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> From: Huang, Kai <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2025 12:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 6/6] x86/sgx: Enable automatic SVN updates for SGX
> enclaves
> 
> On Thu, 2025-07-24 at 21:14 +0000, Huang, Kai wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Attempt to execute ENCLS[EUPDATESVN] every time the first file
> descriptor
> > > > > is obtained via sgx_(vepc_)open(). In the most common case the
> microcode
> > > > > SVN is already up-to-date, and the operation succeeds without updating
> SVN.
> > > >
> > > > (Sorry I forgot to say this in the previous versions):
> > > >
> > > > If I read the pseudo code correctly, when the SVN is already up-to-date,
> > > > the EUPDATESVN doesn't update SVN but it re-generates crypto assets
> > > > anyway.
> > > >
> > > > This is no harm per the pseudo code, since the "crypto assets" is 
> > > > actually
> > > > the CR_BASE_KEY which is only used by EWB/ELDU flow per the SDM.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, it doesn't impact other enclave visible keys (those from
> > > > EGETKEY) such as sealing key.
> > > >
> > > > I think this is important.  Because if enclave visible keys such as
> > > > sealing key are lost on EUPDATESVN when SVN is already up-to-date
> (which
> > > > is the most common case), it will bring significant visible impact to
> > > > enclave.  E.g., one enclave could find its secret encrypted by sealing 
> > > > key
> > > > could never be retrieved after it restarts.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming I didn't miss anything, can we also mention this in the
> > > > changelog?
> > >
> > > Yes, you are right, anything like above behaviour would be a nightmare
> > > in practice. So would smth like this work as an additional text:
> > >
> > > "Note that in cases when SVN is already up-to-date and EUPDATESVN
> > > is executed, it does not affect enclaves' visible keys obtained via 
> > > EGETKEY
> > > instruction."
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> >
> > Yes works for me.  Thanks.
> 
> Side topic, just out of curiosity, do you know why Intel decided to re-
> generate CR_BASE_KEY even SVN is found to be up-to-date?

This design pre-dates me, but as far as I understand it was due to some
internal design constraints present in Ice Lake Server, where this was
first introduced.

Best Regards,
Elena.

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