Linux-Misc Digest #496, Volume #19 Thu, 18 Mar 99 01:13:07 EST
Contents:
APM on Gatway Solo 5150 (David Steuber)
Re: 603:Re: best thkb:offline newsreader? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Freecell (Jim McCusker)
Re: Freecell (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Bernd-Ulrich Adrigam)
Is there a good graphical web page editor for Linux? (Scott Kester)
Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Help a newbie (brian moore)
Problem with windows telnet (Hayden)
Re: Security/Password Questions (Vincent Raffensberger)
Re: IPX and remote files... (Jim Richardson)
Re: xanim 2800 and the new indeo codecs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kppp e tin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, Old Hardware, & Y2K (brian moore)
Re: Modem setup question (Michael Powe)
sup server ("Kannan Chairman")
EtherExpress ("Joe Cloutier")
Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment? (brian moore)
Re: 10G disk and fdisk/diskdruid problems (Bill Unruh)
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: APM on Gatway Solo 5150
Date: 17 Mar 1999 17:34:21 -0500
APM doesn't work quite right. If the computer goes into suspend mode,
I can't wake it up. Any ideas? In the meantime, I've dispabled auto
suspend. I also wrote a script that is in my crontab that will
initiate a shutdown if the power drops below 10%
Another question. In order to cut down on noise, I've set the HD to
spool down in the BIOS. I've also changed the update time from its
default of 5 seconds to 10 minutes. Will this adversely affect disk
life? While it isn't spinning as long, it will by cycling.
I also have a habit of leaving the laptop on for days or even weeks at
a time. Has anyone done this? Are laptops up to being up for so
long? I am concerned that the hardware isn't as reliable as a desktop
computer.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
Where was it you said you wanted to go today? Sorry, you can't get
there from here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: 603:Re: best thkb:offline newsreader?
Date: 18 Mar 1999 03:14:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:37:15 +0000,
Miernik, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>"Micha� Kuratczyk" wrote:
>
>> Kevin & Chelby Geiss wrote:
>> >Please tell me there is something as good for linux!!!
>> I use slrnpull to fetch news, and slrn to read. This is very comfortable
>> way to read news off-line.
>>
>
>I've tried, can you tell me how to do it, because my slrn keeps connecting to the
>server instead reading from the local spool...
>Please help.
>
slrn --spool
(I use slrn -C --spool which puts slrn into color mode.)
(assuming that you have told slrn where the spool is in your .slrnrc
file.) the docs for slrnpull go through it pretty well. Or ask :)
>
>--
> _____________________________________________
> Miernik / / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> / / tel.(pager): +48 642 222 864
>________________/___/ http://www.elka.pw.edu.pl/fundusz/miernik/
>
>
>
--
Jim Richardson
www.eskimo.com/~warlock
All hail Eris
"Linux, because a cpu is a terrible thing to waste."
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From: Jim McCusker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freecell
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:53:26 -0500
Jeffrey L Straszheim wrote:
>
> Howdie
>
> So I think that I can convince my wife to start using
> Linux (and get rid of that darn Win95 partition I've
> hanging around) if only I can provider her with a
> version of the game Freecell that runs on Linux. I
> actually found one with the KDE distribution, but
> guess what: she doesn't like it because the UI is more
> difficult than on windows. (Actually she's right, in the
> windows version it's much easier to move the cards
> around and such.) Anyhow, does anyone know
> where I might find this game?
Take a look at the GNOME freecell, or get wine. It runs WinFreecell
perfectly.
My SO had the exact same objection to the KDE freecell, but still won't
switch over. She's now demanding Sim City 3000. That's a bit tougher.
:-)
Jim
--
Jim McCusker | Class of '99, BA Computer Science & Cognitive Science
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://cif.rochester.edu/~fprefect
~Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.~
~~Henry
Spencer
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freecell
Date: 18 Mar 1999 04:17:22 GMT
Jeffrey L Straszheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: So I think that I can convince my wife to start using
: Linux (and get rid of that darn Win95 partition I've
: hanging around) if only I can provider her with a
: version of the game Freecell that runs on Linux.
: I actually found one with the KDE distribution, but
: guess what: she doesn't like it because the UI is more
: difficult than on windows.
GNOME has two options. Called Freecell and AisleRiot. Freecell
behave a lot like windows version. AisleRiot is an entire solitaire
suite. Play everything from Klondike, Yukon, Odessa, Hopscotch and of
course freecell and much much more. AisleRiot (type sol) uses a
windows solitaire interface which requires you to click and drag the
card for all types.
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -La Rochefocauld, Maxims
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd-Ulrich Adrigam)
Subject: Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes?
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:14:51 +0100
ed lepley schrieb in Nachricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In a word that we have learned over and over -- "NO"
<snip>
>
>I really like Linux because it's a challenge but I like support and
>RedHat offered me none in the manuals and their support line.
>
>There are only two ways people learn -- "Pain" and "Money".........
>
>Good Luck
>
>ed
>
Hello,
you should try the S.u.S.E - distribution. Their Manal is quit good!
About the hotline, I can't tell anything, because til now, there was
no need for it. :))
Bernd
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From: Scott Kester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is there a good graphical web page editor for Linux?
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:59:20 -0500
I am looking for a good WYSIWYG web page editor to run on Linux. Does
any one know of one?
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment?
Date: 18 Mar 1999 04:07:14 GMT
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:51:16 -0600,
: John M. Janney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> From all my reading, I get the impression that KDE (for now) is a better,
:> more stable choice for the average user (I want to use my Linux box for a
:> variety of tasks, to include using WordPerfect and other apps).
:>
:> Does anyone have opinions, experiences, ect. regarding these two competing
:> desktop environments?
:>
:> And what about Enlightenment? Where does this come into the picture?
: Well, the trick to getting it is to understand what KDE and GNOME are
: and what they are not.
: Neither is a Window Manager, though they both have a 'preferred' wm,
: you're not required to use it.
KDE prefers KWM, and GNOME prefers Enlightenment, Window Maker, and I
think will work well with icewm.
: Neither inhibits use of other programs or each other's. I sometimes
: run one of the KDE cd players even though I am running GNOME.
I know that some gnome apps need the panel to run.
I personally prefer GNOME, mostly for the look. I dislike qt for both
the way it looks and the license on the toolkit.
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -La Rochefocauld, Maxims
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment?
Date: 18 Mar 1999 04:10:09 GMT
John M. Janney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I just read the article linked from Caldera's web site about why KDE is a
: better choice.
: It stated that GNOME crashed quite often (very unstable) and not to use it
: unless you were a developer or enthusiast.
I've been running GNOME 0.99 and GNOME 1.0x for about a month, with
Enlightenment CVS and Enlightenment 0.15.3. Enlightenment generally
crashes more often then gnome. Infact I don't think I ever had gnome
crash (at least the panel anyways). Occasionally gnomeapps will
crash.
: Although I am somewhat of a Linux enthusiast, I want to "use" my Linux
: machine....
: brian moore wrote in message ...
:>On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:51:16 -0600,
:> John M. Janney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>> From all my reading, I get the impression that KDE (for now) is a better,
:>> more stable choice for the average user (I want to use my Linux box for a
:>> variety of tasks, to include using WordPerfect and other apps).
:>>
:>> Does anyone have opinions, experiences, ect. regarding these two
: competing
:>> desktop environments?
:>>
:>> And what about Enlightenment? Where does this come into the picture?
:>
:>Well, the trick to getting it is to understand what KDE and GNOME are
:>and what they are not.
:>
:>Neither is a Window Manager, though they both have a 'preferred' wm,
:>you're not required to use it.
:>
:>Neither inhibits use of other programs or each other's. I sometimes
:>run one of the KDE cd players even though I am running GNOME.
:>
:>All they are is a collection of programs that are designed to work well
:>together and provide a consistent look and feel. So any of the GNOME
:>stuff will change its appearance when you install a new theme and
:>they'll have icons that mean the same thing and are used in the same
:>way.
:>
:>Which group of programs you choose (or if you mix and match) depends on
:>many things, including personal taste and religion.
:>
:>Personally, I choose GNOME because of the above two reasons. You're
:>free to choose KDE for the same reasons. Or you can install both and
:>choose some parts from some and some from others (I'm tempted to install
:>KLyX, for example, because the XForms based LyX is ugly).
:>
:>--
:>Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
:> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
:> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary
: chain."
:> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi
: Postmaster
--
Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -La Rochefocauld, Maxims
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Help a newbie
Date: 18 Mar 1999 04:56:16 GMT
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:47:15 +0000,
Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> benjamin j snyder writes,
> [snip]
>
> Right,
> I think I've got this all sorted apart from what I put in fstab, I just
> guessed that bit. Here's my fstab file:
> /dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1
> /dev/hda6 swap swap defaults 0 0
> /dev/hda1 /win95 vfat defaults 0 0
> /dev/hdc1 /backups vfat defaults 0 0
> /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 noauto 0 0
> /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0
> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
>
> It's the 3rd and 4th line that I put in, is it OK?
Yep, and you claimed you were a newbie? :)
> The sound saga...
> I still get an error when it attempts to play the sound sample after
> configuration.
What error and what program?
> IRC...
> I had a look at the program IRCII but when I try to connect to
> efnet.demon.co.uk I get an error saying that I can't log in as ROOT or
> something. So I made a new user account thingy and enabled all the
> privileges but when I used that I couldn't get the network thingy up to
> start the PPP connection. Any ideas?
Ah, you're so close.
Because PPP is basically networking, it would be very bad if just anyone
could make networking changes so this is restricted to root.
There are several ways to deal with it though, for a typical home
machine. The three typical ones:
1) 'setuid' -- make pppd itself suid-root, so that when it's run it
will become root regardless of who ran it. You can combine this
with groups (make a group for people who can bring up ppp) so that
not every user could, just those in the group. See 'man chmod' for
the details, or cheat and do: chmod 04555 /usr/sbin/pppd
2) a wrapper like 'sudo' that you can configure to allow people to
execute commands as root that they normally couldn't do. Beats
passing out the root password.
3) su to root, start ppp, then exit back to you. The lazy man's
approach.
> Thanks for all your help so far, hopefully my next post will be from
> Linux!
Wouldn't surprise me.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Hayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Problem with windows telnet
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:09:02 GMT
I'm having telnetting to my linux box with MS telnet (from 95). It's
kinda bizzare in that it connects to the linux box but doesn't show any
output in the telnet window. Typing in the window doesn't show up until
after the connection times out. So nothing shows until after the telnet
connection has been closed by the linux box.
I'm using statically assigned IPs (but there is a dns running but it
doesn't wark as yet, need to read the howto) and I can ping both
machines from each other.
Any ideas?
--
Hayden
"You need an IQ upgrade to use that piece of software."
-- Dogbert
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From: Vincent Raffensberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Security/Password Questions
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:05:49 GMT
I can't answer many of your questions, but I do have a comment: One
great security measure that I recommend is deleting su from /bin (or is
it /sbin?). This will prevent many of the usual hacking attempts (or at
least provide a nice obstacle) and it's not much of an inconvenience.
You can also mess around with the rights for your passwd file. I
haven't done that but I've heard it mentioned before.
Stressed wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm hanging a Linux machine off of the Net. So, naturally I'm reading on
> security/firewall and testing security measures, etc. My question is about
> cracking login passwords.
>
> I've tried a few "password crackers" here.
>
> I took one called "JTR", and used it on my /etc/passwd file in "plain old
> crack" mode.
>
> It almost immediately reports and verifies all accounts that don't have
> somewhat complex passwords. Actually - ones with lousy passwords.
>
> But, my questions is this:
>
> I intentionally put a rather simple password on the root account to see how
> fast these programs might find it. However, even though the root password is
> more simple than the other user passwords - the cracker program has failed
> (after 14 hours) to find the root password. Does the system do something
> "different" to the root password as opposed to other passwords?
>
> I'd also like to know about any "crackers" or the like and/or means of
> obtaining root (especially root) and user passwords from my own system.
>
> NOTE: I am NOT using shadowing to my knowledge, (unless some sort is
> implemented by default). This is a straightforward RHL 5.2 install with no
> bells, buzzers or whistles. Just studying security before I put my thingies
> out there! And for those who care, here is my reason for focusing on passwd
> files:
>
> My friend and I are doing this jointly, (going to serve the www). I logged
> into his Linux machine and DL'd his /etc/passwd file for analysis to prove a
> breach. I then cracked his own "regular user" login info from his
> /etc/passwd file and telneted to his box. I then downloaded all his *passwd*
> files. Unfortunately, during a massive mget, my /etc/passwd file got
> overwritten. Hence, upon reboot, I could not log into my own system without
> repair :-)
>
> Any and all help is appreciated.
>
> JM
>
> P.S. We're documenting everything for public record.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: IPX and remote files...
Date: 18 Mar 1999 05:04:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Mar 1999 00:35:24 GMT,
Walter Strong, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>My eth0 is set up fine, I get the server. However, I can't see the
> network drives and printers. At boot linux claims that
> "remote file systems mounted", but where? It's a novell network, as
>far as I know. I'd just ask the sysadmin, but there's strictly "no
>support" for linux...
>
>Linux seems to probe and successfully find everything at the server
>end, but I don't get to see any of it. Is mounting the network drive
>something like mounting a dos partition? I know that this is a pretty
>loose post, but it seems like I'm forgetting something too basic even
>for the FAQs.
>
first make sure that IPX is running and configured right.
bash>: ifconfig
should return some info on eth0, with a couple of lines refering to
IPX.
bash>: slist
will return the names of any file or print servers (novell)
then you can
bash>: ncpmount -S servername -U username /mount_nfs_drive_here
you will be prompted for a password if required.
man ncpmount, and reading the IPX howtos is a good idea at this point.
anymore questions, ask away.
(Jim, who is happy to get nprint functioning from KDE's little print icon,
and now seeks only for a script to automagically detect if a text file needs
the ^M added for no-stairstepping...)
--
Jim Richardson
www.eskimo.com/~warlock
All hail Eris
"Linux, because a cpu is a terrible thing to waste."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: xanim 2800 and the new indeo codecs
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:59:40 GMT
Hello,
> The new version of xanim was just released and is
> supposed to support the indeo 4 and 5 codecs,
> by using a dll.
>
> Has anyone got this to work?
> If so, can you detail, any tricks?
I just got it to work, but it was hidden enough. Here's
the trick: Check out the readme file for one of the old
modules. You have to do the same ftp business, but a
different directory.
ftp xanim.va.pubnix.com OR ftp 199.170.0.28
user is "anonymous"
passwd is your email address
"type binary" VERY IMPORTANT
"cd dlls"
"get your_needed_libraries" NOTE: the .tgz at the end
"quit"
Then 'tar zxvf' the files you download, and set XANIM_MOD_DIR
to the directory you downloaded them into.
It seems to be working for me so far.
Best,
Tony Darugar
http://binaryEvolution.com/ High Performance Web Programming with Perl and Tcl
http://mywebbook.com/ Free online addressbook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.windows.x.kde,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Kppp e tin
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:34:59 +0100
Does anyone know how to connect to TIN (italian provider that use PAP
autentication)
with Linux SUSE 6.0 and kppp program?
any help will be hightily appreciated.
Thank's Emanuele
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux, Old Hardware, & Y2K
Date: 18 Mar 1999 05:26:10 GMT
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:40:21 -0600,
Eric Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wondering, since I run Linux on an old 486.
>
> Will I have to upgrade my hardware, or is there going to be some clever
> software patch?
> For example: maybe I can set my clock to 1980 and the OS will add 20 years?
Actually, the code looks more like:
if ((rtc_tm->tm_year += (epoch - 1900)) <= 69)
rtc_tm->tm_year += 100;
So it should work fine until 2069. (In short, if the CMOS clock doesn't
have a century flag, when it wraps, Linux will add 100, making up for a
century flag.)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Modem setup question
Date: 17 Mar 1999 20:28:10 -0800
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>>>>> "john" == john xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
john> All: I need some help to make my modem work. I have an ISA
john> modem(Not Winmodem) installed in my old 386PC, and system
john> has 8 mb memory on it. This machine was installed Win95 and
john> modem just worked fine(Not PnP mode). When I installed
john> Redhat 5.2 on this machine, everything seems Ok except modem
john> card. I can dial in to my
john> ISP PPP server and get the connection. Then enter username
john> and password. I got connection and hundreds garbage
john> characters. However, just after a few seconds, I was
john> disconnected and minicom screen said "No CARRIER". Using
john> setserial -a /dev/ttyS3 (I am using port 4, IRQ 3), I got
john> UART 16550A. Everything seems correct, but why I lost
john> connection? Is it possible due to my system memory be too
john> small to cause the problem? This error repeated again and
john> again and really bother me.
Since you can dial out and connect, it's possible but unlikely that
the modem is at fault. You may have an IRQ conflict, however. That
would give the type of behavior you indicate. You can try changing
the IRQ to see if that cures the problem.
Also, since you are dialing a PPP server, you may have only a short
time after connection for your ppp daemon to "talk" to the daemon at
the other end. I'd say "15 to 20 seconds" is damned short time, &
unusual; but it still might be a matter of ALT-Q and getting pppd
running within that short of a time. Tricky.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: "Kannan Chairman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sup server
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:35:41 -0500
Where can I get the Source for sup software (Software Update protocol)
Thanks
Kannan
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:28:11 -0600
From: "Joe Cloutier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: EtherExpress
I recently upgraded my kernel from 2.0.36 to 2.2.3. i had an Intel
EtherExpress Pro/10+ running fine under 2.0.36. Now, that I have upgraded
during bootup I get the message...
monprobe cannot locate module net-pf-4
monprobe cannot locate module net-pf-5
monprobe cannot locate module net-pf-4
...
delaying initialization of eth0
and it subsequently will not initialize my card. This was Redhat 5.2 with a
normal upgrade (not RPM). Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have
exhausted all the HOW-TOs I could find.
Joe Cloutier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment?
Date: 18 Mar 1999 03:34:36 GMT
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:34:12 -0600,
John M. Janney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks...
>
> I just read the article linked from Caldera's web site about why KDE is a
> better choice.
Well, that's their opinion. :)
> It stated that GNOME crashed quite often (very unstable) and not to use it
> unless you were a developer or enthusiast.
But there is no program called 'gnome' to crash, just a whole collection
of other things. 1.0.0 had a few problems (gnome-panel, for example,
would crash sometimes), but mostly worked. 1.0.3 no doubt still has
problems, but they're already much less.
I really like gnomei-panel and find it too useful to give up.
> Although I am somewhat of a Linux enthusiast, I want to "use" my Linux
> machine....
>
> any thoughts...
If you have the disk space, try them both. If not, try neither, or
choose one and play with it for a while, then remove it and try the
other. (Or even just remove the pieces you don't like.) There's no
'rule' against mixing-and-mathhing any more than anything else, and
neither one breaks the other one.
They may all come as a collection of packages, but just because you use,
say, the gnome-panel CD player, doesn't mean you can't use KDE's mixer
with it. It's still rock and roll, er, Linux and X.
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> brian moore wrote in message ...
> >On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:51:16 -0600,
> > John M. Janney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> From all my reading, I get the impression that KDE (for now) is a better,
> >> more stable choice for the average user (I want to use my Linux box for a
> >> variety of tasks, to include using WordPerfect and other apps).
> >>
> >> Does anyone have opinions, experiences, ect. regarding these two
> competing
> >> desktop environments?
> >>
> >> And what about Enlightenment? Where does this come into the picture?
> >
> >Well, the trick to getting it is to understand what KDE and GNOME are
> >and what they are not.
> >
> >Neither is a Window Manager, though they both have a 'preferred' wm,
> >you're not required to use it.
> >
> >Neither inhibits use of other programs or each other's. I sometimes
> >run one of the KDE cd players even though I am running GNOME.
> >
> >All they are is a collection of programs that are designed to work well
> >together and provide a consistent look and feel. So any of the GNOME
> >stuff will change its appearance when you install a new theme and
> >they'll have icons that mean the same thing and are used in the same
> >way.
> >
> >Which group of programs you choose (or if you mix and match) depends on
> >many things, including personal taste and religion.
> >
> >Personally, I choose GNOME because of the above two reasons. You're
> >free to choose KDE for the same reasons. Or you can install both and
> >choose some parts from some and some from others (I'm tempted to install
> >KLyX, for example, because the XForms based LyX is ugly).
> >
> >--
> >Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> > Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> > Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary
> chain."
> > Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi
> Postmaster
>
>
>
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 10G disk and fdisk/diskdruid problems
Date: 18 Mar 1999 05:38:41 GMT
In <7cpe8g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Dave C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>I'm a relative newbie to Linux, but why would you need to create a Linux
>native partition of more than 8GB? The full default install of Linux
No. It was not a Linux native partition of over 8GB, but making use of
all 10GB on th edisk in any way whatsoever. The software only reported
8GB total on the disk. Of course one could just throw away the extra
2GB, but it is certain that in 2 years, everything will need 10GB to run
at all:-<. The system is a dual boot Win98/Linux system (Family and
work).
I personally just downloded Visual Age for Java for OS2, and that is an
85MB zip file, with 250 MB total disk space needed. And that is just one
program!
My son just bought a computer game that wants 1.4GB to install.
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