On Sunday 06 April 2014, Paul Bolle wrote: >On Sun, 2014-04-06 at 13:31 -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote: >> and/or changing MOUSE_APPLETOUCH to depend on USB instead of select it? > >MOUSE_APPLETOUCH selects USB and depends on USB_ARCH_HAS_HCD. That's >actually quite a common pattern. > >But what is the purpose of USB_ARCH_HAS_HCD? It is set by default if >USB_SUPPORT is set. And USB depends on it, but since USB also depends on >USB_SUPPORT that seems superfluous. > >My slow day continues, because I find this hard to grok. > > >Paul Bolle
Rant mode on. I don't find it at all hard to use my toothpick sized oar here to bitch about de-selected subsystems that are buried so far in dependencies that you simply cannot find the options you need in a make xconfig or make menuconfig. To have a whole genre of drivers simply disappear, never to be seen again by someone trying to configure a working kernel, just because some upstream, totally unrelated upstream dependency isn't checked, is nothing short of asinine. I just spent a month building a new kernel here, and finally had to resort to editing the individual trees kconfig files to get a 3.13.6 PAE kernel to build, and it STILL won't play videos without extremely distracting audio stutters and many second long video freezes, followed by 300 frames a second catchups. Reboot to Ubu1204.3 LTS, works perfectly, except kmail crashes even before opening its screen, with an error no one on the kubuntu lists has ever seen. I can't work without a working email agent. I had to search thru the far ends of the driver trees, looking at kconfig files to see what parent dependencies they might contain, cd back up the tree one level and make sure that kconfig had its dependencies met, clear back up to the root kconfig. This went on, building and rebooting to at least 3 kernels an evening for damned near a month to even get where I am ATM. Thats not excusable. Do not ever hide shit, make it ALL visible, and if I check a driver my hardware needs, it should cascade back up thru the tree calling in every other thing that driver needs, whether its selected in the parent kconfigs or not. If that attitude steps on somebodies toes, I don't have a quarter to call anybody who cares. This from someone who has been a linux only house since RH5.0, in what, 1997 or 1998? You have, in the last few years, been painting yourself into a corner with the *config's. FIX IT. /Rant mode off. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
