Avraham Rosenberg wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 04:50:59PM +0300, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
>
>> To avoid trouble, I try to run everything in the pure 64 environment,
>> with minimal stuff on the 32bit chroot.
>> Can you give the specific reasons why you need these apps to be 32bit?
>>
>> ImageJ: Can't it run on a 64bit Java (isn't Sun's Java available for 64
>> bit Linux?, can ImageJ run on gcc's gij)?
>>
>>
> Sure. After reading your letter I downloaded and installed Sun's
> 64-bit Java. Works fine. Thanks. The problem with the 32-bit
> version of java was that I could not start Imagej from within the
> 64-bit environement, probably because it is started by a script.
>
>> xv: AFAIK this comes with sources. Did not try compiling it myself but
>> I guess it should have no trouble compiling for 64bit. (I'm almost
>> certain I've used xv on a 64bit IRIX machine some years ago).
>>
>>
> Sometime in the past, I tried to build xv and had some problem. I
> was therefore very happy to find this unoficial deb. As I intend
> to use it with octave -which is available in 64-bit version- I'll
> probably overcome my lazyness and try again. For the moment it
> works well in the chroot environement.
>
If you do, let us know. People might wish to create deb/rpm of it (for
debian, it could probably be provided "officially" in the non-free section).
>> Opera: I don't know the browser, but I do use 32bit firefox (for the
>> proprietary binary plugins...). I guess similiar reasoning apply to Opera.
>>
>>
> I started using opera because, on my old system, mozilla took a
> looong time to start. But, besides that, (please corect me if I am unfair
> to mozilla) it has good automatic recognition of the Hebrew UTF8 character
> set. Israeli sites, especially bezeqint's my-mail.co.il look cleaner on
> opera than in mozilla.
>
>> Other stuff I have on the 32bit chroot:
>> OpenOffice (I'm not sure of the reasons, but it seems that the 64bit
>> debian packages are not ready yet), and all of it's dependencies.
>> Acrobat Reader, printer driver for my old Lexmark, and mplayer (again,
>> for the proprietary win32 codecs).
>>
> I do not use Open Office and Acrobat Reader (I have xpdf in
> 64-bit version). My old Panasonic-XP1123 dot-matrix printer works
> happily with 64-bit cups.
>
xpdf: evince & ggv also work fine, usually, but each has it's own
problems (unrelated to bitness).
Some have problems with math fonts or antialiasing, some are not
searchable, some had probs with displaying slides correctly.
A quick check shows that recent xpdf behaves quite well, but I see no
option to jump between fullscreen and window mode, and no visual "page
thumbnail" navigation, so acroread is probably still better for
presentations...
OpenOffice: currently the best way to read all those MS-Office files
that people insist on sending me for some reason...
Good to hear your'e doing better in the printer department :-)
>> (use "/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list java" in the two environments)
>>
> I think this can work only with stuff installed through the
> debian pkg system. Is java available as a debian package?
>
>
Some implementation of it...
"apt-cache search java-runtime" shows: gij, kaffe, and sablevm
So far the (little) I used worked fine with gij.
For Sun's Java: there's the "java-package" package, which should help
you build your own deb automatically from Sun's binaries.
I suppose if it does the packaging right it should provide the
"java-runtime" virtual package and the proper "alternatives" configuration.
> Apart those, the only important files I saw in the chroot
> package, which were not available on the a-64 system were some
> facilities for deiting graphics and converting graphic file
> formats. The only ones of immediate interest were xfig and
> transfig. At least xfig can be operated from within the 64-bit
> environement. I did not try transfig yet.
>
>
xfig is available in the amd64 distros (both testing and unstable), and
works fine for me in 64 bit (Just don't try to draw circular arcs using
the new "center-point" method - it crashes, don't know if this bug
exists also in the 32bit version).
transfig is also installed 64 bit here, but I never tried it too (export
option from the xfig GUI works fine for me).
For converting image formats, ImageMagick's "convert" and Gimp's "save
as" do a very good job. I also use gthumb for browsing and converting
large photo collections (all work very well in amd64 mode).
Regards,
Amit
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