ביום שני, 29 בדצמבר 2003, 19:27, כתבת:
> On Monday 29 December 2003 18:31, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> > ביום שני, 29 בדצמבר 2003, 14:48, נכתב על ידי Oleg Kobets:
> > > An extremelly well written letter.
> >
> > actually I do not think so.
>
> Diego, for some reason all your posts here seem to be negative - what's
> going on with you? I know you're not a negative guy!
actually you don't, I am a very pessimist man. :(
I tend to look at a situation and assume the worst is going to happen. many 
times it does, and when it does not, I am prepared for this.

I am getting screwed by bezeq as we talk. if you want, I can tell you details. 
IMHO, we can all learn from this.

> > Do you expect some stupid secretary who read those faxes actually
> > understand what a "man in the middle" attack is?
>
> No, I don't think that was Shachar's intention.
>
> I read what Shachar wrote, and it reminded me of a conversation I had with
> another Yashir-Rishon customer several days ago. He had the same complaints
> (including the lack of Mozilla support, and the bad/stupid security
> issues). I imagine that Shachar and this guy are not the only 2 that think
> so.
exactly. read my original post. I assumed there are others.

> But what should be the right course of action? Should we say "oh damn, this
> bank is stupid" and ignore it? Or should we tell Yashir Rishon what the
> problem is, in as much detail as possible, like a responsible consumer
> should do?
of course not! as Bob Marley said it:

Get Up, Stand Up, stand up for your right 
Get Up, Stand Up, don't give up the fight

> Diego, did you expect Hayashir Harishon to contact you with telepathy and
> download your need with pppot? (ppp over telepathy, soon to be incorporated
> in kernel 2.8).
nice... do you think billieware supports it?
i dont see it supported under win2k :)

> > Shachar, face it you are screwed. I personally do not believe that they
> > will give you attention, just out of plain stupidity.
>
> Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If they won't (my friend heard the
> answer "you must upgrade your browser" and his reply was "I think I will
> upgrade my bank instead") than Shachar wasted his time. If they WILL, than
> Shachar did a huge favor for many open source people in Israel, and most
> important, he did a big favor to himself.
>
> In any event, I don't think Shachar is the one that is "screwed". It's
> Hayashir Harishon who is screwed, because they will soon stop enjoying
> Shachar's business (this is only an assumption, of course. I have no idea
> what Shachar's thoughts are on this). They will surely not enjoy *my*
> business in the short future, until they better their ways. This goes for
> anyone that I know and I can influence.

Eventually, they will be screwed, I agree, they are loosing costumers, as I 
already said, just because they are stupid. Until then Mr. Shemesh, cannot 
have the services that he had firmed with this bank. They still have a 
costumer, while he has a difunctional bank.

Real power mostly comes out of a ass of people. I can only quote myself again:
"And yes, you are right about all that you said. I assume some other folks 
here will be able to back you up, they need to help you with this fight. "

> Who's screwed now?...
>
> - Aviram

-- 

diego,

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html



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