On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 05:41:00PM +0300, Herouth Maoz wrote:
> Quoting Oded Arbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > OTOH, if you switch to Hebrew, and then use the X's group switching
> > shortcut to change to English, the kxkb tray indicator stays in Hebrew
> > mode saying you are using the Hebrew layout which means diddly squat to
> > what language you are actually typing.
> > I personally find this annoying.

Which is a bug of kxkb. Any decent keyboard indicator will indicate such
a change. With kxkb you're doomed to work with it and it alone rather
than with the standard way. 

> 
> I really like the kxkb behavior. 

Of doing extra unnecessary work just to change the keyoard layout
becasue they were too lazy to adapt to the X way?

> I don't switch to English using the arcane X
> method. I mapped the keyboard switching to an easily-accessible function key
> (why people prefer pressing two keys together is beyond me), 

Because there aren't too many availble modifiers. And because I have a
different modifier for casual "shifting".

My settings: 

  grp:shift_toggle,grp:win_switch

What do you use to switch languages?

> and I use it to
> switch layouts, and have visual feedback at the bottom. And you can get the
> variant of your choice for Nikud (I use LyX), using simple shift. 

Again, grp:win_switch. The shift key has its uses in both the Hebrew and 

> Also, I use
> Dvorak as my main (English) layout, but I still have the US keyboard layout in
> the menu, in case I want someone to use my computer.

Well, it is important to be able to change the keyboard layout with the
mouse in case you've messed it. Alternatively, run 'DISPLAY=:0 setkxbmap'
from the console.

> 
> In short, if you just get used to switching layouts, it works perfectly, and 
> you
> can have variants in the layout you switch to.
> 
> And I've been using application-based keyboard switching myself. Window-based 
> is
> too fine for me - I want the next chat in Kopete to still have the Hebrew
> keyboard on even if I closed the chat window. I have a majority of
> Hebrew-speakers on my ICQ/MSN list. But when I switch to Konsole it's English
> again. Too bad there is no way for Firefox to understand how to switch the
> keyboard by context...

This is totally irrelevant: this part means that the window manager uses
the layout switching method. However kxkb's switching method takes more
actions and is thus less appropriate for per-window mappings and such.

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