Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 20 Oct: > >>On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 05:15:38PM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: >> >> >>>(b) I don't want to be identified in any way shape or form with the image of >>>a >>>Haredi, Orthodox Jewish family. It contradicts my deepest values. >> >>I guess you won't be too fond of this one, then... http://jewishgeeks.net/ > > > nope, nor do I really see the point in Wikipedia's entries of "List of > Jewish Actors" and "List of Jewish Americans" (and several others) > unless there were lists of Catholic, Protestant, German, Irish, Spanish, > Italian etc. listed in the same way, but they are not. those lists were > pulled off JewWatch and are serving the wrong purpose. > > I'll leave out the discussion of Haredi Penguins and how > anthropomorphising is rediculous in this contents and so un-Jewish to > do, I'll just mention the issue of Israel being made up of 15% > non-Jews and some of them are on this list and in our community. > > But my main problem is that between my view on the FOSS world, with its > openness and freedom of choice, and my impression of religious > seperatism and world view that fears change and individualism (even if > it has many other good sides), It just does not seem right to borrow > imagery from that associacion world into this group. > > That, plus as Herouth said, It does not repersent me personally, nor do > I want it to represent my nationality, and definitely not my choice of > group affiliation. I don't dress that way, I don't think that way, and > If you want to go further into the discussion, Many Haredim are > anti-Zionists, some go as far as to not acknowledging the legitimacy of > a secular state of Israel (which Egypt, Pakistan and Palestine already > have), so being a zionist, a free man and a free thinker, I don't want > those symbols on a group that advocates freedom of speach and action. >
So, first of all... Free your mind, take everything easier and with a dose of HUMOR... Firstly, making a sketch we even didn't have a thought to use it in any orthodox server and so on. I really thought that people will understand the comic situation. Hardly there's a sense of thinking if the OS is kosher or non-kosher product. And I even didn't want to start discussion about “what is Israeli and what's not”. It really seemed curious and original to create a penguin orthodox family and that's all. Yeah, the next sketch will be the penguin in the IDF form who will personify the safety and security (and not “nahishut” and “ragishut”). After all these messages in the thread I start doubting the idea by itself – wow, I shouldn't touch one more sacred cow... The third work will be penguins with blue and orange stripes... One will wear the T-shirt “Merets” and the other one – orange T-shirt with the words “Jehudi ljo megaresh Jehudi”. In the middle there will be the words: “OS which fits everyone” or something like “OS which everyone can customize for himself”... Hope it won't be rated as trying to make a political tensity in Israel... If to look though the commercials – there are several layers in Israel a concrete commercial or action is pointed at... there are such layers as indigenous Israelis, orthodoxes, Russians, Arabs and so on. If you need an example, so, turn on Channel 9 (Russian-speaking Israeli Channel) and watch the commercials which constructively differ from the same ones on Channel 2... Go to any orthodox block and have a look at Big-Boards – all the women on them are wearing closed wear. I mean that the same products are being sold in different ways and the commercial is just directed to a concrete layer in society. But making the sketch we were thinking not about it!!! I repeat you once again: Don't take it hard, have a sense of humor. P.S. I beg to abstain from any comments connected to the layers of Israeli society there are places which fit more then this one for such kinds of comments. (Need a link??? Try Google :) ) -- Regards, Gregory Man PGP public key: http://keyserver.kjsl.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE5043B53 ------------------------------------------ ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
