On Tuesday 01 July 2003 15:18, Aviram Jenik wrote:
AJ>
AJ>(if my irony went undetected, I would really recommend against this
AJ>hair-triggered blocking system)
AJ>

Hmm, I am a big fan of constructive feedback. Don't we all?

AJ>"Idle scan" will actually work quite nicely here (I'm sure one of the
 servers AJ>written above has its idle moments), but that's not the way I
 would approach AJ>it as an attacker.
AJ>Your IDS will not block a simple connect scan (AFAIR snort does not save
AJ>packets and does not know that this is the 10,000th port in a row you are
AJ>trying to reach) and even if it would, it is usually possible to evade it 
AJ>by scanning slowly enough.


Well I'm not securing a corporate web server here, most probably if i were, 
I'd choose other means of security responce. Leaving it to professionals is 
always a good idea :)). This box is my networked workstation at home, and i 
don't have open server ports. I'm merely dealing with a number of script 
kiddies that think scanning and DOSing people they meet on IRC channels makes 
them all-powerful. If one of them is good enough to initiate an idle scan 
using my ISP's DNS servers (which i find rather difficult, it looks like they 
use these servers for a bunch of other network tasks around the clock) or 
even better, take over these servers, I'd let him scan my non-existant open 
ports till he drops his head on the keyboard. It's security against the 
effectiveness question...however I would like to hear your opinion about your 
choice of firewall/IDS for a home user, if you are already nailing me to the 
stake :)

-- 
Sincerely Yours,
Vasiliev Michael

NP: Enya - A Day Without Rain - 01 - A Day Without Rain


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