Shlomi, I really don't want to flame you or anyone else, I am a more junior member of this list. However I am on this list to see things about *nix related technology in Israel and during some periods also looking for jobs (be it for myself or for friends). Your e-mail is not "Slightly OT" it's squarely OT, we aren't here to discuss philosophy, stand up comedy/philosophy or even to discuss "real problems in the software industry" through fiction.
I could understand it if one of our member actually got turned down or something like that for bad reason that they may have wanted to blow of steam (though I think it would be very unwise since any potential future employer may see the mail too) and started a discussion about some problem or other (marked as OT) but this is not that. Though I found the originally posted story mildly entertaining in the end of the day I am not on this list to be entertained, I have other sources for that, I am on this list to educate and be educated, to help and be helped in the area of *nix and *nix related technologies. I am sure there are lists out there that appreciate the type of posts you have been making a lot recently, but I doubt it's linux-il, if you do choose to continue posting please mark as OT. Regards and שבת שלום, Eliyahu - אליהו 2014-07-11 10:17 GMT+03:00 Amos Shapira <[email protected]>: > https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1366510848/h28F3DD64/ > > > On 11 July 2014 16:34, Shlomi Fish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Dan, >> >> thanks for clarifying your position. Let me reply. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Dan Yasny <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Shlomi Fish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. What makes you feel this is "spam"? I don't see it as unoslicited >>>> bulk E-mail. >>>> >>> >>> Any email sent to a list is "bulk". And I didn't, in any way, solicit >>> this Emma Watson bs, nor your pleas for funding or support. >>> >> >> In this case, I may well as argue that a job offer for a Java Enterprise >> software developer with 5 years of experience in Java sent to this list is >> spam as well, because: 1. It's bulk. 2. I didn't solicit it nor am >> interested in it. But I don't argue that is the case. >> >> >> >>> The very least you could do, out of common courtesy (I really hope you >>> know what that is) is mark your email as offtopic, you know, like everyone >>> in every other LUG does, with the [OT] marker in the subject? >>> >> >> I don't feel it is offtopic. The fictional interview highlights several >> real problems with the software industry. Like I said earlier, some people >> get a knee-jerk reaction to fiction, but fiction is not only often an >> effective tool as writing an essay, but often superior. A lot of ink was >> spilled about how the concept of an Abrahamic God was harmful until this >> delivered a swift deathblow to it - >> http://www.roflcat.com/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate . >> Furthermore, there was a significant risk that the USA will get carried >> away into unnecessary paranoia during the late 60s until Sesame Street >> started airing as a show depicting a happy, safe, carefree street where >> children live and have fun together with adults, animated animals and even >> cute furry monsters (!!). >> >> Nevertheless, I am willing to mark it as "[Slightly OT]". >> >> >>> This way I, and anyone else not interested in anything but the >>> technology this list is about, can filter it out, and let you keep spamming >>> those who are for some reason interested. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 2. What makes you feel it kills a good and useful mailing list? >>>> >>> >>> As soon as a list(/community/forum/etc) turns into an offtopic promoting >>> medium, the useful and productive community members leave. I've managed >>> enough forums to see that happen. >>> >>> >> >> There may be a more significant risk of this list becoming overly dry, >> too inbred (see >> http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=larry-wall-all-truth-is-gods-truh >> ), and too routine. We need to constantly seek external influences: from >> other operating systems, from other fields of knowledge, from popular and >> not so popular culture, from linguistics, history and humanities, from >> ancient sources, etc. >> >> Otherwise we risk stagnation. My post was not off-topic, just made use of >> some popular culture metaphors. Do you agree? >> >> >>> >>>> Vague complaints are vague. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>> Nothing is vague here. This is off topic, your stories aren't >>> interesting, aren't funny and would not belong in a LUG, even if they were. >>> >> >> First of all you're stating these things as facts instead of saying "I >> don't find them interesting, funny, etc." or "IMHO, they are non funny". >> Like someone once told me "In my opinion, it's a fact.". You'll evoke much >> less antagonism if you follow this guideline. >> >> For the record, quite a few people told me that they liked one or more of >> the things I wrote, and if you ask me - if one person besides me enjoyed my >> work - it was a spectacular success: >> >> https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/UdiPzsSGc66 >> >> I don't mind writing a study / midrash of the Emma Watson interview story >> for those who are not familiar with its sources and subtleties, but many >> people liked it even without that. >> >> ------------ >> >> I hope I made myself clear. Please reply to the list if you have any >> further objections or comments. >> >> Best regards, >> >> -- Shlomi Fish >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------ >> Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ >> >> Chuck Norris helps the gods that help themselves. >> >> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply >> . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux-il mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> >> > > > -- > [image: View my profile on LinkedIn] > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer> > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > >
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