Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:57:01 schrieb Måns Rullgård: > Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> writes: > > Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:27:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra: > >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: > >> > Steven Rostedt <rost...@goodmis.org> writes: > >> > > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Made my day. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init > >> > > routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware". > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The trouble is that most of the heavy-weight kernel developers don't > >> > seem to care at all about what goes on in userspace. > >> > >> > >> > >> Well, I know for a fact that quite a number do; but so far most people > >> who care have been able to steer clear of this trainwreck so we did. > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm about to switch all my machines to Gentoo (from Debian) because that > >> will indeed allow you to build a distro without much of this nonsense > >> in -- because as has been eloquently said; you simply don't need this > >> fucking shite to run a 'normal' machine. > >> > >> > >> > >> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy' way > >> out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines is > >> indeed painful, and I'm not liking. > > > > Just for record: > > > > Debian continues and will (for now and supposedly Jessie lifetime) > > continue to work without systemd as PID 1 using systemd-shim and > > cgmanager. > > For now. Non-systemd configurations will receive little testing, if > any. Once enough breakage accumulates, someone will issue an ultimatum > for dropping such support entirely unless those who complain fix > everything within an unreasonably short time. Obviously most things > will remain broken, because those who opposed systemd are not package > maintainers and have other jobs to do, and non-systemd support will be > removed. I expect this to happen in unstable/testing within 18 months.
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