Hi Gilboa,
Is there a reason why you didn't include Linux-IL in your E-mail?
Please see my answers below.
Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:25 +0200, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
[Sorry I reply only now. I didn't notice your message]
Gilboa Davara wrote:
Umm...
I'm not saying that Google is not a monopoly.
I am saying that they are no-where near Microsoft.
OK, I agree. But they become more and more like Microsoft every year.
Hiring people who formerly worked at Microsoft is a good start. If they
don't want to be like Microsoft, they shouldn't hire people who worked
there.
Huh?
This is a bit harsh, don't you think?
As evil as Microsoft is, people tend to work somewhere because it:
A. Give them job security.
B. They need the money.
C. They want an interesting job.
D. They want to be a part of an evil empire.
Somehow, I doubt that D is the main reason for employment @Microsoft.
People who worked at Microsoft are not members of the Nazi party... They
shouldn't be executed in the city square.
I don't like monopolies and I don't like people who work for them.
Here is my common sense:
- Company C is doing something evil.
- X works for company C.
- Then X is evil!
Same goes, for example, with the Israeli Army. That's why I think
people should refuse to serve there.
Come on...!
But:
A. Google service is free. No-one is forcing you to use it. Microsoft
is, essentially forcing you to use their service. (DRM sounds familiar?)
I agree Microsoft is more aggressive. But also with Google, it's very
difficult to avoid them. For example, with Adwords and Adsense - there
is almost no competition. With Gmail too. And even if you don't use
Gmail, your E-mail messages can be stored in their service if you send
mail to people who use Gmail. And there are many of them.
In short, you are saying the Gmail is too good, and should should be
banned for it?
I thought that we use Linux because it is better and because it gives us
freedom that is sourly lacked in anything-Microsoft. Am I wrong?
Not to speak about their search engine, of course, which has no real
competition. They are a monopoly.
B. Altavista search engine is as good as google. (Though their interface
stinks.)
I checked it now (after years of not using Altavista) and came to the
ultimate conclusion: Altavista sucks! I searched for "Speedy Composer",
"Speedy Whois" and "Speedy Net" and didn't get the same answer I get
with Google (as the first result). Assuming that the Google answer is
what I am looking for (which is), I don't see any reason why to use
Altavista. Not to mention that the sponsored links look exactly like
the search engine results - it's very hard to distinguish between them.
So again.
Google doesn't hide its ads.
It gives better results.
Lets ban it?
P.S. I checked and even Yahoo search is better than Altavista. But not
as good as Google.
See above.
C. Lock in? How can google lock someone? If their prices will be too
high, people will go elsewhere. (MSN?, Altavista? Yahoo?)
Not true with monopolies. Remember that the search engine users don't
pay anything, and the advertisers need these people. But it's not only
about price, it's about customer support. Their customer support sucks.
Don't use it.
Microsoft gives sucky OSs, lousy supports, but get away with it due to
lock in.
By your own words, Google gives the best search engine, the best mail
client and doesn't have any kind of lock-in (beside being the best) and
should be banned for it?
I didn't say ban Google. But we should be aware of it. They are
becoming more and more like Microsoft every day.
D. As for Gmail: Yahoo mail? HotMail? Heck, walla.co.il mail? Anything
rings a bell?
E. Please supply one anti-trust case and/or one major IP case that
Google settles just to stay afloat.
When google starts stealing code from Altavista and other search
engines, start creating their "own" non-compatible HTML code, force you
to install software just to use their service that costs shit-load of
money while neglecting to fix bugs in said software and use their
billion of $$$ to block countless anti-trust court-cases and/or
legislations, then and only then, I'll find your Google is the next
Microsoft call will seem less absurd.
Didn't you hear what they do in China? They block websites which the
Chinese government don't like. But that's just one example. Believe me,
in a few years you will not distinguish between Google and Microsoft.
It's the law of monopolies (whenever there is a monopoly, prices go up
and service go down. They always use their power to increase market
share in markets where they are not yet monopolies).
The China thingie is annoything, but I would have done the same if I was
Google.
Starting a war with the soon-to-be-the-biggest-economy in the world, is
stupid.
The people of China want freedom, well, start fighting for one.
Don't ask Google to do your dirty work for you.
I expect Google, as any company from a democratic country, to support
democracy in other countries and resist oppression. Again, my logic is:
if you help somebody evil do something evil - you're evil!
As being as bad as Microsoft, well, you may be right.
But this is the future. You cannot convict someone on crimes he /may/
commit in the future.
That's true. But I'm not speaking about convicting them. We should be
aware of them!
Uri.
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Website: www.uri.co.il
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