On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 2:50 PM David Rientjes <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Jun 2024, Sean Christopherson wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024, Elliot Berman wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:16:31AM +0100, Fuad Tabba wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 10:10 AM David Hildenbrand <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > On 21.06.24 10:54, Fuad Tabba wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 9:44 AM David Hildenbrand > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>> Again from that thread, one of most important aspects > > > > > >>>> guest_memfd is that VMAs > > > > > >>>> are not required. Stating the obvious, lack of VMAs makes it > > > > > >>>> really hard to drive > > > > > >>>> swap, reclaim, migration, etc. from code that fundamentally > > > > > >>>> operates on VMAs. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> : More broadly, no VMAs are required. The lack of stage-1 > > > > > >>>> page tables are nice to > > > > > >>>> : have; the lack of VMAs means that guest_memfd isn't playing > > > > > >>>> second fiddle, e.g. > > > > > >>>> : it's not subject to VMA protections, isn't restricted to > > > > > >>>> host mapping size, etc. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected] > > > > > >>>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected] > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I wonder if it might be more productive to also discuss this in > > > > > >>> one of > > > > > >>> the PUCKs, ahead of LPC, in addition to trying to go over this in > > > > > >>> LPC. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I don't know in which context you usually discuss that, but I > > > > > >> could > > > > > >> propose that as a topic in the bi-weekly MM meeting. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This would, of course, be focused on the bigger MM picture: how to > > > > > >> mmap, > > > > > >> how how to support huge pages, interaction with page pinning, ... > > > > > >> So > > > > > >> obviously more MM focused once we are in agreement that we want to > > > > > >> support shared memory in guest_memfd and how to make that work > > > > > >> with core-mm. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Discussing if we want shared memory in guest_memfd might be betetr > > > > > >> suited for a different, more CC/KVM specific meeting (likely the > > > > > >> "PUCKs" > > > > > >> mentioned here?). > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I should have given more context on what a PUCK* is :) It's a > > > > > > periodic (almost weekly) upstream call for KVM. > > > > > > > > > > > > [*] > > > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > > > > But yes, having a discussion in one of the mm meetings ahead of LPC > > > > > > would also be great. When do these meetings usually take place, to > > > > > > try > > > > > > to coordinate across timezones. > > > > Let's do the MM meeting. As evidenced by the responses, it'll be easier to > > get > > KVM folks to join the MM meeting as opposed to other way around. > > > > > > > It's Wednesday, 9:00 - 10:00am PDT (GMT-7) every second week. > > > > > > > > > > If we're in agreement, we could (assuming there are no other planned > > > > > topics) either use the slot next week (June 26) or the following one > > > > > (July 10). > > > > > > > > > > Selfish as I am, I would prefer July 10, because I'll be on vacation > > > > > next week and there would be little time to prepare. > > > > > > > > > > @David R., heads up that this might become a topic ("shared and > > > > > private > > > > > memory in guest_memfd: mmap, pinning and huge pages"), if people here > > > > > agree that this is a direction worth heading. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the invite! Tentatively July 10th works for me, but I'd > > > > like to talk to the others who might be interested (pKVM, Gunyah, and > > > > others) to see if that works for them. I'll get back to you shortly. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to join too, July 10th at that time works for me. > > > > July 10th works for me too. > > > > Thanks all, and David H for the topic suggestion. Let's tentatively > pencil this in for the Wednesday, July 10th instance at 9am PDT and I'll > follow-up offlist with those will be needed to lead the discussion to make > sure we're on track.
I would like to join the call too. Regards, Vishal
