Hi Hans and all, On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 15:50 +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote: > Hi all, > > While the Request API patch series addresses all the core API issues, there > are some high-level considerations as well: > > 1) How can the application tell that the Request API is supported and for > which buffer types (capture/output) and pixel formats? > > 2) How can the application tell if the Request API is required as opposed to > being > optional? > > 3) Some controls may be required in each request, how to let userspace know > this? > Is it even necessary to inform userspace? > > 4) (For bonus points): How to let the application know which streaming I/O > modes > are available? That's never been possible before, but it would be very nice > indeed if that's made explicit.
Thanks for bringing up these considerations and questions, which perhaps cover the last missing bits for streamlined use of the request API by userspace. I would suggest another item, related to 3): 5) How can applications tell whether the driver supports a specific codec profile/level, not only for encoding but also for decoding? It's common for low-end embedded hardware to not support the most advanced profiles (e.g. H264 high profile). > Since the Request API associates data with frame buffers it makes sense to > expose > this as a new capability field in struct v4l2_requestbuffers and struct > v4l2_create_buffers. > > The first struct has 2 reserved fields, the second has 8, so it's not a > problem to > take one for a capability field. Both structs also have a buffer type, so we > know > if this is requested for a capture or output buffer type. The pixel format is > known > in the driver, so HAS/REQUIRES_REQUESTS can be set based on that. I doubt > we'll have > drivers where the request caps would actually depend on the pixel format, but > it > theoretically possible. For both ioctls you can call them with count=0 at the > start > of the application. REQBUFS has of course the side-effect of deleting all > buffers, > but at the start of your application you don't have any yet. CREATE_BUFS has > no > side-effects. My initial thoughts on this point were to have flags exposed in v4l2_capability, but now that you're saying it, it does make sense for the flag to be associated with a buffer rather than the global device. In addition, I've heard of cases (IIRC it was some Rockchip platforms) where the platform has both stateless and stateful VPUs (I think it was stateless up to H264 and stateful for H265). This would allow supporting these two hardware blocks under the same video device (if that makes sense anyway). And even if there's no immediate need, it's always good to have this level of granularity (with little drawbacks). > I propose adding these capabilities: > > #define V4L2_BUF_CAP_HAS_REQUESTS 0x00000001 > #define V4L2_BUF_CAP_REQUIRES_REQUESTS 0x00000002 > #define V4L2_BUF_CAP_HAS_MMAP 0x00000100 > #define V4L2_BUF_CAP_HAS_USERPTR 0x00000200 > #define V4L2_BUF_CAP_HAS_DMABUF 0x00000400 > > If REQUIRES_REQUESTS is set, then HAS_REQUESTS is also set. > > At this time I think that REQUIRES_REQUESTS would only need to be set for the > output queue of stateless codecs. > > If capabilities is 0, then it's from an old kernel and all you know is that > requests are certainly not supported, and that MMAP is supported. Whether > USERPTR > or DMABUF are supported isn't known in that case (just try it :-) ). Sounds good to me! > Strictly speaking we do not need these HAS_MMAP/USERPTR/DMABUF caps, but it > is very > easy to add if we create a new capability field anyway, and it has always > annoyed > the hell out of me that we didn't have a good way to let userspace know what > streaming I/O modes we support. And with vb2 it's easy to implement. I totally agree here, it would be very nice to take the occasion to expose to userspace what I/O modes are available. The current try-and- see approach works, but this feels much better indeed. > Regarding point 3: I think this should be documented next to the pixel > format. I.e. > the MPEG-2 Slice format used by the stateless cedrus codec requires the > request API > and that two MPEG-2 controls (slice params and quantization matrices) must be > present > in each request. > > I am not sure a control flag (e.g. V4L2_CTRL_FLAG_REQUIRED_IN_REQ) is needed > here. > It's really implied by the fact that you use a stateless codec. It doesn't > help > generic applications like v4l2-ctl or qv4l2 either since in order to support > stateless codecs they will have to know about the details of these controls > anyway. > > So I am inclined to say that it is not necessary to expose this information in > the API, but it has to be documented together with the pixel format > documentation. I think this is affected by considerations about codec profile/level support. More specifically, some controls will only be required for supporting advanced codec profiles/levels, so they can only be explicitly marked with appropriate flags by the driver when the target profile/level is known. And I don't think it would be sane for userspace to explicitly set what profile/level it's aiming at. As a result, I don't think we can explicitly mark controls as required or optional. I also like the idea that it should instead be implicit and that the documentation should detail which specific stateless metadata controls are required for a given profile/level. As for controls validation, the approach followed in the Cedrus driver is to check that the most basic controls are filled and allow having missing controls for those that match advanced profiles. Since this approach feels somewhat generic enough to be applied to all stateless VPU drivers, maybe this should be made a helper in the framework? In addition, I see a need for exposing the maximum profile/level that the driver supports for decoding. I would suggest reusing the already- existing dedicated controls used for encoding for this purpose. For decoders, they would be used to expose the (read-only) maximum profile/level that is supported by the hardware and keep using them as a settable value in a range (matching the level of support) for encoders. This is necessary for userspace to determine whether a given video can be decoded in hardware or not. Instead of half-way decoding the video (ending up in funky results), this would easily allow skipping hardware decoding and e.g. falling back on software decoding. What do you think? Cheers, Paul -- Paul Kocialkowski, Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons) Embedded Linux and kernel engineering https://bootlin.com
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