Linux-Misc Digest #713, Volume #18 Thu, 21 Jan 99 12:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Boot disk for upgrade (Tim Seifert)
Corrupt RPM? (Thomas Boggs)
Netscape 4.5 & fonts ("Leon Valdes")
kppp, Tango 2000 externer ISDN-Adapter und SuSE 6 ("Medicus")
Re: Lilo Pbs ... (Jack Ostroff)
Re: Put Linux on existing D parition? (M Sweger)
Re: Netscape Q: How to make it download in Binary (Mime types - (Ivo Naninck)
Re: switching in and out of an Xwindow console ("David Z. Maze")
Re: LILO chokes my compile...BUT I DONT USE LILO..?? (jamie)
What is insmod telling me here? (Walt Stoneburner)
Re: shutdown -r won�t reboot ("Kent Nilsen")
Re: Nedit for w95 ("Ron Savage")
Re: Star Trek window manager? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" (Matthias Warkus)
Novell Client Requester (Dzung Nguyen)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" [HOLY WARS ALERT] (Matthias Warkus)
Re: A newbie versus "vi" (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Netscape Q: How to make it download in Binary (Mime types - arghhhhhhh!) (Mike
Werner)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Erik Naggum)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:27:37 GMT
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:57:09 GMT, Gabor vouchsafed:
># Well, periods mark the end of a sentence. If the end of a sentence is
># marked by a period, then couldn't one use a little logic to conclude
># that the next word following the period is going to be the beginning
># of a sentence?
>
>Writing evolved the way it has so we can communicate with each other.
And Windows 98 evolved to allow lower life forms to use computers. The
relevance of evolution in this discussion is...?
># meaning. Capitalizing a word just because it's located at the
># beginning of a sentence can result in information loss.
>
>What loss might this be? The letter is still the same letter. It
>hasn't gone on strike and changed its meaning.
>
># Also, it's annoying when you want to type a variable name at the
># beginning of a sentence and realize it will look weird if you don't
># capitalize it, but capitalizing will make it incorrect for most
># programming languages.
>
>We are talking about natural languages, not programming. Different
>issue.
It has not gone and changed its meaning when that meaning is taken from
the general English et al lexicon. However, writing frequently
encompasses more than pure English. To wit: suppose (in a contrived
yet nonetheless demonstrative example) that you wish to describe a
quandary which a man named "Ed" faced whilst using an editor program
called "ed".
So. You begin by writing, "Ed has a problem." But wait! Does Ed have
a problem, or does ed? Should we consult a psychiatrist, or a debugger?
Suddenly, you've lost information by way of initial capitalisation! The
reader (who may not be familiar with the subject) must now attempt to
discover your meaning through context. This is a Bad Thing.
This becomes especially obvious when one is writing, for instance, a
text (using a natural language) which discusses something (such as any
of a number of programming languages) which have a case-sensitive
lexicon.
HTH. HAND.
--
Carl Jacobs - Software Engineer by title, SysAdmin by fait accompli
Opinions expressed are not those of Raytheon Systems Company.
cjacobs at fallschurch.esys.com, hyde at rtfm.netset.com (munged)
"You're not me. Therefore you're irrelevant." -Dogbert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Seifert)
Subject: Boot disk for upgrade
Date: 21 Jan 1999 13:57:19 GMT
How do I create a boot disk for installing and upgrading RedHat 5.2? The
suggested dd or cp commands don't seem to work -- the boot image files are
larger than the floppy (1.47MB!!) How do I get the boot image to fit on
the floppy?
Tim Seifert
St. John's, NF, Canada
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From: Thomas Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Corrupt RPM?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:20:13 -0500
I've been tried to install the RPM for Window Maker 0.50.2. I got the
following message:
[root@riemann download]# rpm -Uvh WindowMaker-0.50.2-2.i386.rpm
failed dependencies:
libungif.so.4 is needed by WindowMaker-0.50.2-2
So I installed the RPM for libungif-4.0-1, which includes
libungif.so.4, but I continued getting the same failed dependency
message when trying to install Window Maker. So I tried to "verify" the
RPM and got this:
[root@riemann download]# rpm -V libungif-4.0-1
.M...... /usr/lib/libungif.so.4
This, according to the rpm man page, indicates there is a problem with
the "mode" of the file, which includes permissions. The installed file
is actually a symbolic link and has the following permissions:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jan 18 17:20
/usr/lib/libungif.so.4 -> libungif.so.4.0.0
Querying the RPM for the file's info gives
[root@riemann download]# rpm -ql --dump libungif-4.0-1
...
/usr/lib/libungif.so.4 17 913958298 0120644 root root 0 0 0
libungif.so.4.0.0
I've tried to play around with the file's permissions to see if the
error goes away, but nothing has worked so far. Anyone know how I can
fix this?
Thanks,
Thomas
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From: "Leon Valdes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape 4.5 & fonts
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:55:41 -0400
Hi, I'm a beginner user of Linux. The Netscape 4.5 run ok, but some fonts
are unredeable.
How can I add more fonts for Netscape?
Thanks
Leon
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From: "Medicus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.Linux.hardware,de.alt.comm.isdn4linux,de.comp.os.linux.hardware,de.comp.os.linux.misc,de.comp.os.linux.x,de.comp.os.unix.linux.hardware,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,fido.ger.linux
Subject: kppp, Tango 2000 externer ISDN-Adapter und SuSE 6
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:28:38 +0100
Hallo,
wenn ich mein Tango 2000 unter Linux betreiben m�chte, so spreche ich es wie
ein normales Modem �ber AT-Befehle an.
Ich setze unter KDE das Progi kppp ein.
Folgende Meldungen kommen dabei beim Einw�hlen:
ATZ
OK
ATDT xxxxxxxxx
CONNECT 64000/ISDN/HDLCP
dann nach einer Weile:
"MELDE AM NETZWERK AN..."
und nach ca. 15 sec.
"The pppd daemon died unexpectedly!"
Die Benutzerrechte sind auf root eingestellt! Und ich w�hle mich als root
ein. Dennoch klappt es nicht!
Wenn jemand auch mit einem externen ISDN-Adapter sich ins Internet einw�hlt,
so w�re ich �ber Hilfe sehr dankbar.
MfG Medicus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Ostroff)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,fr.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Lilo Pbs ...
Date: 20 Jan 1999 21:25:15 GMT
[posted - not emailed]
[much snipped...]
>
> > * The only way I can start is to boot from a floppy..
> > then I can access to the partition table :
> >
> > Part | Type | Size | Mounted as
> > -------------------------------------------
> > hda1 | Fat32 | 5Go | /DosC
> > hda3 | Linux Native | 3Go | /usr/local
> > hda5 | Linux Native | 2Go | /
> > hda6 | Swap | 127Mo |
> >
> > - Why isn't there a hda2 ?
>
> That's rather strange indeed... It should be hda1 for DOS, hda2 for Linux
> native and hda3 for Linux swap.
Most likely hda2 is an extended partition, which contains
two logical partitions (hda5 and hda6).
Also - I believe the LILO limit is that the entire kernel
must be below cylinder 1024. You might want to see if you
can make hda3 / and hda5 /usr/local. (I know, it might mean
a lot of work, but it might mean that LILO will work...)
Good luck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Subject: Re: Put Linux on existing D parition?
Date: 20 Jan 1999 21:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Orr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Charles Packer wrote:
: keep the FAT16 partitioning, you should be OK. However,
: if you want to switch to the FAT32 filesystem, you will have a problem.
: Microsoft switched their FAT32 filesystem slightly, just
: enough to make Linux unhappy, but otherwise apparently not affecting
: anything else (except their 'scandisk' utility). The only way
Is this wy when I mount a vfat filesystem on Linux it doesn't
see the hidden files under NT?
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ivo Naninck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Q: How to make it download in Binary (Mime types -
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:10:33 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
> When I click
> on an RPM, it displays binary garbage onscreen. This tells me that
> if I try to save the file, the result will be garbage (it will transfer
> in ASCII mode).
>
Press SHIFT and hold it down while clicking on the link.
--
Best regards, and don't let the bits byte!
Ivo Naninck.
~
~
:wq!
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: switching in and out of an Xwindow console
Date: 21 Jan 1999 10:12:13 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
p> everytime i try to switch out of an xwindow console, i can't back
p> into it from a text based terminal. how do i get my screen back?
Uh, the same way you left it? (Hint: no combination of Ctrl+Alt+F<n>
will cause your computer to spontaneously explode into a thousand
million pieces. Trust me. I've tried this on lots of Linux boxen.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jamie)
Subject: Re: LILO chokes my compile...BUT I DONT USE LILO..??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:38:43 -0600
Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Whenever I try to compile my new kernel I make it all the way down to
>the "make modules install"
>then it chokes on trying to write to LILO.conf .......it says their is
>no such file or directory...which is true..
>because I don't use LILO...I use LOADLIN.......
use 'make zImage' instead of 'make zlilo'
You'll have to copy your kernel for loadlin out of
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot
--
jamie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"There's a seeker born every minute."
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From: Walt Stoneburner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What is insmod telling me here?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:27:03 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to install the ppa driver for the Zip Drive on Linux 2.0.36;
I've done this a dozen times before in the past on this machine with
Slackware 3.3 and prior.
However, after a fresh install to Linux 2.0.35, and downloading the new
2.0.36 kernel, I can't get ppa to install. I don't understand what it's
telling me. Here's the output after I try to install the module:
# insmod ppa
/lib/modules/2.0.36/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
scsi_unregister_module_Rd913b8f0
/lib/modules/2.0.36/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol
scsi_register_module_R8eff1010
/lib/modules/2.0.36/scsi/ppa.o: unresolved symbol scsi_register_R0f08cac5
Then I wondered if maybe I have something not set up right. So I tried
an experiment. I did a # lsmod it showed me that I had slip, ppp, and
one other module installed and working just fine. So, I decided I'd
remove a loaded module and reload it for just for kicks.
# rmmod ppp worked just great. # lsmod shows it's gone. Now the re-add:
# insmod ppp
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_free_R3787e5b9
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_remember_Rbc0f8a5e
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_toss_R89ec95b6
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_uncompress_Ra2ca7e04
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_compress_R5d6838a9
/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/ppp.o: unresolved symbol slhc_init_R20741a64
...and I'm stumped. So now I check to see how rc.modules does it. It
uses modprobe. Guess what, # /sbin/modprobe ppp works like a champ.
Where as # /sbin/modprobe ppa reports:
/lib/modules/2.0.36/misc/ppa.o: couldn't find the kernel version the module
was
compiled for
1) What's the difference between insmod and modprobe?
2) Why does insmod look in .../scsi and modprobe look in .../misc?
3) What's insmod and modprobe telling me I need to do? I'm running out
of ideas on different ways to rebuild the kernel.
-Walt Stoneburner, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Here's exactly how I followed the FAQ to get ppa support in the past, and
what I did this time that's causing the errors.
Configure the kernel:
cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig
scsi support = Y
scsi disk support = Y
Iomega zip support as a module
printer support also as a module
save it and exit
make dep
make clean
make zImage
make modules
make mdoules_install
...moved zImage to root, did the lilo.conf thing, ran lilo.
...rebooted, definately using new kernel.
(all of the above worked like it should)
Now to use the drive:
load the module insmod ppa
build a mounting point. mkdir /zip
insert a preformatted windoze type disk into the drive.
mount the disk. mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /zip
use any standard file commands as in l /zip, ls /zip, df, cp,
when you are finished umount /zip
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From: "Kent Nilsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shutdown -r won�t reboot
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:27 +0100
Hello... Try the unix way, init 6
Kent R. Nilsen
>>the computer will halt at
>>
>>�please stand by while rebooting the system�
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From: "Ron Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Nedit for w95
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:37:45 +1100
Don't forget to add these lines to MIX's rgb.txt, to talk to SGI for
example.
169 169 169 dark grey
169 169 169 DarkGrey
169 169 169 dark gray
169 169 169 DarkGray
0 0 139 dark blue
0 0 139 DarkBlue
0 139 139 dark cyan
0 139 139 DarkCyan
139 0 139 dark magenta
139 0 139 DarkMagenta
139 0 0 dark red
139 0 0 DarkRed
144 238 144 light green
144 238 144 LightGreen
238 0 238 light magenta
238 0 238 LightMagenta
238 0 0 light red
238 0 0 LightRed
--
Ron Savage
Office (preferred): [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rpsavage
William Boyle wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Thanks, I got it. Now all I have to do is get MI/X working...
>
>-Bill
>
>Alvaro A. Novo wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, William Boyle wrote:
>>
>> > Could you tell me how you got NEdit for Win 95/NT? I cannot find an NT
>> > build in the fnal ftp site (ftp.fnal.gov/pub/nedit). TIA.
>> >
>> > -Bill Boyle ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Follow this link:
>>
>> http://www-pat.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html
>>
>> and then click on
>>
>> Max Volken's souped up NEdit (incl. Windows/NT version)
>>
>> Alvaro
>>
>> > Antoni Zochowski wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Could someone tell me, how to make Nedit for W95 to work with
>> > > MI/X free Xwindows server ? The available package is configured
>> > > for Exceed, but there is mention of running it also under
>> > > MI/X. The MI/X alone works fine.
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> Alvaro A. Novo
>> 2116 S. Orchard St., #304
>> Urbana, IL 61801
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~novo/Alvaro.htm
>> 217-337-4893
>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Star Trek window manager?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:52:43 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:18:29 -0500...
..and Ross Vandegrift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If there is one, I'd like to put it into my collection. So, I ask the people
> > who really are insiders with respect to window managers: is there?
>
> Being a window manager buff, you ought to check out www.themes.org - I'm
> sure someone with too much time has made one...
Uh, yes, I think I should look there, but I am collecting actual programs,
not themes.
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi"
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:09:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:30:52 -0800...
..and Sean Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Both were pretty nifty, but SGI has been shipping NEdit with the
> latest versions of IRIX. It pretty much has all of the function-
> ality of jot/zip plus some more clever stuff in version 5.0.x
> (e.g., syntax highlighting).
>
> Check out:
>
> http://www-pat.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html
>
> and compile it yourself or download the nedit RPM from your
> favorite RedHat contrib mirror.
S'pose I should really try NEdit, everyone is talking so much about it...
but I doubt that I will leave my dear Emacs for it...
mawa, who will probably die in front of an Emacs window
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: Dzung Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Novell Client Requester
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:31:58 -0500
Hi,
Could anyone please tell me if there exists a Netware Requester for
Redhat and where to obtain it?
Thank you very much in advance,
Dzung
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi" [HOLY WARS ALERT]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:11:30 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 20 Jan 1999 00:35:46 -0500...
..and Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Al, who finds vi nice and TECO amusing. But EMACS... Nah. It's M$ of
> editors. Heck, even M$ had to spend quite a few years until they managed to
> build similar monolitic, slow and bloated memory hog.
Emacs is actually very modular. Look at where all the functionality is
loaded from. I don't know whether it supports unloading of modules, though...
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi"
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:08:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:58:00 +0000...
..and Kelly and Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What made me able to hand in the assignment on time was the Silicon
> Graphics' beautiful "vi" editor. I think it was called "vi". Anyway,
> it was fully GUI with pull-down menus with all sorts of menu-items
> goodies. Like "auto-indent" toggle and "pretty-print" and "code
> completion...". It was really lovely.
What you probably want is vim, which comes with a graphical user interface
called gvim. But it's still modal!
I recommend you to learn Emacs.
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Q: How to make it download in Binary (Mime types - arghhhhhhh!)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:12:02 -0500
Jeremy Mathers wrote:
> But, from a purely practical perspective, did you actually test this?
> Do you know that the file gets downloaded in binary (and is, in fact,
Yes, it does get a binary transfer. By holding the shift key while
left-clicking, you are instructing Netscape to bypass any and all MIME
encoding, thus enforcing a binary mode transfer. (this might be badly
worded, but yes it does a binary transfer)
> a valid RPM file) ? Although I didn't go through the motion of saving
> it to disk (i.e., fully testing it) on this occasion, my experience in
> the past has always been that if the browser displays it onscreen by
> default, then when you do a "Save to disk", you will get an ASCII transfer.
> Been bitten by it many a time...
As have I, which is why I was quite glad to discover the shift-key
trick. Unfortunately, I am under the impression that this is as
seamless as it gets without code modifications.
--
Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?"
ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!"
'91 GS500E |
Morgantown WV |
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From: Erik Naggum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 20 Jan 1999 16:38:54 +0000
* Sven Utcke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| So I noticed. Strangely enough you still employ capital letters for
| the words "I" and "Emacs". Or rather Emacs does, I guess :-)
case is an important property of a word. randomly capitalizing words
just because they happen to start sentences destroys valuable information
about that word. I therefore maintain the case properties of a word
regardless of its position in the sentence.
#:Erik
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