On 4 Jun 2020, at 12:36, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 09:51:10AM -0400, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 4 Jun 2020, at 7:34, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 09:30:45AM +0530, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>>>> +Quantifying Migration
>>>> +=====================
>>>> +Following events can be used to quantify page migration.
>>>> +
>>>> +- PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS
>>>> +- PGMIGRATE_FAIL
>>>> +- THP_MIGRATION_SUCCESS
>>>> +- THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE
>>>> +
>>>> +THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE in particular represents an event when a THP could 
>>>> not be
>>>> +migrated as a single entity following an allocation failure and ended up 
>>>> getting
>>>> +split into constituent normal pages before being retried. This event, 
>>>> along with
>>>> +PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS and PGMIGRATE_FAIL will help in quantifying and 
>>>> analyzing THP
>>>> +migration events including both success and failure cases.
>>>
>>> First, I'd suggest running this paragraph through 'fmt'.  That way you
>>> don't have to care about line lengths.
>>>
>>> Second, this paragraph doesn't really explain what I need to know to
>>> understand the meaning of these numbers.  When Linux attempts to migrate
>>> a THP, one of three things can happen:
>>>
>>>  - It is migrated as a single THP
>>>  - It is migrated, but had to be split
>>>  - Migration fails
>>>
>>> How do I turn these four numbers into an understanding of how often each
>>> of those three situations happen?  And why do we need four numbers to
>>> report three situations?
>>>
>>> Or is there something else that can happen?  If so, I'd like that explained
>>> here too ;-)
>>
>> PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS and PGMIGRATE_FAIL record a combination of different 
>> events,
>> so it is not easy to interpret them. Let me try to explain them.
>
> Thanks!  Very helpful explanation.
>
>> 1. migrating only base pages: PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS and PGMIGRATE_FAIL just mean
>> these base pages are migrated and fail to migrate respectively.
>> THP_MIGRATION_SUCCESS and THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE should be 0 in this case.
>> Simple.
>>
>> 2. migrating only THPs:
>>      - PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS means THPs that are migrated and base pages
>>      (from the split of THPs) that are migrated,
>>
>>      - PGMIGRATE_FAIL means THPs that fail to migrate and base pages that 
>> fail to migrated.
>>
>>      - THP_MIGRATION_SUCCESS means THPs that are migrated.
>>
>>      - THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE means THPs that are split.
>>
>> So PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS - THP_MIGRATION_SUCCESS means the number of migrated 
>> base pages,
>> which are from the split of THPs.
>
> Are you sure about that?  If I split a THP and each of those subpages
> migrates, won't I then see PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS increase by 512?

That is what I mean. I guess my words did not work. I should have used subpages.

>
>> When it comes to analyze failed migration, PGMIGRATE_FAIL - 
>> THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE
>> means the number of pages that are failed to migrate, but we cannot tell how 
>> many
>> are base pages and how many are THPs.
>>
>> 3. migrating base pages and THP:
>>
>> The math should be very similar to the second case, except that
>> a) from PGMIGRATE_SUCCESS - THP_MIGRATION_SUCCESS, we cannot tell how many 
>> are pages begin
>> as base pages and how many are pages begin as THPs but become base pages 
>> after split;
>> b) from PGMIGRATE_FAIL - THP_MIGRATION_FAILURE, an additional case,
>> base pages that begin as base pages fail to migrate, is mixed into the 
>> number and we
>> cannot tell three cases apart.
>
> So why don't we just expose PGMIGRATE_SPLIT?  That would be defined as
> the number of times we succeeded in migrating a THP but had to split it
> to succeed.

It might need extra code to get that number. Currently, the subpages from split
THPs are appended to the end of the original page list, so we might need a 
separate
page list for these subpages to count PGMIGRATE_SPLIT. Also what if some of the
subpages fail to migrate? Do we increase PGMIGRATE_SPLIT or not?



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Best Regards,
Yan Zi

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