Quoting Eli Marmor, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: > Ira Abramov wrote: > > > The Linux Users' group is a similar initiative (though if memory serves > > it's less tightly affiliated with P&C, it's a joint marketing gimmick of > > Sun, SGI, IBM, Emet and a few others where the "users" in the title actually > > You forgot Oracle, the life and the soul behind this organization.
Cynical remark of the year award? :-) > > means "companies that try to make a few more thousand dollars by waving > > To the best of my knowledge, they PAY a few more thousand Dollars, > rather than MAKE them. But this is only my own opinion. well, then you have to ask yourself WHY they keep doing it for several years now. there's a chasm to cross here (pardon my new Marketoid Jargon) and even the biggest players in the market can't make the market's majority join in, so what gives? > > a tux flag". In fact, AFAIK the only member of the community that ever > > witnessed one of their meetings (were there more than one?) Is Shachar > > Shemesh, > > And Doron Ofek. > And Eli Marmor. > And some others. > ^^^^ > s/some/many - if you use the language "ever witnessed one of their > meetings" (Yonatan Ben-Avraham, Shlomi Fish, etc., to name some > "witnesses"). OK, I stand corrected. That does not change the fact it's a marketing co-op and not a not a USER group! At least not more than in the sense that Oracle is Using Linux to sell more products and break away from Microsoft dependency. > In the last two conferences, there were about 18 lectures of members of > the community, while Oracle and P&C, together, had one or zero. > > In the first conference, there was a plenary, and 4 sessions; 3 of the > 4 (IIRC) were directed by members of the community, and most of the > lecturers were members of the community. All of the 7 lecturers and > panelists in the session that I directed were of the community. well, I won't argue here. community people donated their time and patience to give substance to an otherwise marketing-only conference. The ad this year says the speakers are Ness (who are trying to start a Linux department with some difficulty), Pini from STKI (who can mostly only quote the needs of Enterprise IT in Israel, because those are his clients), and Doron Ofek as the soul "fig leaf" of tech content. As I said before, I'll be speaking there too and I am paying dearly from my department's budget for 20 minutes on the podium. I want to use that to push my company, because that's my job there, and on the other hand as a community member I want to add some content to the event, however with barely 20 minutes, I am going to have to make some major concessions. > In the meantime between the conferences, there were 4 meetings of > KAHAT, three of them directed by members of the community (me, and > Gilad and Shachar IIRC. Actually, even the fourth - Zvi Bruner - is far > from being called "non-member"). > > Except for these narrow minded fixes, I agree. well, those are my points exactly, all the sessions you counted were a mini-confference by itself, organized by the community, and not anything to do with the marketoid "ilug" -- Common people Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
