3 re-installs
and
> 3 formats ago :)
>
> Please help me remedy these 3 problems
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich
>
>
>



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From: martin rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound Card
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:40:00 -0400

Shefali Joshi wrote:

> Hey!
>
> I have an ESS 1869 Sound Card, but the current kernel version (2.4.2)
> aparently supports only ES1868.
> Should I upgrade my kernel or should I just use the driver available
> right now?
>
> If I must upgrade my kernel, is it enough just to use newer patches?
>
> thanks.

I quick look around would seem to indicate it's supported, looks like by

the same driver as the 1868.

See:

http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/index.html



me.



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From: Markus Meitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ger.pc.hard,ger.pc.linux
Subject: Re: SCSI unter Linux mounten
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:04:19 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dirk Laurenz wrote:

> 
> Von: "Dirk Laurenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Betreff: SCSI unter Linux mounten
> Datum: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2001 18:27
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> wie kann ich unter Linux im Laufenden Betrieb
> Geräte nach mounten. Beispiel:
> 
> An meinem 2940 ist intern HDD (SYSTEM) und CDROM.
> Extern ist ein SCSI Gehäuse mit Wechsel und CDROM. Das Gehäuse ist
> nicht immer an. Unter Win musste man nur aktualisieren sagen, um die
> externen Geräte einzubinden. Wie mache ich das unter Linux?
> 
> MFG,
> 
> 
> D.Laurenz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
In diesem Fall muss der Treiber per

rmmod aic7xxx
modprobe aic7xxx

neu gestarted werden, danach ist alles verfügbar.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Majka)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.embedded
Subject: Serial port expansion board recommendation?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:13:19 -0500

Hi!

I'm looking for a PCI 8-port serial expansion card that supports
baud rates from 9600bps to at least 115.2kbps (preferably higher)
with linux drivers available.  Does anyone have a favorite vendor
for this type of card?  I looked at a couple vendors listed on
www.linux.org, but wanted to see what people have experience
with.

Thanks,

Matt Majka

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From: Roger Lindmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Add IDE CDRW to system with SCSI-host adapter AHA-1542
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:36:56 +0200

Young4ert wrote:

> You will need to configure your Linux kernel with SCSI emulation as shown
> below:
> 
> Under IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices:
> 
>         Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK Support                  [y]
>         Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM Support         [n] or [m]
>         Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE Support                  [n] or [m]
>         Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY Support                [n] or [m]
>         SCSI emulation support                          [y]
> 
> Then, under SCSI support:
> 
>         SCSI support                                    [y]
>         SCSI disk support                               [y]
>         SCSI tape support                               [m]
>         SCSI CDROM support                              [y]
>         SCSI generic support                            [y]
> 
> Then, download, compile, and install the cdrtools-1.9 package from:
> 
>         ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrtools
> 
> and the newest release xdroast package.  Read the CDRW-HOWTO to get a
> better understanding on how to configure your linux kernel.  The above
> setup is basically extracted from my linux kernel configure and may/not
> work on your machine.
> 
> Good luck.
> 

Thank you very much for your advice. I have recompiled the 2.4.4 kernel,as 
you adviced. I have in lilo.conf:
append="hdc=ide-scsi aha1542=0x130,11,4,5"
At reboot the scsi-card, CDRW and scanner is recognized:
This is from /var/log/dmesg:

SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
Configuring Adaptec (SCSI-ID 7) at IO:130, IRQ 10, DMA priority 7
scsi0 : Adaptec 1542
  Vendor: SCANNER   Model:                   Rev: 1.00
  Type:   Scanner                            ANSI SCSI revision: 01 CCS
scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
  Vendor: PHILIPS   Model: CDD3610 CD-R/RW   Rev: 3.01
  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 6x/6x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
Detected scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0, type 6

Scanner works with Xsane.
I can mount and access CDs from the CDrom object on the desktop.
I can configure XCDRoast, but when I click on burn CD this page is shown 
with all options, but the mouse pointers clock is constantly running and 
nothing more happens. If I kill XCDRoast, I later get a hard lockup of KDE 
and I have to use the reset button. 
I have made a dummy write from the commandline of CDRecord and it proceeded 
correctly, but after completion the mouse pointer freezes, but sometimes 
moves a bit. I had to use the reset button here too.

I have compiled CDRTools, but not XCDRoast as I got error messages and 
compilation was not possible

Sincerely Yours

Roger

-- 
Roger Lindmark
OS/2 Warp 4.06
RedHat 7.1

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From: "Ennio" <eiannucci@(do-not-disturb)tin.it>
Subject: Re: Linux: reduced capacity of my hard disk?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:31:08 GMT


"Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ead30$4tk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Good, then you can boot linux with the following parameters:
> > >
> > > linux hda=6704,15,63
> > >
Ok, I installed again Linux (Mandrake 7.2) on the disk whose capacity
I want to recover:
I forced Bios with the values 6704,15,63, LBA and 32 bit mode on;
then, at Lilo menu (boot:) I wrote <linux hdc = 6704,15,63>. The
procedure went on as usual. I logged in as root and then tried several
ways to find out the result:

/proc/ide/hdc/geometry said:
===================
access denied

Fdisk /dev/hdc said:
=============
the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4364
(sic!)......followed the story of beyond cyl 1024
the print partition command listed 15 - 63 - 4364 and warned about
partinioning errors.

/sbin/hdparm -g /dev/hdc said:
====================
geometry = 6704/15/63, sectors 4 124 736, start = 0

/sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hdc said:
====================
Model = FUJITSU MPC3032AT, FwdRev = 6021, SerialNo = 05828306
Config = [HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs]
RawCHS = 4092/16/63, TrkSize = 0, SectSize = 0, ECCbytes =4
BuffType = unknown, BuffSize = 0Kb, MaxMultSect = 16, MultSect =16
CurCHS = 4092/16/63, CurSects = 4124736, LBA = yes, LBA sects =
4124736
IORDY = yes, tPIO [min: 240, w/IORDY: 120], tDMA = [min: 120, rec:
120]
PIO modes: pio 0 pio 1 pio 2 pio 3 pio 4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2

/sbin/hdparm /dev/hdc said:
==================
/dev/hdc:

multcount         = 16 (on)
I/O support      =   0 (default 16-bit)
nnumaskirk       =   0 (off)
using_dma        =   1 (on)
keepsettings      =   0 (off)
nowerr              =   0 (off)
readonly            =   0 (off)
readahead         =   8 (on)
geometry           = 4092/16/63, sectors = 4124736, start = 0

[I thouth it was 32-bit, how can I set that???????????]


So, the problem is still there. I wrote again to Fujitsu to have their
suggestions.

One last doubt: while Linux was loading, among the various things
echoed on the screen I noticed something like:
                        autodetecting RAID arrays
Is this normal?

Ennio






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From: Xiaoqin Qiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI: aborting command due to timeout
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:52:53 -0700

Hi Joshua,

Thank you for your information. I checked my log file and found that the
aborting error messages are for scsi0  id 1 and id 5. I know the id 1 is a
hard disk and id 5 is a CD-ROM. And I also have another hard disk with id 0
which is in the same SCSI bus of the other two equipments. Does it mean both
id 1 and id 5 are dying? Or the controller has some problem? If the
controller has some problem, why there is no error message for id 0?

Is there any other way we can do some more investigation?

Thanks,

Xiaoqin

Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:

> Xiaoqin Qiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Recently we have a PC installed RedHat 6.2 with 2.2.14-5.0smp kernel
> > experiencing problems with SCSI. We have two SCSI hard disk in this
> > machine. The problem is sometimes the kernel falls into continuos loop
> > of messages like
>
> > May 22 07:34:49 asap kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout :
> > pid 14258, scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 Read (10) 00 00 31 d8 e0 00 00
> > 10 00
> *snip*
>
> More than likely, the disk at ID1 is dying.  There's also the laundry
> list of usual suspects -- check your termination, your cable length,
> etc.  It's also possible that the SCSI controller itself is dying.  Test
> the system with one drive in, then with the other.
>
> Oh, and backup while you can...
>
> --
> Joshua Baker-LePain
> Department of Biomedical Engineering
> Duke University


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From: "David Leblond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Logitech Quickcam Web USB
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:44:19 GMT

I have the Logitech Quickcam Web USB (the old square one if anyone cares)
and was wondering if there was a way to use it in Linux.  I have Linux
Mandrake 8.0 with kernel 2.4.4. I want to use it as a webcam eventually.
-David

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Ellis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Working on LinkSys Homelink HomePNA PCMCIA driver...
Date: 22 May 2001 15:02:11 -0700

I've been working on modifying the pcnet_cs PCMCIA driver so it will
enable home networking (HPNA 1.0) mode with the Linksys Homelink HPNA
PC Card (PCM100H1). There are few (if any) PCMCIA cards out there that
do HPNA 1.0 - and I'd really like to allow my RH7.1 laptop to connect
to my HomePNA network.
  The Linksys card uses AMD's PCnet-Home (Am79C978) chipset - the same
chipset used in many HPNA 1.0 PCI cards that can easily run under
Linux using the pcnet32 module. Enabling HPNA mode (instead of 10/100
Ethernet mode, which currently works fine with pcnet_cs btw) in the
chipset is easy - just set the last two bits of bus configuration
register 49. At the end of this message is a lil' code snippet showing
how this would work in WIO and DWIO mode. Alas, I've been unsuccessful
in modifying pcnet_cs to switch the PC Card from 10/100 mode to HPNA
1Mb mode. I don't know why, and I'm running out of ideas.
  If anyone could offer help or suggestions, I'd appreciate it. I've
been e-mailing Linksys but haven't heard a word from 'em. Also posted
messages to pcnet-cs.sourceforge.net but no one was able to help out.
If you need complete source or any questions answered, let me know.
  Thanks!

Enabling HomePNA:
#define PCNET_WIO_RAP   0x12
#define PCNET_WIO_BDP   0x16
#define PCNET_DWIO_RAP  0x14
#define PCNET_DWIO_BDP  0x1C

static void enable_wio_hpna (unsigned long ioaddr) {
    int media = 33025;  // Set the register to 1000000100000001
    outw (49, ioaddr+PCNET_WIO_RAP);
    outw (media, ioaddr+PCNET_WIO_BDP);
}

static void enable_dwio_hpna (unsigned long ioaddr) {
    int media = 33025; // Set the register to 1000000100000001
    outl (49, ioaddr+PCNET_DWIO_RAP);
    outl (media, ioaddr+PCNET_DWIO_BDP);
}

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From: Michael Gutbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AC97 Onboard Sound
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:02:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Markku Kolkka wrote:

> "Colin G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I'm in the market for a new motherboard and I'm seeing some with
>> onboard sound. For the most part these, the ones I'm seeing have an
>> "AC97" audio chipset.
> It's not really a specific chipset, but a specification by Intel for
> an audio codec interface
> (http://developer.intel.com/ial/scalableplatforms/audio/index.htm).
> There are several chips that implement the AC97 specification.
> 
>> How well supported is this chipset?
> 
> Depends on the actual chipset implementing the AC97 spec.
> 
>> I have a suspicion that
>> support for it is found in the Maestro/Maestro2 kernel modules.
>> True?
> 
> No. There are separate ac97 and ac97_codec modules that are loaded
> by the driver for the specific chipset you are using (e.g. es1371,
> via82cxxx_audio, etc.)

Some time ago I tested my onboard sound made by VIA with kernel 2.4.1 
(I can't correctly recall the version.). The module via82cxxx_audio 
worked with one exception: Always when my xmms played a new (mp3) 
song the card gave me an ugly "click" sound. Since I primarily use my 
SBLive! I didn't tested it with linux 2.4.4 which I use at the 
moment. As well as I remember two dsp devices worked. Since I don't 
know exactly I guess that these devices get assigned to the sound 
interfaces in the sequence as the corresponding modules are loaded.

Regards

Michael

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From: Norm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is sendmail?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:13:52 GMT

Lamar Thomas wrote:

> I am new to Linux and I am coming from the "Windows" world.  We are thinking
> about moving our "MS Exchange" e-mail server over to Linux and sendmail.
> Right now with "Exchange 5.5" we can do POP3, SMTP and Web e-mail access.
> Can we do any of this with sendmail?  If not, what do we need to make it
> happen?  We well be running RedHat 7.1.  Thanks for any input.
>
> Lamar

I would recommend postfix or Qmail. A webmail interface is at in the works for
postfix. I believe commercial webmail interfaces exist for Qmail. Sendmail is
hard to configure and has a not-so good security history.

http://www.qmail.org
http://www.postfix.org/
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/faqs/RH-postfix-FAQ/book1.html

You would probably like to know that HotMail is run mostly on Solaris
and FreeBSD using Qmail.

http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/
http://www.ugraf.com/unix-nt/jt/unix-nt.nob.html
http://www.bitwizard.nl/unixnt.html

The fact that MS is willing to admit that "Solaris is one of several
OS's being used" is enough to convince me that it is better since
a "wholesale migration to Windows NT server has not yet been
attempted". I would suspect this translates to "we tried it. It fell
on its face so we stuck with our 'Legacy system'." Yes Solaris
networking needs tuning, just like any other system. System
administration is more thatn just popping in a CD as MS would
like you to think.

http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/web/news/msnw/hotmail.asp?bPrint=True

http://aa11.cjb.net/sun_managers/1998/05/msg00148.html

Best Microsoft Quote ever:
Judy Gibbons, director of the Microsoft Network, was unaware of the
hardware behind Hotmail, but said:  "We looked at all the on-line mail
services and Hotmail was far and away the best. It has the most proven
and scalable architecture."

Oh, you might not want to cross post so much. Just posting to the
most relevant news group is preferred.

http://www.sunperf.com


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From: Mike Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I determine parallel port irq etc?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:13:55 GMT

How do I determine what my parallel port io and irq settings are?
I believe I can get them by rebooting and looking in the BIOS.. but I 
don't' want to reboot. Please tell me I don't have to for something
so simple!

Thanks for the Help!

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From: Timur Tabi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.setup.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Best 100Mbs PCI Ethernet card?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:29:27 -0500

I'm looking for a 100Mbs PCI Ethernet card for my box.  Requirements:

1. Fast and reliable hardware - no cost-saving short-cuts.  I.e. it
should support full-duplex, etc. 
2. Well-written drivers (OS/2 and Linux)

Preferably, it should also be supported by the default installations of
OS/2 Warp 4 and most recent Linux distributions.  I don't care about
Windows at all.

Does anyone have any recommendations?  Cost is not a factor.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Remove "nospam_" from email address before sending reply
Interactive Silicon - http://www.interactivesi.com

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From: Jerry Broszkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I determine parallel port irq etc?
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:34:31 GMT

Mike Martin wrote:
> 
> How do I determine what my parallel port io and irq settings are?
> I believe I can get them by rebooting and looking in the BIOS.. but I
> don't' want to reboot. Please tell me I don't have to for something
> so simple!

Try man proc at a command prompt
then cd to /proc and look at
ioports and interrupts.

HTH...
-- 
Take Care,
..jb

// Jerry Broszkowski // (403)245-5131 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] //

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Pushkarev)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: ATI Rage Fury Pro  and RedHat 7.1 incompatibility
Date: 22 May 2001 15:46:57 -0700

Hi there,

I am having problem installing video card
ATI Rage Fury Pro 32 Mb under RedHat 7.1

I use ASUS P4T motherboard with P4 1.7 Ghz CPU and
ViewSonic PS775 17" monitor.

During istallation from CD ROM the video card is 
recognised as generic one. After I pick from the 
list "ATI Rage FuryPRO AGP" card and my monitor, 
X-configuration test just brings black screen, then 
returns back to configuration page. After installation
is complete, I am not able to fire up X; screen blinks.

I also tried to skip X-configuration and configure
the system using Xconfigurator. It doesn't help either.

   Please help.

      Thanks, Andrei

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