Shachar explained it better then I could, but I'll try anyway... On Thursday, 7 בSeptember 2006 11:35, Ira Abramov wrote: > In fact, if I was to attend a job interview where my certificates of > lack therof had more weight to consider my employment than my > professional experiance, I can safely say it's probably not the kind of > place I'd want to work for anyway.
Exactly. The certification systems are all about judging employees about how professional they *seem* and not about how professional they *are*. The only FOSS related thing is the attitude: - How many time you see the PR-spin about the new, shiny, fantastic, professional, innovative new software when only the poor sods who had to write this proprietary software under impossible deadlines and fuzzy marketing specifications know the truth? - OTOH, when somebody tries to spin it in the FOSS world (and it happens every once in a while), you normally have a bunch of party busters calling -- "Show me the source" (party is over now ;-) So a culture that respect the kids who call "The king is naked" does not like to participate in a game of masks. > ... my bosses considered sending me to such a course to get a certificate > so THEY can market their company ... > it's HIS marketing decision and investment. That's OK on your personal level. But is this the standard we are striving for? > talented people are rarely in a disadvantage with smart employers. let > the stupid employer keep his untalented work force... He deserves > nothing less. Sure (and we can send them some "Malachei Sharet" to help them ;-) > his manager should give him a bonus for excellent marketing... Actually, that's very bad marketing. Companies have *abused* so much these techniques that most people simply wait for the babbler to go mind his own business and not waste their time. > it's what happens when you enter the corporate world. I have a > friend ... but if he won't take a bagrut exam in TANACH and > literature, he can't get the job. As you said earlier: "let the stupid employer keep his untalented work force... " > and yet you went to the Technion instead of reading the books at home, We all do hope that the Technion give you a little bit more than "certify" that you have read the right books... A disclaimer: I am training for many years the corporate world in all aspects of Unix/Linux systems, so I am quite familiar with the "driving forces" you mentioned. Luckily, all the courses I gave (sys-admin, net-admin, kernel, Perl, what'snot) where not certification oriented, but rather knowledge oriented. This way I know that most of my students actually came for *learning*. -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 Some people claim that the UNIX learning curve is steep, but at least you only have to climb it once ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
