Linux-Misc Digest #258, Volume #19 Tue, 2 Mar 99 02:13:18 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (William
Burrow)
Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments? ("Jason Naguit")
Re: Appletalk, anyone? (Timo Biesenbach)
Re: System Commander Won't Boot Linux (Pete_katz)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Bill Mitchell)
Re: Cable Modems with Linux ("Jose")
Re: Is there a linux for a palmtop? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Killing Zombie Processes ("John McKown")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("The Infernal One")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("The Infernal One")
Where is Netscape Conference for Linux? (Miernik)
Re: can Linux see windows 95/98 network neighborhood?? (Dave Ringkor)
Re: Linux - install on new G3 Macintosh? Q's... (Pratyoosh)
Re: Killing Zombie Processes (brian moore)
Re: Learning Linux (David M. Cook)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Le petit =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9sus?=)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion ("The Infernal One")
How to build the floppy of LRP (Linux Router Project)? (Dong-Yueh Liu)
motif and leff-tif? (Te-Cheng Shen)
'99 USENIX Technical Conference, June 6-11, Monterey CA (Jennifer Radtke)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 2 Mar 1999 00:43:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 Feb 1999 23:16:48 GMT,
Gregory L. Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Type mount with no options. Example output:
>>
>>[mtrausch@dialup-1-15-pb mtrausch]$ mount
>>/dev/hda3 on / type ext2 (rw)
>>none on /proc type proc (rw)
>>/dev/hda1 on /mnt/w95 type vfat (rw)
>
>Oh, thanks, that might help.
Also, it is possible to specify a filesystem type of auto, and Linux
will try to find one that works. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to
work for DOS disks. At least not today, on my machine.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: "Jason Naguit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarDivision StarOffice Comments?
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:26:18 -0500
>1) Is there any Linux distribution that ships StarOffice Personal edition
>office package with it?
The new SuSE 6.0 (US) release has StarOffice 5.0 Personal Edition. Caldera
bundles StarOffice too, I think.
>2) Are there any other office suites to run on Linux and how do they
compare
>with StarOffice?
I think applixware and wordperfect are the only other office type
productivity packages that I've heard about.
>3) Is it possible to read/import/export MS Word, Excel and Word Perfect
files
>with StarOffice?
You should be able too. I've seen this under 5.0 Personal Edition
You know you can just download a free non-commercial use copy of StarOffice
from the StarDivision website.
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From: Timo Biesenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Appletalk, anyone?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:12:45 +0100
Hi,
I have a PowerMac connected to my Linux machine using AppleShare.
It works like this :
- Compile Kernel with Appletalk DDP support (its enabled in the Networking
section)
- Get hold of the netatalk package, compile it, follow instructions given there
(its the usual configure / make / make install procedure)
- There are two config files for netatalk, samples are provided in the package.
Edit them,
its nearly the same as the exports file for nfs
- Start netatalk up, theres a script to do that. You can put it into your
/etc/rc.d/init.d
directory if it works.
- Now you need to configure the Mac. First, set up TCP/IP and make sure
you can access your Linux Box
Now set "Ethernet" in the Appletalk control panel and make sure its activated
- In the Chooser Application you should see the Linux Box when you click
the AppleShare Icon. You will be able to mount drives and printers.
- If the above works, you can switch to AppleShare IP by deactivating Appletalk
on the Mac and typing the IP address of your Linux box in the Chooser.
You can run Samba, netatalk and NFS in parallel even sharing the same
directories.
I did that in order to exchange files between a PC and the Mac via Linux.
-Timo Biesenbach
Aaron Dershem wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with AppleTalk on Linux? I bought an iMac
> for my girlfriend and would like to connect her to the network. I'm using
> RH 5.2 configured as a server (installation choice).
>
> I notice on boot-up that AppleTalk is started, but can't find any
> documentation on how to configure it. I was having trouble with Samba, but
> read a lot of the manuals and figured it out all by myself (I'm so proud of
> me!), but can't find anything to do with Apple.
>
> Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or post back.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron.
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From: Pete_katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: System Commander Won't Boot Linux
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:46:39 -0800
I'm just guessing but Ive heard that some BIOS's have limitations on how
high a cylinder they can boot from. on one of my systems I have a primary
master 8.4GB with windows 95 and nt operating systems and a primary slave
1.2 GB running RH5.2 the partition that I installed linux to was hdb1 if I'm
not mistaken. I had to go into system commander setup then to add then I
think I used ALT+T to make my root partition bootable and have had no
problem booting linux.
My suggestion would be to install your root partition to hdb1 (I think you
should be able to do this by creating that partition first during the setup)
and see if you can boot from there
GOOD LUCK!
John K. Culver wrote:
> I've RTFM (SC, RH5.2 Install guide, and "Running Linux"), mucked with my
> lilo.conf, and still can't get System Commander to boot linux. Linux
> shows up on the SC boot menu, but selecting it only brings a warning
> that the partition is not bootable. I'm tried making the root partition
> on my Linux drive active/bootable, but nothing has worked.
>
> Here's the setup:
> hda: 8.4G with Win98, entire drive formatted in FAT32
> hdb: 4.3G with Linux only; root partition is /hdb7; one directory is
> formatted FAT16 (extended partition) that I can "see" from either OS.
>
> I had Win98 installed on the "C:" drive, the added a second drive, and
> installed linux (Red Hat 5.2) on the "D:\" drive. When I got to the
> LILO part of the installation, I selected
>
> Currently, to boot linux, I must boot from a floppy.
>
> Here's what my lilo.conf looks like:
>
> boot=/dev/hdb7
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36.-0.7
> label=linux
> root=/dev/hdb7
> read-only
> other=/dev/hda1
> label=dos
> table=/dev/hda
>
> Another clue: my motherboard has the option to boot from the D:\ drive.
> If I try this, I get a warning that no system disk can be found, so
> something is messed up on the mbr/root partition of D: (aka, hdb) -- it
> is not bootable, but when I boot from a linux floppy boot disk, the
> system loads fine.
>
> Any help at all would be appreciated. If I have to reinstall RH5.2, is
> there a way to do it so that I don't loose everything?
>
> JKC
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:14:05 +0000
From: Bill Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash?
Seth Van Oort wrote:
> same thing here. I've had it on other sites as well.
>
> Seth
>
> Wulin Suo wrote:
> >
> > Can someone please tell why when I visit the freshmeat.net with Netscape
> > it crashes all the time?
> > I had that trouble when I use netscape 4.08, and got worse after I
> > installed netscape 4.5.
> > When I check the log file it says "bus error". So far this site is
> > the only place that crashes my
> > navigator.
> >
> > Am I missing some library?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Wulin Suo
I had to give up Freshmeat because of this...unless i want to boot Win95 and
IE4. Ironic.
I read a post a few weeks ago on this that suggested there were just some
library combinations that won't work with Netscape. The author suggested the
answer would be a statically linked version.
Bill Mitchell
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From: "Jose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Cable Modems with Linux
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:29:09 GMT
NAT1000 is now a part of Win2000.
Michael Rowe wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>teddy j wrote:
>
>> 1) We have a cable modem, and our provider sez that it only works on
>> Win95. I've heard that there are ways to get around this so that
>> I can use it on linux. Any ideas?
>>
>
>I haven't figured how to use the Linux box as a router, but I chose to use
>a product called NAT1000 on Windows NT. Basically you place 2 NICs into
>the Windows NT Box and install NAT1000. NAT1000 assumes the job of the
>NIC with the cable IP address and if you have a simple Ethernet 6-8 port
>you can connect several machines. There are many products on the market
>(ie Net32, etc) that you can use to accomplish this task.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Is there a linux for a palmtop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:27:57 GMT
On 01 Mar 1999 11:51:43 -0600, Michael Cheselka
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to run linux on a personal organizer type
>machine:
>
>486, Pentium, or ARM( or anything else, but I hear ARM is thrifty with
> electricty)
>8-32MBs ram
>III PCMCIA HD about 500 MBs
>640x480 screen, color a plus
>AA batteries, but whatever will do.
The Toshiba Libretto is one candidate; the NEC Ready 120LT is a
(slightly larger) alternative.
The common problem with all of the non-IA-32 alternatives is that:
a) They don't tend to have *quite* enough RAM,
b) Vendors have arranged for MS Wince (did I misspell that :-)) OS
support, and thus have *ZERO* interest in supporting Linux.
c) There are various CPUs, BIOS equivalents, and interface
arrangements, perhaps something different for each *model,* and you'll
need to reverse engineer it all for every model that you want to
consider using.
My suspicion is that in another year, there may be a vendor that *wants*
to play nice with Linux (HP and Compaq being good candidates for this);
that is decidedly not the case at present.
--
Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus.
(By [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/pims.html>
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From: "John McKown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Killing Zombie Processes
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:02:59 -0600
Strange. What option did you use with "kill"? The "default" kill signal can
be ignored by a process. I usually follow up a "kill <process id>" with a
"kill -9 <process id>" if the process doesn't terminate in a few seconds.
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From: "The Infernal One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:45:22 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Well, tough. I'm comparing what each one _considers_ to be the operating
>system. If I didn't compare the Windows GUI against Linux CLI, _THAT_
>would be unfair. Why?
> - Windows CLI doesn't have TCP/IP Networking
> - Windows CLI doesn't have VTs (The GUI, in a sense, can simulate
> this)
> - Windows CLI is mostly USELESS. There are features that are in
> the GUI that I'm comparing to the features in Linux.
Linux shells are not operating systems either. A properly configured
Linux system does include GUI. The fact that MS forces GUI upon its
users while Linux provides much of the functionality in CLI doesn't
mean you should compare Windows GUI with Linux CLI, especially when
we're comparing their usability for an average user.
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From: "The Infernal One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:58:13 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Typical users didn't edit those things, just in the sense
>>that Unix users don't necessarily have to write shell
>>scripts or edit complicated configuration files to do
>>their task. The same amount of knowledge of course
>>corresponds to the same amount of expertise, although
>>in Dos/Windows you quickly get to reach the upper boundary
>>posed by the buggy, inconsistent, amd weak nature of the
>>system
>However, we're discussing the average user. The average user has to
>install their own stuff, set it up by themselves, etc. In Windows,
>you don't have to touch a file by hand-- all of the stuff in the GUI
>does it for you. In UNIX, you have to do the same things-- however,
>you have to do it yourself, by hand. Therefore, you have to learn more
>to do something in UNIX than you had to in Windows.
It all depends. I used linux for quite a bit (back in 1995)
without barely touching its CLI. As for Windows 95, I had to
do a lot of manual editing however (config.sys/autoexec.bat
for DOS programs, registry for broken associations,
installation path, etc, etc).
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From: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where is Netscape Conference for Linux?
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:09:34 +0000
I've installed Netscape Communicator 4.5, and in the Communicator menu, the
Conference position is dimmed.
How can I run Netscape Conference under Linux, is there one, has someone run
it?
If not, who can reccomend me a good conference program for Linux, is there a
VocalTec version for Linux?
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From: Dave Ringkor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: can Linux see windows 95/98 network neighborhood??
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:09:12 +0000
> as subject stated, can linux see it??
> if there is some HOWTO, or docs, please direct me.
> thank you
Try smbclient in the Samba package.
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From: Pratyoosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,news.groups.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Linux - install on new G3 Macintosh? Q's...
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:55:51 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For Dos partitions, programs like partition magic are available, which help you
change partition size on the fly without losing the data which is already there.
I never had a mac, but u can look for a similar program for Macintosh. Just
search for partition magic on the net, and probably u can find some help.
-Pratyoosh
Blake Patterson wrote:
> I have a new 400MHz, blue&white G3 Mac. I want to install Linux as a
> 2nd OS. Can I do this, even though the HD is one big Mac partition
> (6GB) - is there a way to safely section off a bit for Linux, without
> having to reformat and loose all? Thanks.
>
> bp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Killing Zombie Processes
Date: 2 Mar 1999 06:08:44 GMT
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 04:13:59 GMT,
William T. Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But this doesn't really kill netscape. Instead,
> a "zombie" process is left, one that eats up
> an incredible amount of memory and cpu time.
> The statistics from running "top" were amazing
> and the xload tool showed maximum
> activity.
>
> I tried eveything I could think of to "kill" it,
> such as finding the process ID and issuing
> "kill xxxx" as root. Nothing worked.
> In the end, I actually had to reboot.
Icky.
> Now there must be a better way round this
> mess. I can't believe that Linux requires a
> reboot to get rid of the remnants of a program
> that crashed.
It doesn't.
First, what you're describing isn't a zombie. A zombie is a process that
is not merely broken, but quite dead already and you can't kill it. (The
parent of the zombie needs to collect the return code from its child and
until it does so, the zombie will hang around the process table.)
Yours is simply a broken netscape.
These can be slightly tricky to kill in that as of Netscape4, early in
the startup process Netscape forks into the web browser you see and a
coprocess that does DNS lookups and such.
You need to kill both of them.
One will ignore you (it traps the signal) and the other will nicely die
when killed.
Look closer next time and you'll see '(dns helper)', the demon (as opposed
to daemon) spawn of Netscape.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Learning Linux
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:49:11 GMT
On 28 Feb 1999 15:31:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>also tried SAMS' 'Unleashed' book, but the writing is terrible, and too
>much of that book is 'How to do this...' I want to know how this works!
>Since I was actually raised on MS-DOS, the command-line is not totally new
>to me, and I have some background in C, just to give you an idea of where
>I'm coming from.
Get _Linux in a Nutshell, 2nd ed._ for reference. It sounds, though, like
you are looking for a book like one of the several on the kernel. I don't
know any of these books, but you might search for "linux kernel" on
amazon.com and read the reader reviews.
Dave Cook
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From: Le petit =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9sus?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: 1 Mar 1999 21:43:04 -0600
Navindra Umanee wrote:
>
> Shyam Govardhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been playing with DB2 on my Linux machine for a while now and I
> > am very impressed with it. I think that it would be really good if IBM
> > could port Visual Age for Java to Linux. If this were to happen, then
> > the Linux community would obtain a sophisticated IDE for JAVA and I also
> >
> > think that it would increase the popularity of DB2 on Linux.
> >
> > This is my opinion... What do you all think?
>
> I don't think anyone really cares. Those IDEs are too complicated!
>
Speak for yourself. I sure love the Visual Age for C++ I have for Winblows and OS/2.
Can't wait to see the one for Linux
--
Tired of Windows' rebootive multitasking?
then try Linux's preemptive multitasking
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From: "The Infernal One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:11:46 -0800
Francois-Rene Rideau wrote:
>Indeed. The problem is in the programming language.
>Requiring the system programmer to emulate, by hand, in C,
>a strongly typed concurrent agent programming model,
>and shooting him if he makes the slightest mistakes,
>is not only a REAL STUPID design decision, it's also deeply EVIL.
>The solution is, again:
> to achieve a system that follows the above mentionned model,
> use a strongly typed concurrent agent programming language! [duh!]
So I assume you're against OS-level memory protection
as well? After all shouldn't they be enforced at the
compiler level?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dong-Yueh Liu)
Subject: How to build the floppy of LRP (Linux Router Project)?
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:16:38 GMT
I try to build the boot floppy of LRP. The download page in
the homepage of LRP list the files should be copied into the
floppy:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38733 Jan 18 19:47 etc.tgz*
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 4528 Jan 18 19:45 ldlinux.sys*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340759 Jan 18 19:46 linux*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 610 Jan 18 19:47 log.tgz*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 767147 Jan 18 19:47 root.tgz*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 139 Jan 18 19:48 syslinux.cfg*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 781 Jan 18 19:48 syslinux.dpy*
But in the main FTP site of LRP, I only find some files with
.lrp file extension. I found files such as etc.lrp, log.lrp but
no etc.tgz* log.tgz*. Which files should I download to create
bootable floppy disk? Can anyone explain me? The
documentation is not clear to me. Thanks!
Dong-Yueh Liu
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From: Te-Cheng Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: motif and leff-tif?
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:17:15 -0700
Hi, there
I do not where to post this message. Do not angry if I put it in the
wrong place :-))
I am using RedHat 5.2 with KDE 1.1.
My question is that I wish to develope some program using X windows
graphical environment, to make it short, GUI. I just wonder if I use
les-tif instead of Motif( too expensive!!), can I port my program to
different X window environment without modification, or only less than
5% modification?
If my program is developed with les-tif and can run flawlessly on
KDE + XFree86, does it mean my program can run on other Lunix, like
slackwre, with fvwm or CDE + Xfree86? Or it has nothing to do with
les-tif?
Thanks s lot
Shen
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jennifer Radtke)
Subject: '99 USENIX Technical Conference, June 6-11, Monterey CA
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:28:24 GMT
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