Hi all!

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Shachar Shemesh <shac...@shemesh.biz> wrote:

> As far as I can tell, programmers who want to program large projects that
> are latency sensitive have only choices for programming language:
> C++ (the default)
> D (if you're really careful)
> Rust
> (No, I do not consider C a suitable language for large scale projects,
> latency sensitive or otherwise).

And I have quite a few doubts about C++ for that -
http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Links_against_C++/ .

> (I would have put ObjectiveC on this list had anyone been willing to
> program it for anything other than iOS apps).
Apple has created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language)

> To me, taking a project and translating it to a language I want to learn
> makes perfect sense, as that's the only way to really learn a new language.
> As such, even in retrospect, I find nothing outrageous about Shlomi's
> announcement.

have you read the lists of advantages and disadvantages? ;-) .

> On 02/04/2018 02:07, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 20:14:58 +0300
> Shlomi Fish <shlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Shlomi, There's a boatload of new computer languages on the scene
> today. Which languages did you consider before picking Rust?
> I only considered Rust because it does not have any conceivable
> competition for my needs. Regards, -- Shlomi P.S: note the date.
> LOL, OK Shlomi, you got me.
> I was especially susceptible to this particular 4/1'ism because making
> a smartened backtracking algorithm in an arcane language is something
> *I* would do :-).
> I don't think calling Rust "arcane" does it justice. Firefox is hardly a
> niche program, and the FF developers credit much of the performance leap it
> has done recently to the rewrite to Rust.
> Of the list above, Rust is the only one I do not know. My introduction to
> Rust was through working with D over the past four years. That has been a
> mixed bag, with some really great stuff and other stuff that was downright
> horrible. In complaining about it, I actually started fantasizing about
> starting my own programming language, to be called Practical ("I program a
> Practical programming language". http://practical.pl was already taken,
> unfortunately).
> But then I found out that whenever I said "In Practical, so and so", the
> answer would be "That's the way it is in Rust".
> Now, I don't have any project that is a good fit for porting to Rust.
> Rsyncrypto has been out of active maintenance for too long, and fakeroot-ng
> does too many dodgy things to make Rust practical (pun intended). With that
> in mind, I think calling it "arcane" is simply incorrect.
> Rust is attempting to make compile-time guarantees about memory safety.
> That is an interesting concept, but I cannot make informed jugment about
> how it works in practice without actually writing something substantial in
> the language. There are too many things you do not see until you actually
> break your teeth on a language.
> Granted, freecell solver is *not* a latency sensitive program, and the
> advantages of porting it to Rust over, say, Go or Java, are less distinct.
> Then again, rsyncrypto is not a latency sensitive program either
> (fakeroot-ng is, BTW), and I'd do it just to gain another tool in my tool
> belt.
> So even with the hindsight, I still don't find Shlomi's announcement far
> fetched.
> Shachar
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