Ido, The problem with asking people their opinions about UIs are multipl:
1. People tend to give a very wide spread of replies when it comes to UIs. The main reason is that we have different styles. 2. Veteran users are accustomed to some types of design but are flexible and are able to use any UI or no UI :). You have to discern them from most people who need intuitive UI design and don't even realize it. They are your true test subjects, not people like us heh.. 3. UI design is not specific to any desktop system but rather it's a set of concepts. It would be IMO wrong to compare KDE to GNOME, XFCE, XORG and the rest. What I think you should do is talk to people who haven't been around UIs for ages and ages. Use fresh people. And if there is one thing that MS does well is design UIs (altho when it comes to administration consoles they crap out). Normal MS applications have a great and intuitive UI. Follow their guidelines for those types of apps. Regards, Eli > Ami, > > In deed I have saw many of the guidelines. > Many of them does actually in use in my decision of things, but I found out > that many UI are placed more after industrial designers then the > guidelines, while I asking people to give me their opinions about UI and > how to make it better, many of their replays are much different then the > guidelines and implementation of the actual ui. > And that alto many of the basic needs of that people are the same with more > then 90% accurate. > > Thats of curse changes between the uses of the computer itself, for example > advanced users/developers have different approach then people who just > touched the computer for the first time. > > I found xfce/cde to be much more user friendly then the > "start/k/g/icewm/..." button... The "desktop" icons usually just make > things more problematic then helpfull.. (most people just insert everything > to the desktop in order to avoid the use of "start" like button, or to > search them on their OS for needed applications). > > I prefer things that comes from the learning curves of users then > information that come from people who decided that thats the only good way. > > But again, this guidelines are useful and gives a better view of what other > people (many of them have the position of creating/design ui), and > understand allot about the interface world :) > > Thank you for the links, and please feel free to donate your needs to my > research :) > > On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:56, Ami Chayun wrote: > > Ido, > > There are several very mature references you should consider to inlcude > > in your study: > > > > Usable GUI Design: http://benroe.com/files/gui.html > > > > GNOME Human Interface Guidelines: > > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/ > > > > Apple Human Interface Guidelines: > > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/HIGuidelines/HIGuidelines-2. > >html > > > > Java Look and Feel Design Guidelines: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jlf/ed1/dg/index.htm > > > > I find all these guidelines very useful, regardless to the platform the > > authors intended. > > > > On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:08, ik wrote: > > > Hi list, > > > > > > I'm trying to find ways to create some unbounded "standard" that will > > > give developers a clue of how to approach the creation and design of > > > user interfaces. This attempts started few years ago, and now I'm > > > starting to go one step further and to start to see what other users > > > see as good, bad and what they would prefer to see as a ui. > > > > > > Please note, that there is no "right" answer... and there is no perfect > > > ui, but I wish to draw a type of line that will give more clues about > > > it. > > > > > > I have written more detailed information at > > > http://linmagazine.co.il/node/view/5833, but for non Hebrew users, Just > > > remember don't tell me "I like KDE" or "I like GNOME" etc.. but tell me > > > what you like in it.. The same for any other type of program (not only > > > Window/Desktop managers). > > > > > > You can post this information (you can break it to many emails as well > > > IE not right away to write every thing..) to > > > > > > idokan at gmail.com > > > > > > The subject must be: What I'm looking for on UI that does not exists > > > > > > Thank you very much for any help on that matter, > > > > > > Ido > > Ido -- Eli Kara Beyond Security Ltd. http://www.beyondsecurity.com/ http://www.securiteam.com/ The First Integrated Network and Web Application Vulnerability Scanner: http://www.beyondsecurity.com/webscan-wp.pdf ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
