On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:55, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > Gilboa Davara wrote on 2003-06-24: > > > On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:45, Eli Billauer wrote: > > > Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > > > > >Here's a couple. > > > > > > > >A. Development tools and workplaces: > > > >Low adaptation gives MS power to dictate *bad* (non)standards. MS-Word > > > >is not the real problem here; MFC, DirectX, Visual Basic, C#, etc are! > > > >As developers we are forced to use non standard closed tools and > > > >libraries that can be changed without notice by Microsoft. > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Agree, but not really relevant, is it? Developers are a small community, > > > which should indeed be exposed to Linux. As an Elec. Eng. I see several > > > tools running on Windows which were obviously developed under some UNIX > > > system. > > > > > > > Umm... > > But that's a chicken and an egg situation. > > If developers (specifically) and most other computer geeks are exposed > > to MS products and none other, what we've witnessed with Captain (yeah > > right) Internet will return ten fold... FUD o'plenty. > > In the long run this may kill the Open Source movement. (Let alone > > Linux). > > > Let me doubt the Captian being a programmer :-). I stipulate that the > percent of programmers exposed to unix is much higher than the percent > of users exposed to them. I'd guess that more than half of all > programmers in the world have written something for unix in their life > (God bless the universities ;). Granted, this depends on the > definition of "developer", I don't mean people after 3-month courses.
But the percentage is getting lower and lower. My guess it that in general close to 80% of the programmers getting out to the workforce today, will 'do' java/C#/VB most of their professional life... and with "design" (YUCK!) tools getting better and better, most developers are on their way to become (Winders only) apes. (And stupid ones. Heck, I heard some big chief from a big company a couple of weeks ago stating that "you can't write 'real' servers in C [C++?]... only in... wait... it's coming... VB.ant!" I pity the man working under this wastebasket) > > Now, do you remember your feeling when you had to use some MS > develoment tool (no matter which)? Compare that to the feeling of > using any linux development tool. There is precisely one reason for > Unix's outstanding success: it's an OS created by hackers, for > hackers. And it's almost perfect for them. MS can't compete with > that, no matter how hard it tries. Actually, I'm using GDB/DDD as I write this and I just wish someone would port the text mode Watcom debugger (DOS/Win/OS2) to Linux :-) Hey... But that's me... As for editor. Thank god, I don't see VI or Kate crashing on me every 5 seconds. (VC1.5/3/4/4.2/5/6 style) Gilboa ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
