Linux-Misc Digest #313, Volume #19 Fri, 5 Mar 99 05:13:14 EST
Contents:
Linux Versions ("Helmut Nachbauer")
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Mike Hom)
Re: Linux VERY slow to boot ("Craig Shields")
scsi cdrom seen by bios, not by linux (Mike Hom)
Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 (Devan Willemburg)
domain name question (Donald)
Linux networking nukes kernel of SCO box. (Craig Macbride)
Re: Fonts and StarOffice 5.0 (Jason Abate)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Maury Markowitz)
LOCAL: Red Deer, AB, CA Linux Users Group mailing list (James Bourne)
Re: newbie questions (David M. Cook)
Re: diald vs. pppd (David M. Cook)
Re: Problems with Chat Script/pppd/diald on RedHat 5.1 ... (David M. Cook)
Re: OS with a seamless object model (Craig Kelley)
Re: Help,Modem (Collin Park)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (lordathenry)
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From: "Helmut Nachbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Versions
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:44:01 +0100
Hi,
I would like to try linux - yes ! but ...
there are different linux versions like S.u.S.E, Debian, RedHat....
furthermore with various Version-numbers ...
Please help me !
With which Linux Product should I start ?
What are the major differences between the miscellaneous products ?
thanx a lot !
cu, helmut
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Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
From: Mike Hom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:43:12 GMT
check out a real DOA at www.psychosis.com/doa to see
how to make a dual Celeron go to 500MHz each
for a total of 1GHz.
GBP wrote:
> >
> > the only chips i hear of that can be is celeron but besides that.... the
> > chip is not made to be over clocked..... if it was supposed to be over
> > clocked it would RUN at THAT SPEED not 50-100 MHz slower
>
> Its called multi tier pricing, and this isnt the only industry that does
> it. I means packaging essentially the same product two ways (or more)
> one for poorer people, one for richer. Some people will always want the
> better product and a are willing to pay more, since money is no object.
> So company X can jack the price on widgets up 25% and call them super
> widjets. But other people just can't afford the super widgets, and
> company X wants to sell to them too, even though they cant pay as much.
> So they sell "budget widgets". Both are just widgets made in the same
> plant. They dont want people to buy super widgets to know this, or they
> wont pay extra, so they create the fiction that bugjet widgets are
> somehow inferior. Lots of people will still buy the "inferior" budget
> widgets, beacuse they want widgets and thats what they can afford. They
> wish they could get super widgets but that doesnt stop them... budget
> widgets are better than non at all right???
>
> In this case intel used 18 micron technology to make Celerons .. so they
> can run hotter than the older inferior 25 micron P2's. They are
> essentially dumping the celerons on the market at no profit to hurt AMD
> their only real threat. They intend to make all their money on the
> "high end" PII's even though the P2's are almost exactly the same they
> cost 2-4 times more!! The P2 is the "super widget". They developed the
> 18 micron manufacturing plants to make the upcoming P3 and beyond, but
> since the design wasnt ready yet they knocked off some Celerons while
> they were waiting.
>
> Personally i dont feel comfortable overclocking. But i can say that i
> should be almost impossible to melt a celeron due to the 18 micron
> design, and low offical clock speeds. The fast that Intel has been
> trying to devolope mechanisms to stop overclocking almost proves that
> its possible... For example due to design you cant run a celeron 300A
> at say 366, you have to go all the way up to 1.5x at 450mhz.. which
> actually works for a lot of people i hear! The P2-450 is like $500 a
> celeron 300A at 450 is $95 :) So lets say you burn one, your still $300
> ahead if the second one works, the odds are on the hacker's side here.
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From: "Craig Shields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux VERY slow to boot
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:33:54 -0500
>It's a DNS lookup problem.
>Enter your IP's in /etc/hosts, and set /etc/host.conf to "order hosts,
bind".
Can I enter both of my IP's so that I don't have to change it manually each
time? If not, is there any other way of doing this?.... i.e., some utility
I can install.
One other option I have is to get my NIC ethernet address registered on our
DHCP server. Would this be the easiest way?
Craig
>
>--
>Erik Hensema ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
From: Mike Hom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: scsi cdrom seen by bios, not by linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:58:08 GMT
I have a PC I've been tasked with setting up Linux on and I'm stuck.
The Adaptec 2940UW finds the Matshita CR-506 in its bios scan
but when Linux installation probes the 2940 it only sees hda (HD)
while OS/2 sees it fine. I tried passing max_scsi_lun=6 and changing
the 2940 bios configurations but nothing. Dejanews shows that others
have installed on this cdrom but I can't. Help?
Mike
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From: Devan Willemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:32:50 +0200
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, kernel wrote:
)regoltd wrote:
)>
)> I have recently installed RedHat 5.2 and am new to Linux. I have previously
)> tried Slackware and liked the way the directories and other files were in
)> colours and the normal text type files were white. I prefer the RedHat to
)> the Slackware because it is easier for me to use until I get use to Linux.
)> Can I do this with RedHat 5.2 and how do I do this.
)> M. Rego
Try adding the alias: alias ls="ls -l"
to your .bashrc file... then type "source .bashrc"... that should have you
seeing groovey psychodelicness all over your screen (:
Cheerz
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From: Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: domain name question
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:49:01 -0400
I was wondering how people on irc set their domain names to whatever
they want. i.e.: when doing a dns or whois on someone, the domain looks
like my.comp.org or shut.up.com or whatever. Does anyone know how to do
it? or a site that shows you how to do it?
Thanks
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Linux networking nukes kernel of SCO box.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Macbride)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:06:37 GMT
Easy way to crash SCO OSR 5.0.5 kernel:
1) Attach Linux machine to network, with lpd pointed at SCO box.
2) Wait about 2 hours.
3) SCO kernel panics with trap type E in kernel function tcp_linput while
running lpd.
(In particular, this happens with 5.2 Redhat running 2.0.36 Linux kernel
and SCO 5.0.5 with rs505a and app477a loaded.)
I'd like to request that Linux developers try to nuke Windoze boxes
and leave SCO boxes alone. :-)
--
Craig Macbride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=======================http://amarok.glasswings.com.au/~craig===============
"It's a sense of humour like mine, Carla, that makes me proud
to be ashamed of myself." - Captain Kremmen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Abate)
Subject: Re: Fonts and StarOffice 5.0
Date: 4 Mar 1999 14:39:02 GMT
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 07:34:57 +0100, Kai Schnabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>I'am using SuSE Linux 6.0 Kernel 2.0.36
>I want to use Staroffice 5.0 for presenations. The Large fonts are
>*very* ugly. I suppose they are scaled. How can I get my system to
>generate (or where can I get) larger Fonts and get SO to use them?
>I have installes the 100pi fonts as well as the 75dpi fonts. My desktop
>resolution ist 1152x864 on a 17" monitor. I could change to 640x480; but
>that is not what I want...
>Any suggestions?
I've been wrestling with this problem myself. StarOffice comes with
some Type 1 fonts that scale well. Timmons is a replacement for times,
and Helmet replaces Helvetica. The trick seems to be that StarOffice
only uses these if it doesn't find Times or Helvetica first in your
X font path (I'm not sure if this is an X issure or an SO issue).
But, if you move /usr/local/Office50/fonts/type1 to the front of your
font path (either in your XF86Config or temporarily by doing
xset +fp /usr/local/Office50/fonts/type1) these fonts should be
available
There is a section in the documentation on font problems and how to
install additional fonts. I've only looked at this briefly, but
it seemed like it would be helpful.
-jason
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Jason Abate [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ticam.utexas.edu/~abate
Texas Institute for Computational and Applied Mathematics
304 SHC, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712
Work: 512-471-6947 Home: 512-912-1012 Fax: 512-471-8694
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maury Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:18:40 GMT
In <xEkD2.6809$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christopher Browne wrote:
> The IronDoc <http://www.best.com/~mccusker/irondoc/irondoc.htm> OODB
> seeks to provide something like this; you open a document as a database,
> thus tying data to a "file." Applications then manipulates data through
> the DB API, and essentially write straight through to disk. No need to
> load/save documents; you really just "attach" to them.
EOF also is worth looking at. Although it's not offered as the same sort
of thing (ie, they don't push it as the basic document storage system) when
combined with a db library like OpenBasePersonal you end up with
effectively the same thing. You make your EOF model of the objects, set up
the db in OB, and it just kinda works, the records "become" objects. Not
nearly as free-form as Fe, but interesting in it's own right, notably when
you consider it works against other db's at the same time.
Maury
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bourne)
Subject: LOCAL: Red Deer, AB, CA Linux Users Group mailing list
Date: 5 Mar 1999 08:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've proposed the setup of a LUG in the Red Deer, Alberta, Canada area to
promote Linux awareness and to give personal users of Linux somewhere to get
information and support. To date there has been some interest and I've
setup a mailing list for discussion of the formation of a LUG.
To subscribe,
send E-mail to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the words
subscribe rdlug-list
in the body of the message.
Initially, it will be a forum to discuss the setup of the LUG, but also it
will continue to be used to discuss Linux issues and support for new users
in the area and serve as a medium for announcements to members.
If you want to help out in the formation of the LUG, or just become a member
of the LUG and be an innocent bystander, subscribe to the list.
Regards
Jim
--
James Bourne | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Affinity Systems Inc. | WWW: http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca
Everything Unix | Linux: The choice of a GNU generation
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Unix System Administration, System programming, Network Administration
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: newbie questions
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:05:23 GMT
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 03:38:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I installed red hat 5.0 (i know 5.2 is the current version, but 5.0 came with
>the book i bought),
You should get the updates at updates.redhat.com. 5.0 had a lot of bugs.
>using the default values for monitor rates and such.
>Everything seems ok, but in x-window; the desktop/workarea seems like twice
>what is visible on my monitor. For example, I have to scroll way down to see
I suggest running Xconfigurator and choosing just one resolution/color
depth.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: diald vs. pppd
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:54:34 GMT
On 04 Mar 1999 18:04:17 -0500, Conway Yee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was reading the documentation for pppd. It appears as if it is
>capable of bringing up a ppp connection on demand. Then the question
>becomes. What are the essential differences between diald and pppd?
Last I remember looking into it, pppd didn't support demand dialing for
dynamic IPs. The thing I like about diald is the way you could control the
connection via a named pipe, and I like the tk monitor/control app that
comes with it.
However, using a cable modem is much easier than either ;}
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Problems with Chat Script/pppd/diald on RedHat 5.1 ...
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:56:28 GMT
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:06:57 -0500, Eli White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I've been having a problem with my chat script I am trying to use to
>automate connecting to the net through diald.
Make sure you have an /etc/ppp/options file. It doesn't need to have
anything in it, it just needs to be there.
Also make sure you have the defaultroute option set.
Dave Cook
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS with a seamless object model
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Mar 1999 10:44:42 -0700
Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> CK> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> REL> Roger Espel Llima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: Microkernels...
>
> [About a system allowing the user to seamlessly combine components]
> CK>As far as I'm concerned, [UNIX] *is* a computerized lego:
> CK>cut -f1 -d: /etc/passwd | tail +15 | sort | uniq | mail -s "here's our
> CK>user list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> REL> Exactly. Traditional Unix programs and utilities are lego-able objects
> REL> at the command-line level.
>
> What when a program has two outputs or two inputs?
This happens all the time:
strace myprogram 2>strace.out >myprogram.out && ( grep blah strace.out |
[your first pipe continues here] && grep foo myprogram.out | [your
second pipe goes here]
Of course you can use all sorts of variations on the above. If a
program has many outputs, then they usually provide a mechanism for
specifiying these. I admit, its not pretty -- but a wonder API is
usually a lot worse. One input/ouput covers most situations just fine,
and when dealing with more you will ether have a specialized
application or you will be jotting things in a script anyway.
> The pipe only handles linear expressions? Too baaaaaaaad!
> Oh, sure, you can do named pipe, and in a relatively portable way,
> now that most significant unix ports have more-or-less POSIX semantics.
> Named pipes are a mess to use without race conditions? Sooo baaaaaaad!
Not if you use the POSIX-defined methods for creating them. If some
bloke always uses /tmp/mypipe, then he is a bad programmer-- UNIX
doesn't stop you from doing this (and I would wager that any OS design
you could come up with would still allow race conditions -- either
that, or your system would die a quick, facist death). Every database
(which are usually designed with transaction processing in mind) that
I can think of has the potential for a race condition if the user
doesn't follow the correct semantics.
Just because you rename a file to 'persistent object' doesn't change
the fact that a meaningful token must name it and that that token
cannot be used by others.
> And every program in the pipe must marshall/unmarshall data using
> ad-hoc techniques in the absence of a standard representation?
> And every program has its own incompatible set of command-line options?
> And the way things are documented is inconsistent between programs?
If one has multiple programmers developing for a system this WILL
happen -- I don't care how Well Thought Out the API and the style
guide are. On the other hand, UNIX is ideal for sharing information
with outside systems: When we recieve our claims data from EDS every
month, the ASCII files are massaged into useful information via these
tools. And that *is* what computing is all about, being useful,
right?
> Pardon me, but even if files and pipes
> (and ptys, and sockets, and other devices, etc)
> were a satisfying programming paradigm (and they are NOT),
> the Unix shell way to access them is not quite seamless.
> Perl makes it *much* better, but is not very interactive.
> I remember a time, when I didn't know UNIX, but had heard of it,
> when I invented a syntax for a shell that would extend COMMAND.COM
> with multiple input and output pipes for asynchronous communication.
> Well, UNIX just doesn't have anything like that.
Named pipes? Shared memory? Threads? The right tool for the right
job? KISS?
> Files suck anyway. While 80% of UNIX code deals with files, opening them,
> creating them, marshalling them, unmarshalling them, doing gobs of
> error-checking (or sacrificing chicken so that errors do not happen), etc,
> all these operations are NOPs when you use an orthogonally persistent OS.
> Eumel did that in the early 1980's on commodity hardware.
> An HP 48 calculator does that, too.
> Anyone interested in getting 5 times more productive?
On an HP 48? No thanks. I think I'd have some problems importing the
gigabytes of data I have to deal with on a weekly basis.
> I also know of LISP Machines, where you could click anywhere on the display,
> and browse and edit an OBJECT, without having ANY application-specific code
> to achieve that: just everything was an object (ever heard of CLOS?),
> and when you displayed an object, you didn't just display
> a bitmap representation of it, but the object itself.
>
> HP48 calculators also share this everything is an object approach,
> and although they don't provide the same power as LISP Machines,
> and particularly not easy multiprogramming, they are quite nice beasts.
Sounds a lot like GNOME/gtk.
Sounds a lot like Java.
Sounds a lot like many things which do not an OS make (least of all
things which a uK would inherently facilitate...)
UNIX is *not* the end-all of your system while running it; if you
prefer, think if it as your DOS and MM. As the saying goes: Emacs is
my operating system. BSD is just the bootstrap.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin Park)
Subject: Re: Help,Modem
Date: 4 Mar 1999 07:23:22 GMT
[posted & mailed]
Allan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I'm using RedHat 5.0 ,I've got my modem all set up.
: 2 Problems
: The first is that I've got pulse lines and not tone lines,can anyone
: teach me how to set my modem to dial on pulse?
I had this exact problem! Arrived at the hotel, connected
the computer to the phone line, and ... the phone expected PULSE
not TONE.
On RedHat 5.0, maybe you are using "dip" to dial out?
The nice way is to get the source, alter some initialization string, and
recompile with the new string.
Here is what I did:
Edit "dip" (/usr/sbin/dip? - not sure, i'm writing this from work)
using emacs. Turn off case-fold-search, and find a string that
has "AT" (no quotes) in it. The string has a blank or two in it;
replace the blank with a "P" (for "pulse"), and save the file as
/home/yourname/bin/pulsedip or something like this.
To make sure only that one thing changed, I suggest you do something
like:
od -xc `which dip` > /tmp/orig.dip.od.out
od -xc /home/yourname/bin/pulsedip > /tmp/pulsedip.od.out
diff /tmp/orig.dip.od.out /tmp/pulsedip.od.out
If you're using something else to talk to the modem, you want to
find the "ATT" or "ATDT" string and replace by "ATP" or "ATDP".
As above, if there is no "ATDT" then if you can insert a "P" after
the "D" then you should be OK.
: The second problem is that there doesn't seem to be a Html browser in
: linux itself,now if I want to download the Netscape Communicator package
: from linux,how do I go about doing that?
I would try something like
ftp ftp.netscape.com
Alternately you could install the lynx package (there in RH5.0 yes?)
and use it to access http://www.netscape.com/ and follow links.
-collin -- NOT speaking for my employer, no warranty express or implied, etc
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:58:02 -0500
> Well, in linux I can use bg and fg to move processes from
> the background to the foreground and vice-versa. In OS/2 I
> can run a text-mode shell like TSHELL to select between...
Well, whatever shell you choose, you can still invoke Task Manager
via CTRL-ALT-DEL. This allows you to swtich between tasks. Don't
tell me this simple bit of functionality is enough to win you over
to NT? I suspect, rather, that you're trying a bit of "pimple-based
technology evaluation", which means that, rather than looking at
which OS fulfils your needs or carrying out cost-benefit analysis,
you're trying to discredit one based on its blemishes. No-one in
their right mind is going to install NT then set about disabling the
user interface. If you want a command-line oriented OS, install
Linux.
Harry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lordathenry)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:09:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:15:12 GMT whilst I was contemplating my navel
,[EMAIL PROTECTED] burbled something like:
>I think the remainder of the post was sarcasm, but I wouldn't swear to that.
>I will ask this, though: Why is the OS not on a Flash ROM in the machine? I
>power up, I'm sitting at a logon prompt within seconds, and there's no chance
>of botching the core OS. Still updatable...I dunno.
I used to have an old Toshiba T1000 (Sounds like a Terminator!) that
had no hard drive, just a ROM with a DOS 3.3 installation. One 720k
Floppy drive and a nice small LCD screen. :)
Instant boot, and very stable.
I know MS were looking at similar systems as part of the Instant-On
initiative (This was known as On-Now back in 1995 when I first heard
about it)
But I think they had a problem with it being too stable for a MS
product :p
Lord Athenry
"Since he had my daughter,
He's had trouble passing water...."
<Take out the papers and the trash before replying>
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