On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Aviram Jenik wrote:
> 
> > If instead of arguing you would have actually tried to find the cause of
> > the problem, you would have seen that both emails that continually
> > bounce are sent via the technion's mail gateway mailgw2.technion.ac.il.
> 
> Oh. That's an interesting "fact". I would "have seen" that the emails are
> bounced via the Technion's mailgw2.technion.ac.il. I have nothing to do
> with the Technion's mailing gateway systems, so it's interesting that you
> got to that conclusion.
[.. snip ..[

people, people, what's the matter with y'all? shouting at each other for 
no good reason. such a misunderstanding - as far as i saw in the headers 
of the bounces (i only looked at one of them), there was no information 
there that could point towards any bosmat servers. indeed, i have no idea 
where nadav came with that email address from - i erased all the redundant 
copies (and i see the bouncing has stopped by now) so i might have missed 
something.

now, if i may add constructive suggestions for next time (please don't get 
mad - i'm suggesting something practical - not "fair").

adir - if people get to such wonderous conclusions in the future, just 
state the fact that you looked at the mail headers, found nothing 
regarding those email addresses in them, and wonder where the original 
sender got this info from. you _almost_ did that, except for trying to 
explain why nadav's conclusion seemed to clash with the reality you see. 
think it over a bit - you might see what i mean.

and aviram - there's no need to jump to conclusions about what adir's role 
is. nothing in the letters he wrote implied he's in charge of the 
technion's mail gateway - he only responded to the email address issue 
that nadav brought up. true - adir's response _seemed_ to imply a fwe 
things - but mostly if it was read out of context, and still it probably 
did not warrant such a harsh response.

and i thought the heat wave is over by now ;)

i'd suggest that in the next occasion, we all try to read email letters in 
full, before we send such harsh messages to the list. will help to keep 
everyone's calm.

-- 
guy

"For world domination - press 1,
 or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy



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