On 6/15/2026 11:09 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2026, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 11:43:14AM +0100, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2026 at 01:05:07PM +0000, Shivank Garg wrote:
>>>> guest_memfd folios are currently marked unmovable, so the kernel cannot
>>>> perform NUMA-balancing, memory compaction, etc. This is unavoidable for
>>>> confidential VMs (SEV-SNP, TDX), since memory is encrypted and copying it
>>>> needs firmware assistance. However, for non-confidential VMs (like
>>>> Firecracker), we can migrate the folios.
>>>>
>>>> This series enables folio migration for non-confidential guest_memfd and
>>>> also lays the groundwork for migrating confidential guest_memfd later.
>>>> Once firmware-assisted copying support is available, those VMs can be
>>>> made movable, the confidential folio content can be copied separately,
>>>> and the destination folio marked with FOLIO_CONTENT_COPIED so
>>>> __migrate_folio() skips the host-side folio_mc_copy().
>>>
>>> I always thought that one of the nice things about using guest_memfd as a
>>> memory backend, as opposed to host userspace mappings, is that the host
>>> cannot unmap VM memory because of KSM, automatic NUMA balancing, hugepage
>>> collapse, compaction, etc, acting on the host userspace mapping of the
>>> VM memory, and outside of the VMM's or KVM's control.
>
> +1000. It's not just "nice to have", it's a core design principle of
> guest_memfd.
>
>>> I think it would be useful to preserve this behaviour, even in the absence
>>> of confidential VMs (i.e, guest_memfd file descriptor created with
>>> GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP).
>>
>> Just to be clear, I was thinking that it might be useful for both
>> behaviours to exist (migratable and non-migratable) for non-confidential
>> VMs, and allow KVM or userspace to decide which they prefer for a
>> guest_memfd.
>
> For the purposes of this discussion, we should separate the physical act of
> migrating pages from the features that trigger migration. As I said in last
> week's
> guest-memfd call, I am a-ok with supporting page migration as a mechanism,
> but I
> am dead set against supporting NUMA balancing, KSM, LRU-based swap/reclaim,
> and
> anything else that goes against the goal of guest-first memory.
>
> If userspace wants mm/ functionality, then use anon, memfd, hugetlb, shmem,
> etc.
>
> Shivank, what's the immediate motivation for this series?
Hi Sean,
This makes sense!
Tbh, my main motivation was to start a dialogue on this, since the
implementation+testing itself was easy.
Compaction and memory failure handling were the cases I initially
had in mind. And as David noted, ZONE_MOVABLE/CMA, compaction, memory
offlining, virtio-mem cases would be useful too.
I fully agree that NUMA balancing, LRU/reclaim and etc. features
should stay out, and keeping the migration as mechanism only for
guest_memfd.
Thanks,
Shivank
