We are talking about a very lengthy focus group and marketing research effort, not about springing a new feature on the unsuspecting bidi public.

B.C. Beck at Sun and Doug Felt at IBM implemented bidi supoprt in the ICU and Java Swing respectively based on requirements provided by me and Isam Abuteir. That was a four-year effort.

 - yba


On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Omer Zak wrote:

Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:23:57 +0200
From: Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: linux-il <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

Another point which I forgot to mention in my previous E-mail about the
subject:
I urge everyone to consider carefully changes in the look and feel in
this area.  Especially if Brian Beck is not a regular Hebrew user.

I still remember the debacle in one of the versions of AbiWord few years
ago.  One day, someone with good intentions implemented a feature in
AbiWord, which caused Hebrew letters at word ends to automatically
assume their final form, if they had any - like in Arabic.

The problem was that unlike Arabic, in Hebrew there are cases in which
one wants to leave a letter in word's end at its non-final form (for
example, in acronyms).  Due to this, the "feature" ironically rendered
that particular version of AbiWord unusable for Hebrew wordprocessing.
After outcry, the "feature" was removed.

The feature implementor did not take into account the fact that in
Hebrew, the 5 final form letters have their own code points and their
own keys in the keyboard and people are already used to type them at
word ends.

Unlike Jonathan (who at least asked us), the guy (whom I'm leaving
unnamed) sinned in not first asking actual Hebrew users about the
potential utility of the "feature".
                                        --- Omer


On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 19:13 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
Hello Jonathan,
I think that visual caret motion with logical selection is the best
approach.  I do not see visual selection as an useful feature at all (at
least if it means what I understand it to mean).



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