Linux-Misc Digest #642, Volume #20 Tue, 15 Jun 99 08:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Filename for File descriptor (J Wunsch)
OPL3-SAx sound card and Linux ("Astratinei Ligius (A.L.C. soft)")
Q3Test runs in Window..slowly (David Tansley)
Re: WIn 95 printing over SAMBA ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (John Garrison)
difference between 'buff' and 'cached' in top + free + /proc/memstat (Marc Mutz)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("test")
Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux and Alternative Operating System Web Portal ("test")
Re: Reattaching orphaned interactive processes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Commercially speaking....? (John Garrison)
Re: Need compiled version of imm module for Zip drive ("Ron van Middendorp")
Re: RedHat 5.2 (where to get apache 1.3.6 rpm?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Filename for File descriptor (J Wunsch)
General protection during access mem via kernel (Overmars)
Re: DOSemu setup in RH6.0 (Latenar)
Re: DOSemu setup in RH6.0 (Latenar)
Re: kernel panic: No init found. THANKS STAROFFICE! (The Damons)
Re: Which Databases are available for Linux (Sean Yamamoto)
Re: This is what I WANT to do (Latenar)
editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("Gabriel/TSS!")
Slow sendmail setup at boot time (Jete Software Inc.)
Re: /etc/termcap question (Floyd Davidson)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("Brian")
Re: Which Internet Service Provider is especially Linux-friendly? (Latenar)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Wunsch)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.misc,comp.os.linux.developement.system,de.comp.os.misc,de.comp.os.unix.programming,de.comp.os.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Filename for File descriptor
Date: 15 Jun 1999 09:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Wunsch)
I wrote:
> Virtually impossible. There's not even a guarantee the file does
^^^^
filename
> exist:
--
J"org Wunsch
"Verwende Perl. Shell will man koennen, dann aber nicht verwenden."
Kristian Koehntopp, de.comp.os.unix.misc
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From: "Astratinei Ligius (A.L.C. soft)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OPL3-SAx sound card and Linux
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:05:32 +0300
I just installed Slakware a year ago, and still haven't been able
to use my soundcard (the cheap ISA, Yamaha OPL3-SAx) properly. I found out
that I had to load linux through msdos (loadlin), after runing the
setupsa.exe program. I have modified the pnp file, but still, when I try
to play mp3's, the sound is loud and unintelligible. Could anyone send me
his/her pnp file, or some kind of solution? Please reply via my e-mail, I
can't check the news everyday.
Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Tansley)
Subject: Q3Test runs in Window..slowly
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:23:22 GMT
I have a Creative Labs Banshee graphics card and I'm using the latest
Banshee/Voodoo3 XFree server, and the Glide 3dfx drivers from
http://glide.xxedgexx.com/3DfxRPMS_vb_glibc.html
However, when I run linuxq3test, it runs perfectly well, but in a
window, and is thus incredibly, almost painfully, slow.
I've tried setting export MESA_GL_GFX fullscreen, but to no avail.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
--
Dave
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: WIn 95 printing over SAMBA
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:30:05 +0400
Oh! Oh, I found the answer this morning when I
tried again. On the Printer properties I have to
capture the port (this is a clickable button) and
put in the LPT1 port and the correct path to
my server which is the \\$HOSTNAME\lp,
enable the "reconnect at logon" checkbox and
it was a smooth ride afterwards.
Ferdinand
>
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:19:32 GMT
Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> Bill Unruh wrote in message <7k4ral$m2n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >were writing. BMW never agreed to refund you the price of the ashtray if
> >you disagreed withthe terms of the license on that ashtray (eg that only
> >german cigarettes were allowed to be used in there).
> >
> >>> non-smoker and never use the ash tray in my BMW. I am pretty sure that
> >>> BMW
>
> While I do not care to much about the AS/400 drivel that started the thread
> :-),
> I have to defend BMW here. When you order a new one, you have the option
> to replace the ashtray(s) with some additional storage compartmen(s). Same
> price for both versions. Actually, when I ordered my last BMW the process
> was
> reversed - you had to order the ashtray ... BMW is not forcing you to buy an
> ashtray - all your choice, just study the options list :-)
>
Actually as any old-car enthusiast knows, Radio-delete was quite a big option
among the performance bunch. If you never listen to the radio and use the car
only for street-racing, then thier was no need for the little added weight and
electrical pull.
Radio-Delete has been an option since radios cam out..... Windows delete has
never been an option. Not only does this "journalist" not know computers, he
doesn't know cars either. Kinda ironic he would make a comparison between two
things he knows so little about.
>
> Martin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Martin Knoblauch
> Compaq Computer EMEA BV
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Std.Disclaimer: Not speaking for COMPAQ in any form on this medium
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:32:11 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: difference between 'buff' and 'cached' in top + free + /proc/memstat
Hi out there!
What is the difference between 'buff' and 'cached' entries in programs
like top? One is the mount of mem used for filecaching, but what is the
other?
manpages don't say anything about that.
Thanks,
Marc
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From: "test" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:43:05 GMT
BTW, for those who ddin't know, the URL for that is at:
http://www.midrangesystems.com/article.asp?ID=649923425PM
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From: "test" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux and Alternative Operating System Web Portal
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:45:30 GMT
> "R.I.P. Windows" t-shirts.
Can you say "unprofessional"? I knew you could.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin,rec.games.roguelike.angband
Subject: Re: Reattaching orphaned interactive processes
Date: 14 Jun 1999 14:32:51 -0500
Reply-To: "J.L.M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <7k3kn3$kmp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
william henry hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am running RedHat 6.0 and have a question about recovering
>orphaned processes.
If you use "screen", it becomes trivial to detach/reattach
running processes.
I believe you need something like ttysnoop to do what you want.
--
James
http://ssdd.conservatory.com
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:38:19 GMT
Stuart Brady wrote:
> I've always known that Windows sits on top of DOS. I still can't belive
> that Microsoft managed to fool anyone with that splash screen, and a
> cleverly worded shutdown menu. I didn't think that people could be in
> favor of Microsoft 'merging' Windows and DOS, too...
>
The fact that they even tried to fool the public with a blatant lie says how
much they really don't care about their customers.
The fact that they succeeded only shows the Windows and Mac have succeeded
only in making the computer user more computer "ilitterate" even though they
(Microsoft) likes to tell the american people how much more people know
about computers now a five year old can operate a computer, so what, who the
hell can't point and click, I'm not saying that being easy to use isn't a
very good thing and it is hugely beneficial that that five year old can use
the computer, but to call him computer literate is a bit ambitious.
Personally I like the way Macintosh has handled the GUI issue. They don't
claim to raise the inteligence of computer users, they claim to be a
computer for non-computer users. Which is what they and Windows both are. I
just wish people knew how much better computing could be if you would really
take the time to learn them to use them like the average linux user does.
> --
> Stuart Brady: stuart@wholehog .demon.co.uk
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From: "Ron van Middendorp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need compiled version of imm module for Zip drive
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:53:03 +0200
Reply-To: "Ron van Middendorp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This would be kind of useless, since nobody in this group knows:
Your distro,
Your kernel,
Your libraries.
My humble advise would be to determine why you can't get it compiled, solve
that matter and then try again.
My guess is that in the future you are going to want to do some more
compiling anyway;-)
Ron
Mike Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Can someone please send me a compiled version of the imm module? I
> cannot get it to compile using make
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RedHat 5.2 (where to get apache 1.3.6 rpm?)
Date: 14 Jun 1999 14:23:18 -0500
Reply-To: "J.L.M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brad Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kenyon Ralph wrote:
>Why the hell should I have to upgrade my entire operating system just to get
>the latest version of apache! And people complain about Microsoft
>products!!!????
You do not have to upgrade your entire system to upgrade apache.
You may have to upgrade parts of your system in order to satisfy
dependencies of the packaged binary from another distribution, but
even that is not so drastic. You use a lot of dramatic words and
punctuation to describe a situation that is not nearly as bad as
you imply.
If you want to always have the latest distribution of any component, you
are well advised to build that component from source and install it that
way. RedHat is choosing (wisely IMHO) not to support every combination
of every package with every revision of their distribution. But in the
case of programming languages and server software like apache, many users
choose to use the actual distributions of these packages, rather than the
repackaged redhat versions. It works out to be simpler in the long run...
--
James
http://ssdd.conservatory.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Wunsch)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.misc,comp.os.linux.developement.system,de.comp.os.misc,de.comp.os.unix.programming,de.comp.os.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Filename for File descriptor
Date: 15 Jun 1999 09:56:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Wunsch)
Andreas Birkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> I have a file descriptor in C (declared like FILE *fd) and want to know
> the filename for this fd.
> Does anybody know how to do that ?
Virtually impossible. There's not even a guarantee the file does
exist:
if ((fd = open("somefile", O_CREAT | O_RDWR, 0600)) == -1)
error("cannot open somefile");
(void)unlink("somefile");
...is a common way to create a temporary file that will automatically
be deleted after the process exits (or closes the descriptor
otherwise).
The only way is to fstat(2) the descriptor, examine the device and
i-node information, and then run an exhaustive search on that
filesystem (find(1), or fts(3)).
--
J"org Wunsch
"Verwende Perl. Shell will man koennen, dann aber nicht verwenden."
Kristian Koehntopp, de.comp.os.unix.misc
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From: Overmars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: General protection during access mem via kernel
Date: 15 Jun 1999 10:50:23 GMT
I have wrote a system call to access the Linear frame buffer of Video
card, but the following error appears when running:
general protection: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[<00115748>]
EFLAGS: 00013246
eax: fe8be430 ebx: 00c92c0c ecx: 00000000 edx: 00000000
esi: 40006394 edi: 08048500 ebp: bffffa30 esp: 00493fb8
ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 002b gs: 002b ss: 0018
Process tvsyscall (pid: 144, process nr: 33, stackpage=00493000)
Stack: 0010a9b5 fe8be430 00000000 00000000 40006394 08048500 bffffa30
ffffffda
07ab002b 0000002b 0804002b 0000002b 000000a9 08048614 00100023
00003246
bffffa2c 0009002b
Call Trace: [<0010a9b5>]
Code: 0f b6 00 c3 31 d2 b8 84 a3 1d 00 83 78 04 00 74 0d 8d 76 00
general protection: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[<00115748>]
EFLAGS: 00013246
eax: fe8be430 ebx: 00c92c0c ecx: 00000000 edx: 00000000
esi: 40006394 edi: 08048500 ebp: bffffa30 esp: 007f5fb8
ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 002b gs: 002b ss: 0018
Process tvsyscall (pid: 145, process nr: 33, stackpage=007f5000)
Stack: 0010a9b5 fe8be430 00000000 00000000 40006394 08048500 bffffa30
ffffffda
07ab002b 0000002b 0804002b 0000002b 000000a9 08048614 00100023
00003246
bffffa2c 0009002b
Call Trace: [<0010a9b5>]
Code: 0f b6 00 c3 31 d2 b8 84 a3 1d 00 83 78 04 00 74 0d 8d 76 00
and the system call is:
asmlinkage unsigned char sys_test(unsigned char * index,unsigned char
data,int flag )
{
unsigned char valueL;
valueL=*(unsigned char *)(index);
return valueL;
}
I call it with index=0xFE8BE430, does anyone know what is wrong?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: Latenar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOSemu setup in RH6.0
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:57:06 GMT
JC Vollmer wrote:
>
> Hello.
> I've just installed dosemu-0.99.10-4 under RedHat6.0 along with the
> disk image that came with the FreeDOS version 0.72b package, and I
> find that most DOS commands are not found. I cannot use "cls," "copy,"
> "attrib," "chkdsk" or any other commands with the exception of "del"
> and "dir."
>
> Does anyone know what's wrong?
>
> Please reply via Email.
>
> AtDhVaAnNkCsE
[posted and mailed]
dir and del are dos /commands/, while attrib, chkdsk, etc are separate
executables (either .exe or .com).
Latenar
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: Latenar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOSemu setup in RH6.0
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:57:51 GMT
JC Vollmer wrote:
>
> Hello.
> I've just installed dosemu-0.99.10-4 under RedHat6.0 along with the
> disk image that came with the FreeDOS version 0.72b package, and I
> find that most DOS commands are not found. I cannot use "cls," "copy,"
> "attrib," "chkdsk" or any other commands with the exception of "del"
> and "dir."
>
> Does anyone know what's wrong?
>
> Please reply via Email.
>
> AtDhVaAnNkCsE
[posted and mailed]
dir and del are dos /commands/, while attrib, chkdsk, etc are separate
executables (either .exe or .com).
Latenar
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From: The Damons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel panic: No init found. THANKS STAROFFICE!
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:13:41 -0400
Update: I can now boot from a rescue disk, and I can then mount my linux
hard disk, and I can see all the files. When I go to /sbin, I can see a
file named init that is 24580 bytes in length.
I guess my question now is how can I get linux to recreate an init program
that (1) it can see and (2) will work when I have this glibc mess that the
Staroffice install created?
Could I use the Redhat 6.0 install disk to reinstall only these libraries
that are hosed now?
Thanks for any help...
Bill Damon, Salem, VA
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From: Sean Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Databases are available for Linux
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:48:57 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Edstrom wrote:
> Oracle 8 also runs under linux but isn't opensource and costs
> money for non-personal use. I think private, non-commercial use is
> free, or did I get that wrong?
You are wrong. Oracle does not give their software away to
private individuals, governments, not-for-profit organizations,
churches, etc. Larry Ellison did not build a Fortune 500 software
superpower (and make himself a billionaire) by being this charitable.
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From: Latenar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is what I WANT to do
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:31:13 GMT
Daniel in Oregon wrote:
>
> I have an extra drive that I want to append to my existing ext2 linux
> partiion..
>
> I have the raid set up and ready to go...except...I can't create it
> because the ext2 partition is mounted..
>
> I want to make a boot disk with an existing image on it...and the raid
> tools...
>
> I want to be able to boot up...with the FLOPPY disk as the root....then
> use the raid tools on the
> two partitions...then reboot...and it should be kosher...!!!!
> right...sigh.
>
> Any help would be appreciated...
>
> I have already made an "mkinitrd" img...but don't know how to get it on
> a dos boot disk...
>
> and what command to enter to make the floppy the root....
>
> Thanks..
>
> Daniel
check out tomsrtbt:
http://www.toms.net/rb/
because this coppies itself to memory, you can put the raid tools on a separate
disk. boot tomsrtbt, remove the floppy, put in the raid floppy, mount it (mount
/dev/fd0 /mnt) and run the raid tools. Hope I'm of help.
Latenar
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From: "Gabriel/TSS!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:06:46 -0700
While I work on AS/400's and lovethe system, I think this guy needs his
head slapped around for a while! This guy obviously is part of M$'s FUD
squad!
=================================
editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
By Chris Amaru
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MidrangeSystems
Monday, June 07, 1999
I ought to have my head examined. I know that writing this column is
going
to elicit heaps of hate mail from the rabid dogs of the Linux lunatic
fringe, but still I can�t stop myself from doing it. I liken this to the
scene in �Risky Business� when Tom Cruise�s parents say, �Use your best
judgment, Joel. We trust you.� Of course by the end of the movie the
house
is full of hookers and the Porsche is in Lake Michigan!
What the heck, I never have had good judgment when it comes to this sort
of
thing, so I may as well go for it. Any IS Manager that uses Linux to
host
mission critical applications ought to go directly to the nearest mental
hospital and check themselves in. On your way in, say hello to me. I�ll
be
the one mumbling, �Please make the letters stop� or something to that
effect.
Now don�t get me wrong. I am not saying this just to tick off the Linux
crowd. I have used Linux. I have installed Linux. A remote twisted part
of
my brain even likes Linux. But even the twisted part of my brain would
never use Linux to host a mission critical application. Not even a Web
server.
If the AS/400 were on the Linux community�s radar screen, they would
hate
it. The epitome of a closed proprietary OS, the AS/400, like Windows NT,
does not allow you to mess with the OS internals. If you want to write
an
application that needs some sort of support from OS/400 or the SLIC that
isn�t already there, talk to IBM. Maybe they�ll put it in the next
release.
Maybe they won�t. It�s up to IBM. This of course bothers the Linux
community since they think that OS source code, much like Willy the
killer
whale, should be free.
The Linux community has taken up the banner of open source as the reason
why you should use Linux. Their argument is that without the source code
to
an OS, you are beholden to the vendor for OS changes that will make your
applications work. I believe that open source is exactly the reason why
you
shouldn�t use Linux. My argument is: With the source code to Linux
available to anyone who can download it from the Net, it is more
vulnerable
to hacker attacks, and this should scare the heck out of any IS manager
running mission critical applications. Security is the least of your
worries. I haven�t even touched on how hard it will be to keep track of
which applications require which version of Linux. You know how hard it
is
to figure out which PTFs you need, and those are centrally controlled by
IBM. Imagine what happens when anyone can make a change to the OS. I can
hear my �friends� in the Linux community saying, �Chris, Linus Torvalds
will make sure all the changes to the OS get folded into Linux.� Sure,
he
will, and the NRA will make sure only upstanding model citizens have
guns.
Clearly the Linux community will just think that I am a stupid
journalist
who just doesn�t get it. In some ways they may be right. I just don�t
get
it. In a world where there are already too many operating systems, why
do
we need one more? The answer is: we don�t. I have news for the Linux
community. Life is not fair. The most technically competent product
doesn�t
always win, the smart guy doesn�t always get the girl, and the good guys
don�t always win. This is life, and all the ranting and raving in the
world
is not going to change it.
A chief example of this is the movement in the Linux community to demand
refunds for the unused copy of Windows that is shipped with nearly all
personal computers. They proclaimed February15th as Windows Refund Day,
and
published the �Windows Refund Newsletter� to show people how to get a
refund from Microsoft. On the 15th they went to Microsoft offices all
over
the country with their disks and End User Licensing Agreement in hand
and
demanded their refunds.
When I bought my computer, HP included a bunch of software that I never
use. Where is my refund for all of this software? Furthermore, I am a
non-smoker and never use the ash tray in my BMW. I am pretty sure that
BMW
would laugh me all the way back across the Atlantic if I showed up in
Bavaria demanding my $39.95 and asking them to remove my ash tray.
I would like to proclaim June 15th as Generic Refund Day. Please feel
free
to visit all of your favorite corporations to demand refunds for the
extraneous stuff they give you that you don�t use. I will also be
starting
a Generic Refund newsletter ($15.00 + S&H; Sorry, no refunds!) to tell
people how they can get refunds for all those useless things they get
when
they buy other things.
In closing, I think the Linux community should grow up. No amount of
whining and complaining is going to change the realities of life, so I
will
just stick with the AS/400 and be happy. Maybe I�ll see some of you at
Generic Refund Day when I demand I refund from Dell for that damn
useless Z
key I never use. Oops, I guess that refund is history now!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jete Software Inc.)
Subject: Slow sendmail setup at boot time
Date: 14 Jun 1999 15:47:49 -0400
It takes several minutes for sendmail to compelete its initialization
when booting. It seems to finally time out, but doesn't report any
errors. Is there any way to get sendmail to initialize quicker??
Thanks!!
-- Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: /etc/termcap question
Date: 15 Jun 1999 10:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Villy Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>What you are describing was true in 1979, but 20 years have
>>gone by since then... and a lot of rubric was stretched.
>>
>>If DEC extended the rubric of vt100 to cover it, then perhaps
>>the rest of us can too.
>
>
>But they are not called vt100. In the terminfo you have definitions for the
>following vtxxx terminals:
>
>vt100 vt102 vt125 vt131 vt132 vt200 vt220 vt300 vt320 vt330 vt340 vt400
>vt420 vt510 vt520 vt525
I'm sorry, perhaps I didn't state that clear enough to be understood.
The part you snipped out was significant, so let me re-insert it:
"T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > if it has more than 24 lines it is no longer emulating a vt100.
>
> let's not be too pedantic. DEC's vt420 terminal can have page sizes
> other than 24 lines even when emulating a vt100.
See there, where it is pointed out that DEC's vt100 emulator in
a vt420 terminal has page sizes other than 24 lines. It seems
that DEC themselves "extended the rubric". (My point is, thats
good enough for me.)
>Which are all derivations on the original vt100, but differ in the number
>of features. In addition there are quite a few vt100 or vgxxx clones
>each with their own names and minor deviation from the original vt100.
>This includes the xterm which is a vt100 look alike with variable number
>of lines.
I'm not sure it is correct to say they are all "derivations" on
the vt100, though certainly they all followed and expanded on
the original vt100 terminal. However... so what? That is
irrelavent.
>The problem occurs if someone makes a terminal emulation program, put in
>some ansi escape code interpretations and claim that this is a vt100.
How is that a problem if the program will in fact emulate a
vt100. The fact that it does more than just emulate a vt100
should not be a problem (but might be a solution... :-).
>An even bigger problem is the terminal type called ansi, which for all
>intents and purposes is undefined, or rader, defined differently by
>different vendors; so different that they cannot be considered compatible.
Different subsets of the ANSI code set are used, and I don't see
that as a great problem. It would be a problem if different vendors
interpret the definitons of the same ANSI codes differently, so that the
same escape sequence does something different on different terminals.
But the fact that one terminal supports one attribute/control code that
another one does not, is not a problem.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
North Slope images: <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:27:21 GMT
Fortunately for Mr Amaru there is no IQ test required when
putting words to screen.
It is unfortunate that Mr Amaru has such limited
understanding and vision in his relationship with reality.
Best regards,
Brian
Gabriel/TSS! wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>While I work on AS/400's and lovethe system, I think this
guy needs his
>head slapped around for a while! This guy obviously is
part of M$'s FUD
>squad!
>=================================
>editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
>By Chris Amaru
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>MidrangeSystems
>Monday, June 07, 1999
>I ought to have my head examined. blah blah blah
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From: Latenar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which Internet Service Provider is especially Linux-friendly?
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:22:42 GMT
Duncan Simpson wrote:
>
>>Dxx-Richard_T_Myers(0)0 wrote:
>>>
>>> I am shopping for an ISP, and will be using several home systems with
>>> Linux and Windows installed. I'm interested in newsgroups, PPP, and having
>>> a shell account on an ISP system for web-hosting. Reasonable flat rate for
>>> normal access much preferred. (I'm in the Denver Colorado area)
>
> As one who knows the other end of the wire better than most getting a
> shell account is unlikely. PPP and web space is pretty common but
> shell accounts in the hands of sharp crackers are a security problem
> no ISP needs. Since there is little need for them chances are you do not
> get one, period.
>
> (I have shell access to several machines but I also have *legitimate*
> root access too. This means I am one of the people meant to know the root
> password).
> --
> Duncan (-:
I don't know where you live, but there are many, many ISPs that offer shell
accounts. You just have to know where to look:-p. Don't go for big isps (aol
(ugh), netom, att, etc) because then the answer is no, period. Find some guy
who is running a low-end pentium in his basement and a cable modem, or something
close. Customer service will be low, and speed might be sacraficed, but thats
how the world ticks. Alternativly, you can get a shell account separate from
your isp, such as for free at
http://www.ductape.net/
or for a cost at
http://www.rt66.com/
though the free ones usualy don't allow you to use telnet/lnyx/ftp/etc for
security and/or bandwidth reasons. Hope i'm of help.
Latenar
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