Linux-Misc Digest #259, Volume #20 Wed, 19 May 99 06:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: PPP Madness (Ian Briggs)
PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, v1.4.0 released (Robert Osterlund)
Re: Some Common Questions (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Calendaring (Christopher Browne)
Re: Netscape 4.51 suddenly exits ????????????? (Neil Zanella)
DB2 installation fails with glibc >= 2.0.7 is needed (Richard Walter)
Re: Ken Thompson on Linux (Neil Zanella)
Re: Funny problem with 'date' (L J Bayuk)
Re: DDS-3 DAT drive (Rod Roark)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?) (John
S. Dyson)
The World Wide Expo 1768 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need help setting up system. (Bev)
Kernel upgrade ("Morten")
Re: Calendaring ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery (The Man)
Re: Silly Question (olivier eymere)
Re: /usr/sbin/in.identd missing? (Bill Unruh)
hostname and /var/log/messages (hudini)
Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Drive Image? (Chris Sorenson)
Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1 (Fred Kuipers)
Re: Kernel upgrade (brian moore)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Subject: Re: PPP Madness
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:33:12 GMT
Michael Rathburn wrote:
:have used thier scripts done it manually and allsorts of wierd things have
:happened all I want to do is use my linux machine to learn about unix step
:by step but it seems you have to read more crap than a Philadelphia lawyer
:on a case with no precedent !
Nurse! We need more medication here! :-)
First off, I notice you have a Freeserve email address. If it's
Freeserve that you're trying to hook up to, then a rummage back through
the last couple of months in freeserve.help.unix and uk.comp.os.linux,
will reveal that many others have been reduced to tears by their inability
to get any kind of sensible connection to Freeserve (although most of the
problems seemed to resolve themselves about a fortnight ago). Also, I
understand the PCPlus scripts use scripted authentication, but Freeserve
apparently support CHAP only.
:I have bought 2 books and
:BTW I have read the man pages and it still wont work
If you haven't already found it, can I suggest Bill Unruh's "How to hook
up PPP" (at <http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html>) which is a good
step-by-step approach to building up a set of working scripts.
And, if you think the problem is at Freeserve's end, there are other free
ISPs in the UK.
Good luck.
Ian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Osterlund)
Subject: PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, v1.4.0 released
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:13:56 GMT
PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, version 1.4.0
HIGHLIGHTS: introduced a new config file, files.cfg, for managing
any system (text) file (e.g., /etc/inetd.conf, /etc/syslog.conf,
/etc/sudoers); much improved security via user-configurable
service access parameters and server-client callback; dozens of new
validation self-tests; bug fixes
"This is by far one of the most interesting/powerful tools I have
seen for Linux administration... an extremely interesting tool."
--Kurt Seifried, Linux Administrators Security Guide
(https://www.seifried.org/lasg)
PIKT is an innovative new paradigm for administering heterogeneous networked
workstations. PIKT monitors systems, reports problems, and fixes those
problems automatically whenever possible.
PIKT uses an embedded scripting language that sports an especially clean
syntax and introduces unique features to make your programming easier.
PIKT is also a sophisticated script preprocessor and control mechanism for
managing all of your administrative scripts. You can, setting aside the PIKT
language, even use it to version control, install, error log, and schedule
programs written in other languages, as well as to employ macros, meta-
comments, and C-like #if, #ifdef, and #include directives in Perl, AWK, etc.
PIKT is distributed under the GNU General Public License. Available now
for Solaris, SunOS, GNU/Linux, and now also FreeBSD. For more info, and
complete source code, documentation, and data files (all 40,000+ lines of
it), please visit the PIKT Web site at:
http://pikt.uchicago.edu/pikt
--
===============================================================================
Robert Osterlund, Unix Systems Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grad School of Business, U of Chicago phone: 773/702-8898
1101 E. 58th Street, #309, Chicago, IL 60637, USA fax: 773/702-0233
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Some Common Questions
Date: 18 May 1999 23:49:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curt Corum wrote:
> RealPlayer5.0 - how to get it to work from a user account, I'm assuming
> there must be some file permission problems? I't works fine (through a
> firewall even) from my root account?
I believe that it uses /dev/dsp. Check that device's permissions:
perhaps you need to put the allowed users in some group (e.g., "audio").
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Calendaring
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:04:45 GMT
On Tue, 18 May 1999 10:36:30 -0600, Stan Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I need to know if there is an application on Linux that would allow calendar
>sharing. I have a bunch of users running Windows 95/98 using Outlook 97.
Plan has been doing this for a goodly five years; I expect that Ical
does the same, and reasonably like for the same scope of timeperiod.
>ps Please reply to my email instead of the group.
Thanks, but no thanks...
--
"What you end up with, after running an operating system concept
through these many marketing coffee filters, is something not unlike
plain hot water." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/pims.html>
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.51 suddenly exits ?????????????
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 03:16:34 -0230
Has anyone tried Netscape 4.6?
I heared there were lots of improvements to the code, making Netscape
Java 1.1 compliant, faster, smaller, and with less bugs.
I wonder how it compares to 4.5.
On Fri, 14 May 1999, Andy Piper wrote:
> Julio De Gregorio wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >I installed Red Hat 6, Netscape 4.51 works fine, but when I try to open
> >a page that includes some Java, Netscape suddenly exits just after
> >printing
> >'Starting Java...' in the status bar.
> >
> >What can I do????????
I suggest looking at <http://www.netscape.com/> and seeing if 1.1 works
better for you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Walter)
Subject: DB2 installation fails with glibc >= 2.0.7 is needed
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:37:47 GMT
Hi all,
i wanted to install DB2 UDB 5.2 on SuSe 6.1( i have installed the Gnu
C++ compiler, i think glibc is a part of the compiler, but i�m new
with linux) and i got the error message:
glibc >= 2.0.7 is needed by db2cliv50-5.20-2
How can i find out, which version of glibc is installed on my linux,
because i don�t know, whether the problem is at the linux or the DB2
side?
Best regards
Richard
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ken Thompson on Linux
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 03:01:42 -0230
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Peter Rodriguez wrote:
> Rob Fisher wrote:
>
> > go into Windows? It's okay for if you want to dash off a quick Word
> > document while your new code compiles, but it's never going to help
> > Linux conquer the desktop is it? Most desktop users /only/ want to use
> > Word.
> >
> > Rob
For that matter, there is much better and more expensive commercial
software out there than plain "word". If a company is into spending
so that they can produce high quality documents then they are more
likely to purchase Adobe's Publisher. Most downloadable documents
around the web are in .pdf format, a format that can be read on
virtually any platform. And, for those of us running Linux, there
are great things like pdftex and xpdf so that we may convert and
use the .pdf format. And Adobe's products run on Linux too, for
those who want to invest.
On the other hand, many everyday users don't care if it's word or
wordperfect they're using cause they're more or less the same.
I know of many businesses running word perfect instead of word.
And plus, if I really needed to run a windows application I could
just use a VNC server so that I didn't have to leave Linux's
wonderful cut and paste abilities etc. See
<http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/index.html> to see what the
giants of the future have brought to us.
It seems like most good technology has been traditionally developed
on Unix systems, starting with AT&T Bell Labs's early releases of
Unix. Nowadays, AT&T is still leading the way in computer development
with its wireless networks technology which, no doubt, will run on
Unix/Linux systems (or does it already?).
And let's not forget that languages like C, C++, Fortran, Tcl/Tk,
etc... as well as Apache, were all developed on Unix/Linux.
Developers are attracted to Unix because of the large amount
of software it provides that other OS's don't provide, and
it's developers that lead the way; ordinary desktop users follow.
Developers are always coming up with new innovative ideas. Many of
these developers use and will continue to use and develop for Unix/Linux.
Sometimes it's even enough to put something new and different on the
market and people will like it and buy it. As people become computer
literate their willingness to try new things like Linux grows.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Funny problem with 'date'
Date: 19 May 1999 01:03:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I was messing around with 'date' at home lately and came up with the
>following messages.....they seemed a little bizarre!
>
>
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:12 >cat /proc/version
>Linux version 2.2.7 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version egcs-2.90.29 980515
>(egcs-1.0.3 release)) #1 Thu Apr 29 21:36:51 IST 1999
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:16 >date
>Thu May 13 01:06:21 IST 1999
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:21 >date --date yesterday
>Thu May 13 01:07:26 IST 1999
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:26 >date --date "1 day ago"
>Wed May 12 01:06:30 IST 1999
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:30 >date --version date
>(GNU sh-utils) 1.16
>[stardestroyer][andrew] ~ 1:06:33 >
>
>Anybody else have the same kind of output? - It doesn't bother me much, as
>I don't actually try to find yesterdays date, but the output puzzled me!
Looks OK except that "--date yesterday" isn't accepted, and for some
reason it is taken as "1 minute ago". I agree it is weird.
How about this, which works: date --date "1 yesterday"
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: DDS-3 DAT drive
Date: 18 May 1999 21:47:47 GMT
Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What's the secret to getting a DDS-3 DAT drive to work with linux?
>I've tried reading/writing tapes with Redhat 5.2 and Redhat 6.0
>using an HP and a Seagate drive without success.
>
>When I try to read/write tapes, I get:
>
>tape read error: Input/output error
>
>I've compiled SCSI tape support into the kernel (tried both 2.0.36 and
>2.2.9) and made sure the device files (/dev/nst0 /dev/st0) exist.
Check the boot time messages (dmesg); does anything acknowledge the
existence of the tape drive? Is your SCSI controller recognized?
Any chance of a cabling/termination error?
-- Rod
======================================================================
Sunset Systems Preconfigured Linux Computers
http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
======================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: 19 May 1999 00:23:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> John> There is no centralized Linux-based OS development
> John> organization actually controlling Linux kernel based OS
>
> Correct. That means that it is available in a variety of formats,
> thereby servicing a larger audience. When FBSD blew up my system
> during an attempted install, I had one option -- try linux. When
> Really Horrible 5.1 blew up my system the same way, I went to
> Slackware and got right back up.
>
So, does that mean that you have to try lots of alternatives of
Linux to make it work? A little bit of support from other FreeBSD
people would likely have solved your problem (modulo unsupported
devices.)
>
> FBSD is dependent on the whims of a committee. Yeah, that's an
> improvement. "Fundamentally more fragile" is actually meaningless.
> You can be the strongest OS on the block and if nobody knows it -- who
> cares?
>
That is the biggest (only) problem with FreeBSD -- FreeBSD people
generally eschew advocacy, and has been a point of contention for quite
a while now. Mindless advocates are often ignored, and therefore they
find other things to support (e.g. Linux.)
>
> John> FreeBSD development is oriented towards the users who
> John> contribute, either in the sense of positive criticism, or
> John> code contribution. Alot of FreeBSD work is embedded, alot
> John> is inter-networking, and some is office-networking.
>
> Which is a roundabout way of saying it's really a "hacker's OS" -- but
> I don't actually think that's true.
>
That is *simply* not true. Positive criticism can also include
CDROM purchase :-). FreeBSD is an OS that is responsive to the
userbase needs, but hasn't been very focused towards business
(office) apps. Maybe FreeBSD doesn't believe in fighting a war
based upon anti-Microsoft hate.
>
> John> Linus is the czar of the kernel only. His decisions don't
> John> necessarily show sensitivity to the needs of at least one
> John> large class of users (out of psuedo-asthetic reasoning.)
> John> Give me a *competent* committee with a structured
> John> organization for an entire OS, over a single kernel hacker's
> John> control -- anyday.
>
> Right, a committee of which you happen to be a member. Your
> implication that Linus is incompetent is stupid on the face of it.
> But, I know it's just your usual trolling.
>
Well, it is apparent that you aren't up to date, and I am NOT a
member of any FreeBSD committee. This is very typical of the
uninformed, and shows that people often have opinions based upon
content free facts. I am not trolling, but if what I say hurts
your feelings, it is best to say that your feelings are hurt, rather
than rationalizing some kind of uninformed position.
>
> I actually have nothing against FBSD. It happens not to be my OS.
> And I think a lot of so-called linux advocates are immature morons.
> But I also think that most of the FBSD users I've encountered -- in
> magazines and online -- are smug Silicon Valley yuppies whose class
> prejudice is most clearly brought out when they come into contact with
> a T-shirted linux user.
>
Firstly, I am not a silicon valley yuppie. Seems that there is class
prejudice somewhere, but it is best to look at where it really is. Note
also that it seems that a Linux T-shirt is from the same kind who in
previous generations would have worn Spock-ears. It is like seeing the
same thing over and over again. From generation to generation, there are
so many revolutions alledged to be based upon innovation and revolution,
and are really sheep being managed by a sheepdog.
>
> In
> large part, I think that's because you're just too shirty to get out
> and associate with the "masses."
>
I don't associate with trekies, bikers, criminals and other strange
groups. That doesn't mean that they are bad, but there seems to be
an excess of those classes of people lately. It is probably indicative
of recent societal problems.
Most of the "masses" that I have known are quite down to earth, but the
wierdos do tend to have a myopic view of reality, and mutually reinforce
strange values. Spock-ears and Linux tee shirts seem to have alot in
common. Within those groups, things might seem normal, but to the outside
world, they do look a little "interesting."
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.lynx
Subject: The World Wide Expo 1768
Date: 18 May 1999 22:45:29 GMT
ngrihwfolww
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help setting up system.
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:34:50 -0700
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
K G Tee wrote:
>
> The sequence to install a dual-boot system will be first to install Windows
> and then RH 6.0, after allocating the two partitions. There isn't any
> complication about that. The LILO boots Linux by default.
>
> Installing Linux first and then Windows, will make Linux "vanish".
>
> theoddone33 wrote in message <7hkrhi$6ic$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > I just ordered RH 6.0, and I'm getting a 10 gig HD in a few weeks. Right
> >now, I've got a 240 meg HD running slackware 3.5. I want to split the 10
> >gig into 2 5 gig partitions with windows on one and RH on the other. From
> >my limited experience installing windows, I'm assuming it will only install
> >itself in the first partition. Is this correct? Also, I read in Linux
> >Journal that LILO can load windows. I would like RH to load by default,
> >even if windows is in the first partition and I want to put LILO in the
> >Master Boot Record. Is there anyone who knows how to do this that would
> >like to explain it to me further? Specifically, I need help with getting
> >LILO to load windows. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Just for curious, why do most people use lilo rather than loadlin, which
merely requires that you type 'win' or 'linux' at the C:\> prompt and
leaves the MBR untouched?
--
Cheers,
Bev
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince
parasites that they are victims." --Thomas Sowell
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From: "Morten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel upgrade
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:57:36 +0200
Hi!
I'm trying to upgrade my existing kernel 2.0.34 to version 2.2. I've
configured my new kernel using "make menuconfig". Since I'm very new to
linux it has been quite difficult to figure out what to choose - so maybe
I've selected too much...? Anyway when I try to use "make zdisk" or "make
zlilo" I get the information that the size of my system is 553 which is too
much.
How can I make it smaller?
BTW: I have used "make dep" and "make clean" after I configured the kernel.
Thanks in advance.
Morten
PS: What is the major differences between version 2.2 and 2.3?
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Calendaring
Date: 19 May 1999 05:54:50 GMT
In article <N6o03.11012$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 May 1999 10:36:30 -0600, Stan Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I need to know if there is an application on Linux that would allow calendar
>>sharing. I have a bunch of users running Windows 95/98 using Outlook 97.
>
>Plan has been doing this for a goodly five years;
Great tease. How is one supposed to look up a computer program named "plan"?
>I expect that Ical
>does the same, and reasonably like for the same scope of timeperiod.
Hotbot finds Interactive Collections Availability List
(some kind of botany index). And an IETF draft about calsch-ical,
and an Inventory Calendar. Mostly dead links.
One at a school called Loramie looks promising, says it's an Ical Tutorial,
but it's only a picture of a calendar with all links password protected.
I get it, this is some kind of contest, like a treasure hunt.
I think I'll write a program named "the"; nobody will *ever* be able to
find it.
Cameron
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From: The Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:01:13 GMT
Thanks!
In article <7hs4sl$f47$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <7hr072$mn8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> The Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I recently upgraded from kernel 2.0.36 to 2.2.3. I have the
following
> > questions:
> > 1) With kernel 2.0.36 my parallel port/printer is detected at
> /dev/lp1,
> > and at /dev/lp0 with kernel 2.2.3. Why?
>
> I ran into this too going from 2.0.36 to 2.2.8. Since 2.1.138,
> there is a new way of detecting parallel devices. If you bulit
> the kernel, you will see that there is a new device call parport.
> My printer didn't work and it took me about a day to figure out why.
> The new support is nice, once I bulit the right stuff into the kernel,
> Linux detected my HP 5P Laserjet via PnP! Pretty sweet.
>
> Adam
>
> --
> All people are born stupid and some stay that way.
> Adam Leinss - Circa 1998
>
> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
>
--
Linux Rules!
Meet the Penguins at:
http://www.linux.org/
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:11:41 +0000
From: olivier eymere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Silly Question
John Hong wrote:
>
> Which one of the dist's is the best at upgrading? Like, if you
> have RedHat 5.1 on and then get 6.0, is it simply smooth sailing or is it
> too much trouble? I've seen the upgrade option on the Redhat install
> process, this is why I'm asking. Or, does such a thing exist since
> changes happen so often? I particularly like SuSE, second for me would
> be Redhat, and third is everything else.
My experience with both RedHat and SuSE is that upgrades are pretty much
like any other operating system. Some have gone so smoothly you wonder
if you have even changed anything and some were completely toast. I
have seen the same thing with Solaris, AIX and Windows.
What it often comes down to is the things you have added in yourself.
The operating system upgrade is fairly basic but those changes can play
major havoc on programs you have installed. This is especially a
problem with major library changes where old programs can break
completely. If you have not installed much on your own your chances are
better than if you have installed a lot.
Back up first and be prepared to either restore your old system or start
over with a fresh install. Most of the time it is reasonably smooth but
you never know.
Olivier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/in.identd missing?
Date: 19 May 1999 06:14:59 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jeffrey Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Can anybody explain what in.identd is for? I've tried using man but can
>not find anything about this.
man in.identd
Certainly exists on my system. (However if it was not installed on yours
then you prob also do not have the man pages.
DESCRIPTION
identd is a server which implements the TCP/IP proposed
standard IDENT user identification protocol as specified
in the RFC 1413 document.
identd operates by looking up specific TCP/IP connections
and returning the user name of the process owning the con-
nection. It can optionally return other information
instead of a user name.
I have never found a use for it. I comment it out of /etc/inetd.conf as
a potential security hole with no use for me.
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From: hudini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hostname and /var/log/messages
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:02:16 +0000
/etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost linuxbox
/etc/HOSTNAME
linuxbox
/etc/sysconfig/network
...
..
HOSTNAME=linuxbox
...
...
At the prompt when I type 'hostname' I get 'linuxbox'
Yet in my /var/log/messages... shows up as localhost.
If I switch linubox and localhost in /etc/hosts does the trick, but then
netscape and other apps take a long... long... time to load... I imagine
b/c they can not resolve the hostname....
I know I have seen screenshots w/ /var/log/messages revealing hostnames
with names other than localhost....
How do they do it? Thanks...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Proper use of /usr/local (Re: The Best Linux distribution?)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:45:37 GMT
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>snip<
: I want to be able to mkfs the system partition, install something
: entirely different and lose a minimum of my own local programs.
No problem.
: How long does it take to select every individual package you want?
Not long, really.
: How do you know what you want if you don't load them all and try them out?
There are currently 2308 ports publicly available for FreeBSD. Do
you really think anyone is insane enough to install a few *gigs* of
software just to "try them out"?!
And, even if you do, removing the junk later with `pkg_delete
foo-x.xx' couldn't be more trivial. Since pkg_delete also checks
dependencies, you don't run the risk of messing up some other piece
of software that you do want.
Oh, ya, I forgot. You like to blow away the package database...
>snip<
:>What difference are you seeing between packages and things you need to
:>maintain yourself? The way I see things, they are one in the same. The
:>only software I don't expect to "need" to maintain myself are system
:>binaries, which is precisely what's installed in /usr.
:
: There are times you need to be ahead of the distribution with bugfixes or
: new features. In these cases you expect the next system upgrade to
: include what you needed, so these don't really need to be maintained on
: your own in the long run.
The *system*?! This isn't Microsoft. OS distributions, esp many
of the Linux ones, have a hard enough time just maintaining the
*system*, let alone *thousands* of other software packages.
No. *You* expect that and maybe Linux users in general expect that.
Practically no one else does, however.
: The things you really need to keep separate are the ones that will always
: need local tweaks, like amanda with it's patched gnutar and smbclient (at
: least until someone comes up with useful defaults for binaries),
Have you seen the patch system of ports? Maintaining local patches
("tweaks") is trivial *within* the public ports system.
: and locally developed programs.
/usr/local/my_random_junk or $HOME/bin
Is it really so hard?
>snip<
: I think of /usr/local as *my* space to install things, and Iexpect things
: to stay there regardless of distribution updates.
No problem. No distribution of anything we've been talking about
messes with /usr/local.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
My code is filled with comments! It's just that my comments are
written in Perl.
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From: Chris Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Drive Image?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:57:32 -0500
John Hong wrote:
> Curious, has anyone used Drive Image by PowerQuest to backup their
> Linux drives?
No, but I have used Partition Magic (also by PowerQuest) to create, move, and
resize Linux native and swap partitions, and to make copies of fat16
partitions, and it's worked perfectly every time. I was fairly impressed. If
they say that Drive Image can handle Linux, I'd be inclined to believe 'em...
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From: Fred Kuipers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:33:52 GMT
Does somebody want to make it available for the rest of us?? :->
Eric Fierke wrote:
> You can't download it. It is currently only available on the Applications
> cd that ships with Red Hat 6.0
>
> Eric
>
> > Does anyone know where I can download the new glibc 2.1 star office that
> > susposedly comes with RH 6.0?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade
Date: 19 May 1999 06:40:45 GMT
On Wed, 19 May 1999 07:57:36 +0200,
Morten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> PS: What is the major differences between version 2.2 and 2.3?
At this point? Not much. But 2.2.x is 'stable' and 2.3.x is
'development'. If you install a 2.3 kernel, you're expected to
subscribe to the kernel mailing list and not whine if all your data is
destroyed (ie, it's not intended for mortals).
Stick with the 2.2 series unless later development brings in something
you absolutely need.
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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