Linux-Misc Digest #335, Volume #19 Sat, 6 Mar 99 17:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Public license question (Christopher Seawood)
Reqs for a Linux router (Edward Murrell)
Fundamental Linux Install/Troubleshooting Training (Gregor Strassburger)
Problem (Norbert Kraiczy)
Re: G3 PDS card usable? (mac 8100 ppc...with 3rd party accel.) (Steven Kan)
Re: How to build the floppy of LRP (Linux Router Project)?
Re: Celeron 400 (Mircea)
VQF for Linux... (Brian Woo)
Re: More bad news for NT (Anthony Ord)
Re: More bad news for NT (Anthony Ord)
Re: swapon -s: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory (Juergen Heinzl)
How to install Apache 1.3.4 + SSL OVER 1.3.3 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (Alexander Kalinin)
Re: More bad news for NT (Craig Kelley)
Re: Berkeley DB (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: damn bastards (Rulecoyote)
adding fonts (jas shultz)
Re: Xwindows too BIG (Terry Davis)
Berkeley DB (Milos Prudek)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood)
Subject: Re: Public license question
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:03:56 GMT
Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <8%YD2.70611$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >
: >If another non-GPL'd library could potentially be used instead of the
: >GPL'd one, then his work isn't dependent upon it. But what you're saying
: >is that the mere potential isn't enough. So what if someone provided a
: >dummy libreadline that contains all of the hooks and public API needed
: >to use the program w/o using libreadline? The mere existance of this
: >dreadline should not determine whether or not the program in question
: >is dependent upon readline.
:
: If this "dummy libreadline" doesn't actually do anything, then no one would
: actually consider linking against it to make the program do what it's
: supposed to do, so it's irrelevant.
You just changed your viewpoint from there must be an API compatible
alternative library to there must be an API compatible alternative library
that implements all of the features of the original. You're also assuming
that the library is an essential piece of the program. I specifically
picked readline because it's not essential to the working of any program
I've seen it linked against. Even in the case where the library *is*
essential to the program, the clone library isn't required to implement
every single function of the original library. For the longest time,
lesstif was not as complete as motif but yet people were claiming that
motif-linked GPL apps were legal because you could drop lesstif in as
a replacement. The case of using an incomplete dreadline library is
not any different.
: We're talking about a situation where
: someone distributes a program that has to be linked with a GPLed library in
: order to function properly. If the program were linked with dreadline it
: wouldn't do so, and the documentation would presumably not mention this as
: part of its installation instructions. Someone would have to create a
: functional replacement for libreadline, and then the program would no
: longer be effectively derived from libreadline.
The incompleteness of the alternative library shouldn't affect the
question of where the program was derived. Would the author of the
program be at fault if the user runs the program against readline 1.0
which presumably is missing features and has bugs? No, they wouldn't.
Similiarly, if the user runs the program against dreadline which contains
void functions or minimal functionality, the author should not be fault.
Those situations are usage issues not copying issues and therefore are
not covered by copyright law.
: >I think this is a case where the ambiguity of copyright law wrt software
: >works against the goals of RMS. Rather than ignore the ambiguity or
: >say that a certain action is against the "spirit of copyright law",
: >perhaps the GPL should explicitly close that loophole.
:
: Using what mechanism? The GPL is only enforceable by virtue of copyright
: law. Although it refers to itself as a license, I suspect that it would
: be considered as unenforceable as a shrinkwrap license. But copyright law
: provides the basis for setting restrictions on copying.
True but no one said you had to rely solely upon copyright law for the
terms of your license. For instance, the newly released QPL specifically
mentions linking and therefore removes the cloud of confusion that we
are currently experiencing. Granted, in the future, the term "linking"
could become outdated due to some new advance in software development
but it closes up the loophole today and is definitely more up to date
than copyright law's interpretation of the situation.
The alternative is to accept that dynamic linking of GPL'd A and non-GPL'd
B is not prohibited by neither copyright law nor the license (since the
license relies upon copyright law).
: All that RMS is doing is claiming that two activities should be considered
: legally equivalent if they're functionally equivalent. Dynamic and static
: linking are functionally equivalent if there's no alternative library,
: hence the resulting program should be considered a derivative of the
: library in both cases.
Ok, he thinks they should be but as it stands, they aren't so distributing
a program dynamically linked against readline should be perfectly legal
(if not acceptible) regardless of the existance of an alternative library.
- cls
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From: Edward Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reqs for a Linux router
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 08:51:14 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Heya,
Within a few weeks the amount of computers in my home is going to go up
to three
and occasionally peak at six, that will all at some point require access
to the net.
To this end I have acquired all the parts for a Linux box,
The big question is, will it be fast enough? The serial ports are full
speed 16500A UART
and the network card is 10 mps, however, the rest of it is still a 486
Dx2 50 with 8 megs
of ram on an ISA bus. All I plan to do is get it to dial up on command
to my ISP and run I.P.
masquesrading for all the other computers through the modem. Do I need
to purchase more in
the way of hardware or is it adaquate?
Cheers
Edward
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From: Gregor Strassburger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Fundamental Linux Install/Troubleshooting Training
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:25:21 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings!
As Linux knowledge is getting increasingly important...
I'm wondering whether there is some lecture/lab, instructor based
training course available for fundamental Linux knowledge like
installation, basic configuration, troubleshooting, e.t.c. If not this
media, maybe some CBT or other selfpaced - except the books that are
available in masses...?
Any input highly appreciated!
Gregor
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From: Norbert Kraiczy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:31:52 +0100
Hi,
When I'm run fdisk then I see following:
[Wenn ich fdisk starte und p (print) waehle sehe ich folgendes:]
/temp/hda1/ .....................
/tem/hda2/ ........................
/temp/hda3/ ................
etc.
[Was ist passiert und wie komme ich zurueck zu:]
What's happend ? What is the best way to following (true) parameter:
/dev/hda1/ .....................
/dev/hda2/ ........................
/dev/hda3/ ................
etc.
Norbert
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From: Steven Kan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: G3 PDS card usable? (mac 8100 ppc...with 3rd party accel.)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:17:35 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeffrey Buchsbaum wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I am the lucky user of an 8100 - 100 with a G3 Newertech PDS
> upgrade card that is running at 240mhz with a 160mhz 1mb cache.
>
> Can I put a linux on this box AND get the use of the pds card.
>
> Anyone done this?
I've done this on a 6100 with a Newer210 card. You need to change the
load order of the extensions. I got these instructions from somebody
else:
I made a duplicate of the MkLinux Booter extension and used ResEdit to
make it a type INIT, then renamed it with a coupla spaces in front so it
boots early, but right after the MAXPowr extension.
Then I took the original MkLinux Booter extension and used ResEdit to
make it a type ????. According to something that someone emailed me, the
system needs to find a file called "MkLinux Booter" [no spaces] in the
Extensions folder otherwise it will hang. So I took the original MkLinux
Booter and made it a type ???? so that it would be ignored by the boot
sequence.
I left the MAXPowr extension as is. Good luck! Lemme know if it works.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: How to build the floppy of LRP (Linux Router Project)?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:57:55 +0000
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:16:38 GMT, Dong-Yueh Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I try to build the boot floppy of LRP. The download page in
>the homepage of LRP list the files should be copied into the
>floppy:
>
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38733 Jan 18 19:47 etc.tgz*
[etc]
>
>But in the main FTP site of LRP, I only find some files with
>..lrp file extension.
.lrp files are in-fact .tgz files under the covers. Just use the
files you've got. The way things work seems to have changed and left
the documentation behind.
Neil
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.misc
Subject: Re: Celeron 400
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:38:32 -0500
Ummm...are you kidding? Sure they're locked. The C300A is locked at
4.5x, therefore 4.5x66=300, or 4.5x100=450. The C400 is locked at 6x, as
in 6x66=400, and it's very unlikely to see 6x100=600 :(
Michael Lee Yohe wrote:
>
> >Has anyone overcloked them on a 100Mhz bus (I assume to 600Mhz) ?
>
> People have clocked them on a 100MHz bus. But, Celerons (unlike Penitum
> II/III's) are not clock-locked. Thus, you can run the Celeron 400 @ 4 X
> 100MHz = 400MHz. The Celeron 300A was pushed to 450MHz because the core of
> the Celeron 300A was very similar to the 350/400 Pentium II's. This goes
> the same for the 400MHz Celeron's. You might see 450MHz - but beyond that
> you're asking for major problems.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Woo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: VQF for Linux...
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:05:11 +0000
Hi all,
Is there a VQF player for Linux? There are several MP3 players out
there for Linux but I can find one which also supports the VQF
format... Thanks
Regards,
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:09:44 GMT
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:10:16 -0600, "Jon Wiest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Tim Kelley wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Are you familiar with the kill command?
>
>
>Yes, but no keyboard response means no consoles so the kill command wouldn't
>help.
Have you tried adding a "killall X" (or whatever works on your system)
command to gpm?
Incidently, does anyone know if there is a way of moving to a certain
virtual console programmatically? I.e. "vt 1" will make virtual
console one the current console.
>Jon
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:09:43 GMT
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:27:03 -0500, Yan Seiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>And, most importantly, our server has not crashed in over two weeks. With NT, it
>was a regular (every other day or so) occurence.
Two weeks is not really significant for either Linux or NT. Wait until
you could have had a baby in the time Linux has been up - then
celebrate. ;-)
Regards
Anthony
<snip>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: swapon -s: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:11:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dieter Rohlfing wrote:
[...]
>I have the proc filesystem installed, but no entry /proc/swaps. Where is
>the switch to get /proc/swaps? TIA.
man swapon
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.rpm,alt.os.linus,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: How to install Apache 1.3.4 + SSL OVER 1.3.3
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:06:28 GMT
Hello,
I am a linux/apache newbie. After reading a number of messages
regarding this, I am confused. I am currently running RH5.2 with
Apache 1.3.3. I have apache configuration files that I have
tweaked (virtual servers, etc.) and am quite happy with.
I would like to upgrade the Apache 1.3.3 to 1.3.4 + SSL
_in the easiest manner possible_ and retain my original
*.conf configuration files. I have never compiled apache
before, as it was installed with the redhat distribution.
I need to have both HTTP and HTTPS functionality.
Would anyone be kind enough to give me step-by-step
instructions on what packages I should download, and what
to do in what order? I don't want to screw up my apache 1.3.3
in case the 1.3.4 upgrade is unsuccessful...
Thanks very much for your patience everyone!
-SS
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From: Alexander Kalinin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 21:22:01 GMT
In comp.unix.questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
date is the basic command. ntpd is more advanced way. If your machine isn't
connected to the network constantly you can use ntpdate instead either
manually or from cron-script.
> How does one change the date for a Unix/Linux machine? Answers
> will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> --Will
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 05 Mar 1999 14:13:47 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Beta was by far the supirior format and to this day is in wide spread use.
> The better does not always win the war. The fact of the mater is. Beta was
> more expensive to produce, and in the day of the format wars, when VCR's
> still cost an arm and a leg. And video's were still pricey.... This was a
> substantial factor. I own a large digital recording studio to this day see
> beta come in on work prints as well as masters. Keith
Ack! NO!
I think Godwin's law should be ammended to include BetaMax.
Please don't start another "Well, actually Beta was blah blah blah"
thread. I don't know if I can take it! :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Berkeley DB
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:23:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Milos Prudek wrote:
>How do I find out what version of Berkeley DB is installed on my Linux?
See the db.h include file ... DB_VERSION_MAJOR etc.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rulecoyote)
Subject: Re: damn bastards
Date: 6 Mar 1999 21:29:33 GMT
My sound sample of Linus Torvald saying
Linux sounds like leenicks to me.
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From: jas shultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: adding fonts
Date: 6 Mar 1999 21:31:34 GMT
How do I add fonts? The fonts that come with it are boring, I'd like to be
able to add more.
Jas
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From: Terry Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xwindows too BIG
Date: 6 Mar 1999 21:31:38 GMT
Thanks for the quick response...
I tried 1280x1024 (which is what my monitor docs say it will do at 60HZ.
No improvement. I then tried alt cntl plus and it had NO affect then
alt cntl minus also with no affect, nada , zip zilch. I wonder
if there is something more sinister wrong. By the way Xwindows looked
fine with my original installation of Red Hat 5.2.
Thanks
Terry D.
Mike wrote:
> what resolution are you choosing when you run Xconfigurator? it sounds
> like 640x480 which will be huge on a 17". Try 1024x768 or if you have
> several resolutions available Ctrl-Alt-+ like the other poster said
> HTH
> mike
>
>
>
> On 5 Mar 1999 23:31:37 GMT, Terry Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Another newbie here. Sorry if this is stupid.
> >
> >I'm running Mandrake 5.3 with a 17" Sony monitor with a graphics
> >
> >card with a Riva 128 chipset.
> >
> >I start X windows with startx. The problem. Everything is huge ie.
> >
> >the mouse pointer is the size of my thumb and everything reaches outside
> >
> >the boundaries of my monitor. Moving or resizing various applications
> >
> >doesn't bring them fully into the screen area. I've tried various
settings
> >
> >by running Xconfigurator, editing XF86Config to get my exact monitor
> >
> >specs and nothing seems to work. I have searched everything that I can
> >
> >think of. Any help will be sincerely appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Terry D
> >
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From: Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Berkeley DB
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:03:54 +0100
How do I find out what version of Berkeley DB is installed on my Linux?
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