2018-01-23 15:21+0100, Christian Borntraeger:
> Paolo, Radim,
> 
> this patch not only allows to isolate a userspace process, it also allows us
> to add a new interface for KVM that would allow us to isolate a KVM guest CPU
> to no longer being able to inject branches in any host or other  guests. 
> (while
> at the same time QEMU and host kernel can run with full power). 
> We just have to set the TIF bit TIF_ISOLATE_BP_GUEST for the thread that runs 
> a
> given CPU. This would certainly be an addon patch on top of this patch at a 
> later
> point in time.

I think that the default should be secure, so userspace will be
breaking the isolation instead of setting it up and having just one
place to screw up would be better -- the prctl could decide which
isolation mode to pick.

Maybe we can change the conditions and break logical connection between
TIF_ISOLATE_BP and TIF_ISOLATE_BP_GUEST, to make a separate KVM
interface useful.

> Do you think something similar would be useful for other architectures as 
> well?

It goes against my idea of virtualization, but there probably are users
that don't care about isolation and still use virtual machines ...
I expect most architectures to have a fairly similar resolution of
branch prediction leaks, so the idea should be easily abstractable on
all levels.  (At least x86 is.)

> In that case we should try to come up with a cross-architecture interface to 
> enable
> that.

Makes me think of a generic VM control "prefer performance over
security", which would also take care of future problems and let arches
decide what is worth the code.

A main drawback is that this will introduce dynamic branches to the
code, which are going to slow down the common case to speed up a niche.

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