Hello Jonathan, So it looks as the problem is with some clueless webmasters and programmers.
I am already working with such webmaster on one big site (pointing out problems with javascript). They are open for suggestion and already implemented several changes I proposed. Do you or somebody else know contact details of any of such "receptive" webmasters? I, for one, volunteer to contact and "handle with care" such webmasters. To avoid Microsoft guys hijacking the effort, handle the contact data and website info only to peoples you trust. -- Arieh On 3/30/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Gil, Most Israeli government IT departments are staffed by outsourced employees (Matrix/Ness/Team/Taldor/Unique and many others you have never heard of) working in the various ministries. These people do the IT infrastructure for the ministries and work within the ministry organizational structure as if they were ministry employees. The ministry builds the websites using these employees. The ministries do not in general publish tenders for websites, they publish tenders for outsourced employees with a maximum per hour rate that ensures that they will in general not get any really qualified employees. Despite this, there are in fact a few highly qualified and highly experienced IT professionals in the ministries working through the outsourcing companies. These are people who: 1. Want the experience of working in a particular ministry or project 2. Are not motivated by higher salary 3. Do not want the start-up/"high tech" corporate culture 4. Want to work close to home 5. Are motivated by idealism The problem is that there are few of these people and they are not calling the shots. - yba On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Gil Freund wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:41:12 +0200 > From: Gil Freund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Linux-IL <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Misrad HaPnim on Iceweasel 2.0.0.3 > > On 3/29/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Chaim, >> Iriat Yerushalayim seems to have the same problem. >> I suggest that you send a letter to Itzik Cohen at the office of the >> Hashav HaClali in the MoF. He is aware of the problem and is sympathetic. >> >> The root of the problem is that each government ministry controls it's >> own web site with great jealously and uses the cheapest personnel possible >> for building the sites. From here to IE only websites is a very short >> distance. Note that they use the cheapest possible personnel, not that >> they spend the least on building the sites. This is because the tenders >> (michrazim) are for the personnel, not for the sites. The sites themselves >> are probably more expensive to build and less functional that they might >> be if they were built by tender. > > Can you elaborate? I didn't understand. Who actually builds the sites? > >> Regards, >> >> - yba >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: >> >> > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:45:32 +0200 >> > From: Chaim Keren Tzion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: Linux-IL <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Misrad HaPnim on Iceweasel 2.0.0.3 >> > >> > The Misrad HaPnim site seems not to support firefox. >> > http://www.pnim.gov.il/ >> > >> > The entire site shows up crunched into a 4cm high area. Most of the text >> is >> > visible in a small scrollbar area. The footer is not visible. >> > >> > I would like to know if anyone else has these problems with the site >> using >> > Firefox. And if there is anyone to complain to. Shouldn't the Gov. not be >> > party to supporting monopolistic behavior? >> > >> > Chaim >> > >> > ================================================================= >> > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >> > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >> > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> >> -- >> EE 77 7F 30 4A 64 2E C5 83 5F E7 49 A6 82 29 BA ~. .~ Tk Open >> Systems >> =}------------------------------------------------ooO--U--Ooo------------{= >> - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tel: +972.2.679.5364, http://www.tkos.co.il - >> >> ================================================================= >> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > -- EE 77 7F 30 4A 64 2E C5 83 5F E7 49 A6 82 29 BA ~. .~ Tk Open Systems =}------------------------------------------------ooO--U--Ooo------------{= - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tel: +972.2.679.5364, http://www.tkos.co.il - ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Arieh
