On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote:

> If you only need basic HTML editing - Netscape composer and OpenOffice
> should both do the work pretty well.
>
> If you need something more advanced and/or you update your website alot then
> maybe you should use a content management system, such as Slashcode or
> PostNuke.
>

I think Slashcode or PostNuke would be an overkill for Muli's site, not to
mention that they require some server-side scripting capabilities. That
also rules out Zope.

There is a difference between a WYSIWYG HTML editor (e.g: Netscape
Composer) and a full-fledged content management system (e.g: FrontPage
or City-Desk). The first usually focuses on editing one page at a time,
while the other lets you manage an entire site with relative ease. From a
much earlier post by Eli Marmor, I gathered that all the other content
management systems, except FP and City-Desk were very pricey. And
those two are available only for Windows. But maybe there are some good
o-s site management tools around, by now.

Then there are HTML processors, which generate the site based on
user-given templates of some sort. I am particularily fond of
WebMetaLanguage, and am not familiar of any other system. (except ad-hoc
ones for presentations). WML processes a template file through 9 passes to
generate HTML. Still, most HTML will translate as is to it.

Muli, if you have an essential problem with working with an XML-based
format, I'm not sure how fond you'll be of WML. You can define tags that
accept your own custom format, which you think that is preferabble over
HTML, and then translate it into HTML. (one of the WML passes is ePerl)
This will require some hacking on your part.

What I do for my site, (which I admit is not a state of the art one) is
edit the HTML by hand using joe. I use very few and very basic common
formatting elements, in order to help me maintain it better. Part of the
reason that I don't use WML for it, is because I didn't usually have
enough space to keep the sources of the site. My site is usable, but could
look much better had I used a better tool.

For the IP-Noise Project I used WML with some help from GNU make:

http://comnet.technion.ac.il/~cn1w02/

( it has a moderate common look and feel about it)

I witnessed a discussion in the WML mailing list in which the maintainer
of WML commented that the XSLT transformations offer all the power of WML.
However, one should remember that XSLT is an XML-based programming
language. The idea of programming using those hideous XML tags, striked me
as non-scalable, so I doubt Muli will like it too much either. To use XSLT
one requires an XSLT preprocessor, or opt for supporting only browsers
that support them. (such as IE 5+ or the latest Mozillas)

Muli, if you want to hold a private correspondence about it, I'd be more
than glad to.

Regards,

        Shlomi Fish





 > Sagi
>
> > > > ObSignal: any advice for a person who hates writing html but wants
> > > > a convenient way to create a personal website?
> > >
> > > Is maintaining the page from a remote shell a requirement?
> >
> > not sure what you mean here. the page (several pages, actually) is
> > hosted on a remote machine and is updated via the 'tar; scp; untar'
> > method.
>
>
> Sagi
>
>
>
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