Linux-Misc Digest #649, Volume #19 Mon, 29 Mar 99 11:13:08 EST
Contents:
cannot boot from scsi drive ("Fr�d�ric Hoerni")
Re: /etc/hosts.deny syntax differs from man pages ? ("Patrick Gibson")
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Alexander Viro)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Richard Steiner)
Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices? (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: /etc/hosts.deny syntax differs from man pages ?
Re: Commercial "rm -rf" recovery services for EXT2? (Martin Dickopp)
Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse) (Martin)
Re: Remove all headers lines except Subject and From? ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux (so many flavours , what's difference?) ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Windows opening with their tops off the top of the screen. (Bill Unruh)
Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices? (Rod Smith)
Digital XP1000 Milo ??? ("Linux")
Re: best offline newsreader? (Bud Rogers)
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From: "Fr�d�ric Hoerni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cannot boot from scsi drive
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:48:53 +0100
hello,
I installed Linux Red Hat 5.2 on my SCSI Iomega 2 GB jaz drive.
I tried configuring the BIOS to boot first from SCSI, then A and C,
but it does not work. I have to use a floppy disk to boot linux from my SCSI
drive.
Do you have any idea why ?
Thanks
Fred ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Patrick Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: /etc/hosts.deny syntax differs from man pages ?
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:01:43 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , Pierre Bodart
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in.telnetd: ALL: (/usr/bin/finger -l @%h | /bin/mail -s %d-%h
> [EMAIL PROTECTED])&
> in.telnetd: connect from xx.xx.xx.xx
> in.telnetd: error: /etc/hosts.deny, line 9: bad option name:
> "(/usr/bin/finger"
> in.telnetd: refused connect from xx.xx.xx.xx
I had similar problems. I'm not sure why that doesn't work, but there are
some better options to use (man hosts_options).
I have the following in my /etc/hosts.deny:
in.telnetd: ALL : twist echo "** Sorry, this is a private system. **"
The "twist" commands passes the connection on to whatever program you want.
In my case, I just have it "echo" a saying to the user.
I also found this to work:
in.telnetd: ALL : spawn (/usr/bin/finger -l @%h | /bin/mail -s %d-%h
[EMAIL PROTECTED])&
Let me know if it works out...
Patrick
---| iThink therefore iMac |----------+
patrick gibson (patrick @ gibson.org)
url: http://patrickgibson.com/
======================| got iMac? |===+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 29 Mar 1999 00:52:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:20:06 +1200,
> Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >o..........Meeting People
>> >o..........Learning an OS, if you are from the MS-DOS world
>> >o..........Finding ported drivers from odd hardware devices
>> >o..........Meeting Chicks
>> >
>>
>> I can't think of a single OS that's good for meeting chicks ;)
>
>Perhaps that's because you use Windows.
ObTTTSNBMIOF: gives a new meaning to "embedded system", eh?
--
There *is* something on port 23 but it ain't TELNET.
Zack Weinberg in Scary Devil Monastery.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:11:06 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
PMFJI: I'm not the original person you desponded to, but some comments
are in order, methinks...
>Making software unintuitive doesn't make it better and doesn't endow
>the user with additional skills. It's just poorly designed from the
>user's point of view.
Don't forget that something which seems unintuitive or "poor design" to
one person might be quite intuitive and useful to another.
Several years ago I collected DOS file managers, and I wrote informal
reviews about them on a local BBS. I had something like 45-50 of them
for comparison at one point (and my collection included various retail
utilities like XTree Gold and Norton Commander, as well as some of the
more well-known shareware utilities of the time like Stereo Shell, dCOM,
ElfTree, Treeview, etc.).
The one thing that struck me while I was looking at these utilities and
using them was how radically DIFFERENT some of the approaches were from
each other.
Almost all of these file managers were intended to give the user a way
to display and manipulate files in a full-screen manner, usually using
the keyboard to move around the filesystem and tag files so one could
perform operations on groups of files. But sometimes the approaches
were so different that it was very hard to move from one to the other.
I usually found, however, that almost all of them had some fairly good
qualities once I got used to the author's assumptions. Sometimes the
ones that seemed the worst at first ended up being one of my favorites.
I ended up registering Stereo Shell after hating in initially.
As Unix users know, the same differences can apply to editors. :-)
>Why do Unix people get so needlessly defensive all the time?
Why do people familiar with the Windows desktop paradigm assume that
Unix users want to use the same type of environment that they do?
Why do they get so defensive when Unix users tell them that their ideas
about "the way user interfaces should be" might not be what WE want?
>Much Unix software suffers from poor usability - not all of it, just
>a lot of it. Now you're telling me that's a good thing?
I'm not him, but it really depends.
One of the cool things about a GUI is that it can be easier to learn if
its well-designed. But the same thing that makes it so much easier to
learn can end up seriously limiting its usability in other ways.
One of the cool thing about a CLI is that it's more easily automated
and more easily used via a network connection (e.g., a telnet client).
But the same thing that makes it easier to automate and use remotely
can make it more cryptic to some not used to the CLI paradigm.
Which interface is "more usable"...?
The answer: each one can be, at least when one is given a certain set
of priorities. There is no "correct" or "better" interface.
>You don't hear me say how stable Win 95 or Win 98 is compared with
>Linux? What's the point in denying the truth?
Because in this case I think that "the truth" is actually a fairly
subjective judgement call.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
If I want your opinion I'll beat it from you. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:42:10 GMT
On 29 Mar 1999 07:13:29 GMT, Michael Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Is it just me, or does anyone else think these things are silly at
>this price?
I'd not say "silly;" I'd simply say "much too expensive."
>For that matter, is everyone too busy thinking, "Gee,
>this is neat, something else that can run Linux" to realize this is
>just expensive proprietary hardware hiding underneath Linux (and a
>somewhat proprietary distribution of Linux at that)?
You're probably right; people are likely being so blinded by the "K001! It
runs Linux!" thing to actually understand what the product is.
>If these things were about half the cost of a low-end PC, I could see
>the attraction, but at these prices I can't see where there's a market
>for these things in either the consumer or business sectors.
I don't fully agree; compare to the LCD monitors that are also awfully
expensive. They can be worthwhile in places where space is at a premium,
and not money.
>With a PC you can get replacement parts just about anywhere at commodity
>prices and use any of the various x86 distributions of Linux. With these
>Netwinders you'll be stuck with having to go back to the manufacturer
>for parts as well to get updates to the Linux distribution.
I thought there was a version of Debian for the Netwinder, but otherwise
agree...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: /etc/hosts.deny syntax differs from man pages ?
Date: 29 Mar 1999 05:31:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nos dec�a Pierre Bodart, acerca de /etc/hosts.deny syntax differs from
man pages ?
>According the man pages, you can also ask tcpd to run a command when a
>rule is valid. E.g. in hosts.deny you can have an entry like :
>
>in.telnetd: ALL: (/usr/bin/finger -l @%h | /bin/mail -s %d-%h
>[EMAIL PROTECTED])&
in.telnetd: ALL: twist (/usr/bin/finger ...
^^^^^
man hosts_access
That's all.
--
Benjam�n Albi�ana P�rez
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux User N�78177
Espacio disponible para publicidad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Dickopp)
Subject: Re: Commercial "rm -rf" recovery services for EXT2?
Date: 29 Mar 1999 10:04:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jon Haugsand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do not know if the inode of a deleted file is zeroed, or just
> marked as unused.
Not only is it not zeroed, it even contains a timestamp which is set
when the file is deleted (`dtime'). So as long as you know _when_
a file was deleted, finding its inode is trivial (for example with
`debugfs', which has a command to list all deleted inodes). Finding
the _blocks_ of the file is of course a different matter.
The `ext2 undeletion HOWTO' describes how to undelete files with
`debugfs'.
Martin
--
_ _ Martin Dickopp
/|\ /|\ Dresden, Germany
-' | `---' | `- eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===+=~~~~~=+=== WWW: http://hep.phy.tu-dresden.de/~dickopp/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin )
Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 99 15:00:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:39:43 GMT,
> JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 1) Most things in life are not free. Period. Final. Indisputable.
>> Then why should software be? Books aren't free. Even if you borrow
>> one from the library, taxes are paid to give one that privilege. It
>
>Bzzt. Wrong.
>
>Free Software (whether the BSD license or the GPL) has -nothing- to do
>with zero cost. Walnut Creek Software makes a good deal of money from
>selling FreeBSD. RedHat makes a good deal of money selling Linux.
>Neither is free as in zero cost, or "free beer".
>
>BOTH are free as in "you can change this code to do what you want".
>Think "freedom" and "free press".
>
..
While it is frequently pointed out that the "Free" in FSF refers to
programming freedom rather than monetary freedom, the terms in the licence do
make it very difficult for the original author of the software to make a
profit out of his/her work. Certainly, they can charge for copies of their
work, but anyone purchasing a copy is then free to redistribute it as they
please so, if it is any good, it will soon find its way out onto the net. In
fact, the terms of the GPL tend to favour organizations like Walnut Creek and
RedHat since people are much more likely to pay for packaged up CD
distributions which require a significant initial investment which the
original author of the software will probably not be able to make...
Martin
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remove all headers lines except Subject and From?
Date: 29 Mar 1999 09:40:52 -0500
oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
oak> Anyone know of a way I can filter out all header lines in e-mail, and
oak> also perhaps newsgroup posts, except for the Subject and From lines?
Lacking any other information, I'd say that 'grep' is definitely the
right tool, something along the lines of
grep '^Subject:|From:' msg1 msg2 ...
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:46:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:58:30 -0500...
..and Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tell that to the thousands of users who every day endure ...<
>
> Hold on a minute ... don't programs crash on Linux?
>
> Besides which, that's not the point. The point is that
> usability seems to occupy very little of a Linux software
> designer's attention. Does it cost $ to make the command
> to install software "Install"?
Issue #1: Namespace pollution. There are at least five package
management systems I am aware of. You don't honestly want to call all
their command line front-ends "Install"?
Issue #2: Proportions. You've got to learn its option syntax anyway.
This will probably take you about 1000 times the effort it'll take you
to memorise the command itself. It doesn't matter much how the command
is called, then.
mawa
--
The people who live in the low-density car-oriented suburbs are often
the ones to whom libertarian ideals are most appealing, despite living
in some of the most governed spaces on earth and liking it [...] I
have christened this "Jefferson's illusion." -- Randolph Fritz
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux (so many flavours , what's difference?)
Date: 29 Mar 1999 09:45:12 -0500
surindersingh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SS> I have some questions:
SS> Q1:Can packages of slackware and Redhat be Interchanged
SS> i.e. compatibility
Slackware doesn't really have "packages". Well, it does, but Real
Slackware Men (TM) compile everything from source. There's also a
program called 'alien' that can translate between different package
formats, though there's no guarantee that what you get out will
necessarily work.
SS> Q2:what is difference in kernels for different Linux flavours?
None. That's what makes them all "Linux".
SS> Q3:What is difference (technical) between Unix and Linux?
Different kernel, possibly different utilities. IMHO it's probably
fair to call the various Linux distributions "Unix", in the same way
that SGI's Irix, SunOS, Solaris, HP/UX, etc. are all "Unix". For the
most part, though, your Linux box will work like pretty much any other
Un*x box.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows opening with their tops off the top of the screen.
Date: 29 Mar 1999 06:17:08 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dan Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>You could try just grabbing a border to move it around. Grabbing a
>corner is for resizing, a side will move the window. Try it. :)
Not in AnotherLevel/fvwm2. All borders, except the title bar resize, not
move.
I still have not discovered te reason for the weirdness. There is no
weird *geometry line in .Xdefault or Xdefault or .Xresources. It is just
some programs which consistantly with the title bar off screen. The
others are fine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices?
Date: 28 Mar 1999 20:37:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I've been hearing about the Corel Netwinder, and the April 99 Linux
> Journal review really made it sound great. So I wanted to look at
> models available, features, prices, etc. I go to:
>
> http://www.corelcomputer.com/
>
> there's just a link to a press release: "Corel Corporation and Hardware
> Canada Computing Close Deal" (and some toll-free numbers to call). You
> follow that link and are not led to exactly a mine of info about the
> Netwinder...
>
> (OK, the company's been bought, blah, blah, blah. Now what about the
> damned machine itself?!)
>
> Or am I missing something obvious?
Hmmm.... I checked it out myself less than a week ago, and had no
trouble finding a price list. That page does say it was last updated on
March 23, so they may have just recently removed the pricing
information. Probably the whole site structure around the Netwinder is
changing, what with the passing of the product line to HCC. BTW, the HCC
logo on the http://www.corelcomputer.com site is itself a link to HCC's
main page, though that may not be obvious.
I didn't save the pricing pages I saw, but I do recall that all the
models I checked out were over $1000, mostly in the $1500-$2000 range.
Equivalent x86 PCs would probably go for about $200-$700 less. I'm
pretty sure these were all US dollars, but if they were Canadian dollars,
it would make the Netwinder much more economically competitive.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: "Linux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Digital XP1000 Milo ???
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:49:20 +0200
Hello,
Does anybody now wat milo image i must use for the digital alpha XP1000. And
where i can get it ??
with kind regards Marco Ruiter
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From: Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 27 Mar 1999 01:17:04 -0600
SpAmEnOt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 16 Mar 1999, Michael Powe wrote:
>
>
> > This sounds like a job for Gnus in `agent' mode.
>
> OK maybe... I'll have to confess my ignorance about Gnus...
>
> Does it require it's users to accept a GUI as their User Interface??
Nope. Gnus is an [X]emacs package. It will run just fine on the console.
Fair warning. If you like emacs or Xemacs, you will probably like gnus.
And after you use it for a while, you'll start to feel sorry for people who
don't know about it. On the other hand, if you don't subscribe to the
church of emacs, you probably won't think much of gnus, either...
http://www.gnus.org
--
Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/twocups.gif
Linux twocups 2.0.36 #5 Mon Mar 15 21:01:56 CST 1999 i586 unknown
1:10am up 11 days, 3:51, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.18, 0.17
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