On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:01 +0000, Meir Kriheli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian is constatly falling behind and can't keep up with new software > releases You probably meant "Debian actually tests software packages before inflicting them on the users". Debian seems to manage to "keep up" quite well -- it's not a matter of a continously widening gap. Debian *means* to be be no less than a year between releases -- requiring people to upgrade early and often is stupid. > (not to mention months of freeze time when unstable is stopped from > being updated as well). ..and people who want the latest and greatest use experimental... > this is not a bad thing by itself, but usually when > someone runs unstable they do it because they want the latest and greatest. No, they do it because they want the latest *well tested* packages. > Now that there are unoffical kde-3 packages, where are the rest of the > distro's support. For example: there's and licq 1.2.0a release, and is in > unstable. Try installing it wih kde pure environemnt, no luck. It is built > against qt2. No qt3 plugin and no kde plugin supprt (which allows docking) > in > site. Those are the little things that make a distro polished. With Gentoo > it > is not a problem, Because Gentoo sends packages fresh from the upstream to the users without checking everything works together. Note the emphasis "works *together*". Gentoo still seems a collection of unrelated packages. > Package management is not that are and i handled even on LFS systems with > quite an ease. Bad package management is easy. Correct package management is non-trivial. > Seems like you never used Gentoo at all, and talking on from theory of how > you > think it works, and this is bad. You should at least give it a try for a week > or two before you assume things or pass judgment. You mean "compile it for a week or two, then try it for two hours"? For many of us, just seeing the lack of clue in gentoo about various issues (like library ABI) is enough. > Before/after the package is installed the ebuild can perform additional > operations like installing a menu file, restarting the daemon or what ever > (and many ebuilds do that). In which run-levels? When you emerge in run-level 1, do emerges of daemons cause the daemons to be up? Can you configure the system *not* to put daemons up before instructed to manually (so, for example, an insecurely configured daemon will not go up). > So what ? If I'm tracking unstable I want unstable and latest software, this > point is moot. "Unstable" means "changing", not "crashes". Learn to read. Debian aims (though it is not there yet) to be in a state where unstable is always ready to release. Gentoo, apparently, aims (and gets there) to be in a state where a stable release is an impossibility, and anybody developing for the platform has a crap-shoot of which versions are installed. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
