On Friday 20 May 2005 13:19, you wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > >What's an IPIGgie? > > Sorry for inventing acronyms on you without giving enough clues. > > PIGgies is a nickname for (one) common name convention for local > Python-Interest-Groups. > It's generally *PIG* with extra letters added to refer to your locality. >
OK. > >>* python_mod-enabled Apache server would be best. > >>* A wiki (preferably MoinMoin). > >>* Support for posting/forum-management > >>* Hebrew. > > > >Bleh... why not simply static HTML? Or at most a MediaWiki? MoinMoin is a > > bit hard to set up, and I like TWiki (which is very hard to set up and > > has awful code and some idionsyncracies), and MediaWiki (which is > > incredibly easy to set up, with excellent i18n, and lots of nice > > features) much better. I don't suppose it's necessary for a Python site > > to be pure-Python, right? With some > > In fact I've done quite a lot of static HTML (using Emacs) in my days > (even a bit of cgi using python), but was superseded by more "modern" > fashions. Well, you don't need server-generated HTML to have a common look and feel, a navigation menu, etc. You can do it by generating the site from templates as I do in my Latemp-based sites: http://web-cpan.berlios.de/latemp/examples/ And other do using plain Web Meta Language, Template-Toolkit, HTML-Template, a custom Perl/Python/whatever CMS for static HTML, etc. If you don't need comments, a web-interface to modify the content, or other changes that users of your site can do, then static HTML is definetely an option. It's faster and safer than server-side generated HTML, and sometimes is the right option, possibly with some isolated CGI scripts here and there. > Personally I would rather people concentrate on contents than shiny > widgets, but we should appeal to the larger community, which seem to > include many young enthusiastic people that care about graphic design > and website technology (much more than I do, at least). We can have great content along with a lot of shiny pages. CSS and possibly some bits of JavaScript and DOM are the way to go here. > > Note that as opposed to many other new technologies, I do support Wiki > - and that's because it makes the authors focus on contents, and leaves > the 'programming type' work to the system/site maintainer. OK. > > About python technology (e.g. MoinMoin) - as I said, I completely agree > that there's no need to make the site pure-python. Good. > > But - I believe it would be in everyone's interest if in time we pass as > much as possible of the site's (co-)management tasks to "real python > enthusiasts". > By definition, there's a single common denominator to these people - > they like Python. > If we want such people to volonteer, we should have as much python > technology enabled as possible (e.g. - site co-maintainers might wish to > configure & extend the wiki engine - in MoinMoin that's naturally done > using python). > I believe that this is well worth the extra setup trouble. Right. But you can also extend MediaWiki by calling a Python script which will spit its output. MoinMoin is somewhat painful to install, and I like its look and feel much less than MediaWiki's. There's also Kwiki which is a highly extensible and modular wiki written in Perl, but its main problem is that its default syntax is incredibly lame and limiting. Maybe it has a plug-in for a subset (or the whole) of the MediaWiki syntax. > > > DNS help I can setup python.iglu.org.il. or python.linux.org.il, or > >python.hackers.org.il on eskimo. > > That would be nice. > But I'd rather you considered a python-based wiki after all. If someone volunteers to install MoinMoin or whatever and administer it, I'll gladly give him an under-privileged account. However, this probably has to be done after the upgrade to Sarge. > > I know some people who successfuly set up a MoinMoin wiki (reasonable > hebrew support) on our intranet. > I'll talk to them on Sunday, but I'm willing to help setting this up > myself if you have any trouble. > OK. > >Note that I can do all that once eskimo (= iglu.org.il) is upgraded to > > Sarge. Until then while it's still on Woody it would be quite > > problematic. > > > >Another note is that unless someone volunteers to code the site, and show > > me some stuff, I'd rather not use Python for that. > > As I said - fine by me. > If you setup a site, and no one else chips in I might provide some > (static) contents (sigh... more 3am work - I see it coming...) OK. Regards, Shlomi Fish --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.shlomifish.org/ Tcl is LISP on drugs. Using strings instead of S-expressions for closures is Evil with one of those gigantic E's you can find at the beginning of paragraphs. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
