Linux-Misc Digest #375, Volume #19 Mon, 8 Mar 99 23:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Anthony D. Tribelli)
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? ("Rufus V. Smith")
mgetty fax receive problem ("Peter Caffin")
Linux/win poll (Jussi A Makinen)
Re: newbie! Lexmark 5700 printer...HELP! (Grant Taylor)
Re: Public license question (Christopher Seawood)
Re: Running behind your back: Crontab defaults? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Help with Network Printing. Pleeessse !!! ("Donald T. Major, II")
network card setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin)
Re: strange goings on... (Bill Unruh)
Re: More bad news for NT (Michel)
Re: Linux Safeguards for the Consumer? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux certification ("Mig Killer")
Re: Best value in CPU for linux (Ed Cogburn)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony D. Tribelli)
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:46:28 GMT
Anthony Ord ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony D. Tribelli) wrote:
: >Agreed, but it's not a simple 'instruction', and messing with the
: >Interrupt Descriptor Table is not something a user level program can do.
:
: With IE "a part of the OS" and ActiveX components running amok within
: it, the "user level" is problem is academic.
Saying something is 'part of the OS' and having it run at the kernel's CPU
privelage level are two very different things. Are you suggesting that
downloaded ActiveX components run at level 0 (most privelaged) rather than
level 3 (least privelaged)?
: Got the nastiest feeling this is going to turn out like the f00f
: problem...
I'm still leaning towards this 'unique identifier' thing to be nothing new
at all, that the PIII merely brought the issue to the attention of the
public.
Tony
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Tony Tribelli
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Rufus V. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:38:37 -0500
Bev wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>Am I the only one cynical enough to consider it possible that Gate$ has
>secretly sponsored the recent linux publicity extravaganza in order to show
>that there indeed ARE other viable operating systems and that M$ is
>therefore not a monopoly?
>
>--
I wouldn't put anything past politicians or corporations that size.
Rufus
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.alt.comm.mgetty
Subject: mgetty fax receive problem
Date: 9 Mar 1999 03:08:45 GMT
From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mgetty fax receive problem
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization:
Summary:
Keywords:
Well, I've been messing around with mgetty+sendfax and I've got the fax
spooling working (it should be fairly easy to make an /etc/printcap
script -- something to work on later)..
However, I haven't been able to get the fax receive part working at
all. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated :).
System info:
Linux (Debian) kernel 2.2.2 on an i586
mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.14-Apr02
Hayes Accura 33.6 (Class 2.0 compliant)
I'm able to dial into the modem line with another modem and connects to
a login prompt happily. But a fax connection never resolves.
The modem part of my /etc/inittab is:
# Example how to put a getty on a modem line.
#
# T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS0
T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x5 -C c2.0 -s 57600 ttyS0
The uncommented parts of my /etc/mgetty/mgetty.config are:
debug 4
fax-id
speed 38400
fax-owner root
fax-group uucp
fax-mode 0640
port ttyS0
speed 38400
My /etc/mgetty/dialin.config doesn't have anything uncommented (and so
should have the implicit allow all, if the documentation is right).
I've included the log file below.
--
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.14-Apr02
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 mgetty.c compiled at May 23 1998, 14:16:58
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 user id: 0, parent pid: 1
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 reading configuration data for port 'ttyS0'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 reading /etc/mgetty/mgetty.config...
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'debug 4'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'fax-id '
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'speed 38400'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'fax-owner root'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'fax-group uucp'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'fax-mode 0640'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'port ttyS0'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 section: port ttyS0, **found**
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 conf lib: read: 'speed 38400'
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'speed', type=0, flags=2, data=57600
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'switchbd', type=0, flags=1, data=0
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'direct', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'blocking', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'port-owner', type=1, flags=1, data=root
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'port-group', type=1, flags=1, data=dialout
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'port-mode', type=0, flags=1, data=432
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'toggle-dtr', type=3, flags=1, data=TRUE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'toggle-dtr-waittime', type=0, flags=1, data=500
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'data-only', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-only', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'modem-type', type=1, flags=2, data=c2.0
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'modem-quirks', type=0, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'init-chat', type=2, flags=1, data= \dATQ0V1H0
OK AT OK
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'force-init-chat', type=2, flags=1, data=
\d^P^C\d\d\d+++\d\d\d^M\dATQ0V1H0 OK
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'modem-check-time', type=0, flags=1, data=3600
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'rings', type=0, flags=1, data=1
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'get-cnd-chat', type=2, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'answer-chat', type=2, flags=1, data= ATA
CONNECT \c
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'answer-chat-timeout', type=0, flags=1, data=80
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'autobauding', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'ringback', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'ringback-time', type=0, flags=1, data=30
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'ignore-carrier', type=3, flags=1, data=FALSE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'issue-file', type=1, flags=1, data=/etc/issue
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'prompt-waittime', type=0, flags=1, data=500
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'login-prompt', type=1, flags=1, data=@!login:
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'login-time', type=0, flags=1, data=240
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fido-send-emsi', type=3, flags=1, data=TRUE
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-id', type=1, flags=3, data=
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-server-file', type=1, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'diskspace', type=0, flags=1, data=1024
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'notify', type=1, flags=1, data=root
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-owner', type=1, flags=3, data=root
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-group', type=1, flags=3, data=uucp
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'fax-mode', type=0, flags=3, data=416
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'debug', type=0, flags=2, data=5
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'statistics-chat', type=2, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'statistics-file', type=1, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'gettydefs', type=1, flags=1, data=n
03/09 10:57:04 yS0 key: 'term', type=1, flags=0, data=(empty)
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 check for lockfiles
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 checklock: stat failed, no file
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 locking the line
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 makelock(ttyS0) called
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 do_makelock: lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS0'
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 lock made
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 tio_get_rs232_lines: status: RTS CTS DSR DTR DCD
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 WARNING: DCD line still active, check modem settings
(AT&Dx)
03/09 10:57:05 yS0 lowering DTR to reset Modem
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 tss: set speed to 57600 (10001)
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 tio_set_flow_control( HARD )
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read:
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 send: \dATQ0V1H0[0d]
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 waiting for ``OK''
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 got: ATQ0V1H0[0d][0d][0a]OK ** found **
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 send: AT[0d]
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 waiting for ``OK''
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 got: [0d][0a]AT[0d][0d][0a]OK ** found **
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2.0'
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FCLASS=2.0'
03/09 10:57:06 yS0 mdm_command: string 'ERROR' -> ERROR
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FCLASS=2'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FCLASS=0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FAA=1;+FCR=1'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FAA=1;+FCR=1'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FBOR=0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FBOR=0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FLID=""'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FLID=""'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FDCC=1,5,0,2,0,0,0,0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'AT+FDCC=1,5,0,2,0,0,0,0'
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 mdm_command: string 'OK' -> OK
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read:
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 removing lock file
03/09 10:57:07 yS0 waiting...
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 checking lockfiles, locking the line
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 makelock(ttyS0) called
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 do_makelock: lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS0'
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 lock made
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 waiting for ``RING''
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 got: [0d][0a]RING ** found **
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 send: ATA[0d]
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 waiting for ``CONNECT''
03/09 10:59:47 yS0 got: [0d][0a]ATA[0d][0d][0a]NO CARRIER
03/09 11:00:42 yS0 found action string: ``NO CARRIER''
03/09 11:00:42 ##### failed A_FAIL dev=ttyS0, pid=3323, caller='none',
conn='', name=''
03/09 11:00:42 yS0 removing lock file
--: _ _ _ _
_oo__ |_|_ |__ _ | _ |_|_o _ pc at it dot net dot a u |
//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| |_(_|| | || | it.net.au/~pc |
/
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From: Jussi A Makinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux/win poll
Date: 8 Mar 1999 21:50:37 GMT
Hello, dear computer witches!!!
I'm attending an English course and due to pass it I have to make a poll
(of nothing) and refer my "results" afterwards to the other students.
Because our English teacher is an American and I'm sure that he is quite
unaware about Linux operating system. I think that it will be my turn to
educate him a little bit. But I will need your help to make my poll
homework.
So let me know: what is annoying You mostly in Windows 95 or relative
operating _interface_?
Rate 1-10:
a) Linux
b) Dos
c) Win3.*
d) win95
o) win98
I have my class in 13.00 (CET) - eastern time zone in USA is about 8
hours ahead. So please do not participate to my poll after that.
I appreciate all the answers,
Jussi Makinen (directly [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie! Lexmark 5700 printer...HELP!
Date: 08 Mar 1999 19:13:51 -0500
Ken Kan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sorry to inform you that both you and me (too) will not work with this
> model. Lexmark uses proprietary printing protocol and copyrighted it. It is
> only a windoze printer and can only live under windoze. Try HP because
> there is a ppa (or else) to solve.
>> I have a Lexmark 5700 printer and I'm trying to set it up under Linux. I
>> tried to set it up as a text only printer but it won't print at all. Can
>> anyone tell me how to set this up correctly? (I mean set it up as a good
>> graphics printing printer under Linux)?
Stephen Taylor has written a driver that runs the 5700 in bw only.
See http://www.ultranet.com/~setaylor/papers.htm
If this turns out to work for any other Lexmark printers, please let
me know or update http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood)
Subject: Re: Public license question
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 23:56:29 GMT
Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <0a%D2.70699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: >You just changed your viewpoint from there must be an API compatible
: >alternative library to there must be an API compatible alternative library
: >that implements all of the features of the original.
:
: When did I say "all of the features"? I said it couldn't be a stub that
: doesn't do anything but respond to the API, it must be functional.
For what definition of functional? For the moment, I'll assume
functional means that it doesn't prevent the program from running in a
normal manner. IMO, from the legal viewpoint, the clone library should
not need to implement all (or any) of the features of the GPL'd original.
It just needs to implement the API in such a way that the program
remains functional.
BTW, who (or what) decided that the library must be "functional" in
order for it to count as an alternative to the GPL'd library? I see
no mention of this in neither the GPL nor copyright law's definition of
"derivative work".
I still fail to see how the existence or non-existence of a third
party's library C determines whether or not product A is a derived work
of product B if A & B are linked dynamically (where lib B and lib C share
a common API).
- cls
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Running behind your back: Crontab defaults?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 23:09:07 GMT
In <AVME2.213$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Okay, I found more processes running behind my back. These are at
>/etc/cron.d/Daily
> /etc/cron.d/Daily/40cleandir
> #!/bin/sh
> /usr/sbin/cleandir 10d /tmp
> /usr/sbin/cleandir 30d /var/tmp
Well I suspect you do not want your tmp directory getting all cluttered
up with junk.
> /etc/cron.d/Daily/40logrotate
> #!/bin/sh
> exec /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.d/.conf
Yur logs will eventually take up your whole / directory if you do not
rotate them
> /etc/cron.d/Daily/50update-locatedb
> #!/bin/bash
> # Make/update the file name database
> . /etc/cron.d/lib/functions
> TMPDIR=$(cronloop_mk_TMPDIR)
> declare -rx TMPDIR
> # remove TMPDIR on exit
> trap cronloop_rm_TMPDIR EXIT
> OMIT="/tmp /proc /mnt /var/tmp /var/spool /dev /net /auto /amd /NetWare"
> /usr/bin/updatedb --prunepaths="$OMIT" --netuser=nobody 2> /dev/null
>So could I get rid of all this stuff too?
I would not.
>I don't use locate.
You should. It is very handy. Try it. (Ie, when you want to find a file,
instead of
find / -name wormgear -ls
just do
locate wormgear.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.network,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "Donald T. Major, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with Network Printing. Pleeessse !!!
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:10:58 GMT
Relative newbie here, but I'm betting it's because your /etc/printcap talks
about your network hp printer, but lpr expects to send output to printer 'lp' by
default. In your /etc/printcap, prepend 'lp|' to the beginning of the first line
for the entry of your target printer?
Something else occurs to me -- you should be able to do 'lpr -Php8000n
some.test.file' to actually route something to the printer to make sure you have
everything else correctly set up -- the '-P' option specifies that you want to
use a non-default printer queue.
Again, remember, I'm new at this, but this is what I seem to recall reading...
Kevin Hamilton wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I wasn't sure where to post this
> one.
>
> I hope someone can really help me with this one. I have spent 3 solid
> days trying to set up my linux box (2.0.35 Kernel) to print to the
> offices HP 8000n network printer.
>
> I have isolated the problem to the following: The lpd daemon on my
> linux box spools correctly but does not want to send the print job to
> the Network printer instead it sends the spool job to /dev/lp.
>
> My printcap is setup to tell it explicitly to spool to the network
> printer. I know my network printer is setup correctly because via
> telnet I can send print jobs to port 9100 of the HP. i.e "cat
> filename|telnet 9100"
>
> My question is, what is wrong with my printcap that is keeping it from
> telling my lpd to spool to the network printer.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, considering that I am trying to
> demonstrate that I can provide my office with all their networking needs
> without the need to purchase Windows NT.
>
> Please post response. Thanking you in advance.
>
> The following is a copy of my printcap:
>
> hp8000n|Hewlett_Packard_8000n:\
> :ct=tcp:\
> :[EMAIL PROTECTED]/port_9100:\
> :mx#0:\
> :rw:\
> :rm=hp8000n.bradman-lake.com:\
> :rp=raw:\
> :lf=/usr/spool/lpd/hp8000n.log:\
> :sd=/usr/spool/lpd/hp8000n:\
>
> hp_text|Hewlett_Packard_Text:\
> :ct=tcp:\
> :[EMAIL PROTECTED]/port_9100:\
> :mx#0:\
> :rw:\
> :rm=hp8000n.bradman-lake.com:\
> :rp=text:\
> :lf=/usr/spool/lpd/hp_text.log:\
> :sd=/usr/spool/lpd/hp_text:\
--
.. Donald Major System Developer 677-8000, x6937
dtm sasdtm @ unx sas com SAS Institute Inc http://www.unx.sas.com/~sasdtm/
"Remember those stats that compare the life spans of men vs. women, married vs.
unmarried men, etc.? Has anyone analyzed Mac vs. Wintel users?"-Stephen Yanusz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin)
Subject: network card setup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 03:08:10 GMT
Here is a follow up.
I will put the blanks here.. someone who wants to help me, using the
information below, fill in the blanks.
I am using the 3Com Etherlink III -ISA 3c509b card. (pnp is
disabled)
I login as root
use the pass word..
i get this
[cx252208-1@root /root]#
then i type
netconf
then i go here; (this is where you fill in the blanks....)
Basic Host Information
HOST NAME
Host Name:_______________________
======================== ADAPTOR 1 ======
[__] Enable
Config Mode:________________
(__ ) Manual (__ ) DHCP (__ ) Bootp
Primary Name + Domain:_______________________
Aliases (opt):__________________
IP Addresses:_________________
Netmask (opt):________________
Net Device:__________________
Kernel Module:_______________
i/o port (opt)_________________
irg (opt)____________________
___________________________
next page
___________________________
Name Server Specification (DNS)
DNS USAGE
[__] DNS Is requied for normal operation.
Default Domain:__________________
Nameserver 1:___________________
Nameserver 2(opt):______________
Nameserver 3(opt):______________
Search Domain 1(opt):____________
Search Domain 2(opt):___________
Search Domain 3(opt):________________
___________________________
next page
___________________________
ROUTING AND GATEWAYS
SET DEFAULTS?
OTHER ROUTES TO NETWORKS?
OTHER ROUTES TO HOSTS?
ROUTES TO ALTERNATIVE.... something..
CONFIGURE
___________________________
next page
=====================================================
HOST NAME SEARCH PATH
[ ] Multiple IPs For One Host
---------------------------------------------------
( ) hosts, NIS, dns
( ) hosts, NIS
( ) hosts, dns, NIS
( ) hosts, dns
____________________________________
IS THIS ALL I NEED TO DO ?????
IS THERE ANY MORE??????
Thanks for the help!!!!!
On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 01:26:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin) wrote:
>I just installed Linux, 5.2 kernel 2.0.36 or something...
>
>I disables PnP on the eth0 card...
>
>I still get no light on my cable modem in linux.
>do i enable DNS?
>what order do i do the host, nis, lookup?
>do i use manual, dhcp? what?
>
>
>what (where) are the correct configurations
>
>
>I use netconf in root.
>
>is that right?
>
>
>here is all my info, someone mail me, or post where they go, and what
>i leave blank...etc.
>
>explain it to me like im a 2 year old.
>
>Thanks.
>
>(i do NOT have Xwindows yet either, thats another issue with my video
>settings...)(
>Here we are:
>
>
>IP 24.0.133.50
>Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
>Domain dt1.sdca.home.com
>Host cx252208-a
>primary DNS : 24.0.3.34
>sec. DNS : 24.0.3.34
>
>gateway : 24.0.133.1
>
>is there anything else i need???
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Kevin
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: strange goings on...
Date: 8 Mar 1999 23:13:49 GMT
In <7c0cig$15t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Mosley) writes:
>It all started last friday, ps started to core dump.
>Then I come in Monday and it wont boot, all files in /var are gone, and
>/etc/passwd is now /etc/passwd- !?
I would worry. Either a bad breakin or your disk is failing.
>PS. RedHat5.1 2.0.34 , fully networked...
Have you applied the patches. HIGHLY advisable. HIGHLY.
( get them from redhat.com in updates. Lots of security updates.)
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From: Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: 8 Mar 1999 21:24:01 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> Well said. I like Linux, i use it every day to study and to develop my
> programming skills, but I'm working every day with Inprise Delphi (wich is
> good money). Delphi is just beautifull (the ease to develop high quality
> business apps), but i can't say that to most linux-users i know. They prefer
> to use Gtk wich is good, but can't beat Delphi on application quality. I
> prefer not to discuss development time :-).
>
> Use Linux, use it well. If you are happy with it and your neighbour is happy
> with Windows, who the f*ck carez !!! Get a life ... or something like that.
> Life is more than this you know ...
>
You misunderstand those of us who hate Microsoft. It is not just a case of I like
Linux, thus I dislike winblows. There is more to it than that. This is something
about a bully trying to control a market.
The good ole American dream is killed off when no matter how hard you work some
asshole is going to keep you from making it as good as you should because you happen
to go in something that they want to be the only ones in.
Borland, Digital Research, Sun, Netscape, the makers of the original Internet Explorer
to name a few.
The fact that winblows is a piece of shit is just icing on the cake in our flames.
I use this garbage to earn a living so I know what I'm talking about.
At home I use OS/2 and Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Linux Safeguards for the Consumer?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 23:19:28 GMT
In <01be6960$be9ba1c0$8a97d6d1@sher07> "Benjamin Sher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>1 -- ROOT MODE SAFEGUARDS:
>Are there any safeguards (either command-line or by way of the GUI) against
>accidentally hitting the wrong key combination while in "root" mode? Does
>hitting such a combination of keys really result in destruction of your
>system (as opposed to "merely" requiring a reinstallation of Linux?
I do not know of any way of accidentally "destroying your system" (Ie
destroying harware as well as installed software)
doing rm -f -r /
will do it, but that will just wipe all of your files. With a modicum of
care you are not even going to do that.
>2 -- SHUTDOWN SAFEGUARDS:
>I am planning to buy a battery to protect me from power failures, etc.
>Makes a lot of sense. But what about human error? Inadvertently hitting the
>power button to shut down the system. I understand that fsck or File System
>Checker is the LInux equivalent of Scan Disk. Is it a sufficient safeguard
>against human error?
Yes, that is what fsck is all about. It checks the disk to find what got
corrupted and fixes it. Of course any stuff which was not actually
written to disk cannot be refound. Will fsck fix all problems? No. Can
you if you really try make the system hard to fix, yes. But you have to
try hard. (I would worry more about someone dropping a rock on your
computer)
>I have read that Linux, unlike Windows, runs in "unprotected" mode. What
>exactly does that mean, from a practical point of view? Does that mean that
>the safeguards above do not apply or cannot really be applied to Linux?
Linux is far far safe than Windows. The users are limited in what damage
they can do by the permissions. On Windows any user can in general do
arbitrary damage.
>My decision will depend on the answers I get from you experts.
>Another way to put is: Is Linux ready for the consumer?
Depends on what the consumer wants. For what you want, yes. For all
consumers, no. It is not (although it can be made) a "turnkey" system.
But then neither is Win. Only there it is the computer shop that tears
out their hair.
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From: "Mig Killer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux certification
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:18:30 -0500
I think I'll skip Distributor Certification.
I already have a Dr. GUI Tee Shirt and I'm working on a Linux Straight
Jacket. If you can get a clean compile and get 'something' ... anything ...
to run ... just visit a mental health clinic, get stamped 'certifiably
insane', and the corporate world will accept you with open arms. Trust me.
Gary Momarison wrote in message ...
>Tom Ed White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I'm considering forking out $$$$ for Linux certification ...
>To investigate several alternatives to the Red Hat program, look for
>"certification" in http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/promotion.html .
>
>Before you fork out copious amount of cash, consider asking around to
>determine whether your certification would matter to anybody. The
>people that would be likely to rely on a certificaton, probably have
>no reason to trust Red Hat's program. Word of mouth is highly
>valued. But how do you get started? Just hang out a shingle and
>start selling or get a job in a Unix shop and start learning and
>networking.
>
>--
>Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
>Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
>
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best value in CPU for linux
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:35:44 -0500
Markus Wandel wrote:
> I can't believe how much compute power I got for my buck, all while supporting
> Intel's virtual monopoly. I believe I benefitted from some cut-throat pricing
> policy designed to kill AMD -- who wants a K6 when you can get a faster Intel
> processor for less money? I don't feel entirely good about this but that's
> life.
Don't compare apples with oranges. K6 is a Pentium equivalent,
K6-II is the PII/Celeron equivalent. K6-III is a PIII
equivalent. K6-II and K6-III are now clocking up to 450Mhz.
If AMD goes away you'll end up paying a hell of a lot of money
for the next processor. Do you really believe that's a good
thing?
> My opinion. Like a**holes, everyone has one. Don't flame me if yours
> is different.
Not a flame, I just thought the good folks out there would like
to hear other opinions as well. :-)
--
Ed C.
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