Totally agree with every word. Yet my couple cents: The reason behind enforcing PPTP/PPPoE/PPPoA/L2TP/whatever tunnels is provisioning, accounting and QoS - all those can not be done to the satisfying extent when you are connected directly through DHCP.
When on DHCP, the ISP has no ability to identify and classify the client. Consider the following services that ISPs provide today: - Have not surfed ? Will not pay. (if the ISP can not identify the customer, the service will not be available to the end user) - QoS and prioritizing. With DHCP the ISP has no ability to treat each end connection separately and can only shape the traffic as a whole. - Have you considered the legal sides ? How can abuse department track down a customer with is abusing the net ? - How do you track a client which is spreading SPAM from his computer ? (no tunneling = no easy way to trace back the abuser) The list goes on and on. I do not work for ISP and I guess there are a lot of points I have missed. Guy On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 18:31, Ariel Biener wrote: > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Itamar Ravid wrote: > > > The point in this post - I was wondering if there is anyone here who connects > > directly using DHCP. Using the PPTP dialer slows my boot-process by ~15 seconds, > > since the PPTP tunnel apparently takes some time to be established. Also, if I > > wasn't using a GRE tunnel, my Netfilter matters would be less complicated. > > <sarcasm> > My my, 15 seconds delay at boot time !!! That must completely ruin your > computing experience, I say switch ISPs. > </sarcasm> > > Now with that out of the way, this complaint can clearly show you why the > Israeli customer is such an annoying one, never satisfied, always > bickering and complaining. > > Had you been in the US or even Europe, you'd be told the following: > > 1). We offer PPtP connections. > 2). We do not offer anything else. > > That response would be uniform across the board. > > You must understand that maintaining various ways of connecting means $$$ > for the ISPs, complicated procedures, both in Customer Support and network > maintennace, and other problems I am not going to go into. > > Since this "service" (DHCP direct) offers a minuscule advantage to you (15 > seconds shorter boot time, and one less iptables rule), I'd say that your > ISP is not being unfair to you. However, if you chose Ilya's (in a reply > mail to you) 1st point (threatening to leave), I believe you will be > unfair to them. Not that Israeli's care about others. > > --Ariel > > > > -- > > Regards, Itamar Ravid > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Ariel Biener > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html > > > ================================================================= > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
