Linux-Misc Digest #147, Volume #21               Sat, 24 Jul 99 10:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has) (Chris Lee)
  Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
  Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick) (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Newbie with what seems to be something missing (Joe Johnson)
  Re: Newbie with new server installation problem (Joe Johnson)
  Re: Database access program (Bruce Stephens)
  Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has) (Gergo Barany)
  Re: CIA assassinations (Raj Rijhwani)
  Re: What I think of linux. (Raj Rijhwani)
  AMD processor upgrade ("Nevyn")
  Can't mount root fs (Simon Cook)
  cant get IP masquerade to work (Ian Richard Petersen)
  Network configuration advice ("Kooter")
  Re: AMD processor upgrade ("Youngert")
  Re: CLI text editor for Windows (Dave Brown)
  Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
  Re: Linux, newbe, hard and sofware question (Elector)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has)
Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:15:10 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>At work, all of our UNIX machines are FreeBSD boxes. I
>however run Linux on my FreeBSD box (dual-boot) and
>occasionally I have to transfer files b/w my Linux box and
>other BSD boxes.
>
>I noticed that FreeBSD (our version is 2.2.8 I think) has a
>really nice version of the ftp command - it shows a progress
>bar (like hash mark printing), along with a percentage estimate,
>and a throughput rate indicator, and an ETA display showing
>how much time is remaining to complete the transfer - all in
>text mode.
>
>Is there a similar version/type of ftp for Linux ? I am running
>RedHat 5.2 soon planning to run Debian 2.1.
>
>Thanks for any info.


Shrug. If you have the source code for this ftp program. you can just 
recompile it under linux. Personally I perfer using Lynx for most ftp 
tranfers...



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 24 Jul 1999 11:17:45 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>
>
>Chris Lee wrote:
>> 
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >
>> >Chris Lee wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <7n442u$hiu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >> >
>> >> >In comp.sys.amiga.misc Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> Funny, what you are claiming doesn't really seem to be the case.
>> Follow
>> >> the
>> >> >> following newsgroups for a while and you'll discover that.
>> >> >
>> >> >*grin*. Oh, well...
>> >> >
>> >> >I get my information directly from ISPs, from PPP login traces,
>> >> >from other developers and from IETF workgroups (PPPEXT among them),
>> >> >and I can assure you that I would not have gone to the trouble of
>> >> >implementing and field-testing MS-CHAP if it had not been necessary.
>> >> >
>> >> >But of course if you feel the random argumentative rambling on
>> >> >Usenet is more informative and objective then that is your choice.
>> >>
>> >> And I get my information from the people who *ACTUALLY CONNECT TO 
ISPs*
>> in
>> >> the *REAL WORLD*
>> >
>> >Hey, obnoxious moron, you are talking to the guy who PROGRAMMED Miami,
>> >and several other packages for the Amiga!!!
>> 
>> Who cares?
>
>Who cares if you and people of your type care or not?!?!?
>
>If you don't care then why are you trolling here?!?!?!
>If you don't care then why are you responding to him?!?!???
>If you don't care why even have a computer?!!?!?
>
>> Just like you it doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about what
>> the people who don't use the Amiga use to connect to the internet.
>
>So someone who shipped one of the best TCP/IP stacks on any platforms
>doesn't know, and a jackass like you who claims real world experience
>with no clue knows??!?!?!?

Who says it's the best? Amiga users? Give me a break....



>


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: I f*cking don't believe it! (was: Marx vs. Nozick)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:42:35 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the 23 Jul 1999 15:47:19 -0400...
..and Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [evidence of reading comprehension problems snipped]

Hah funny. NOT.
   
> > I've been more or less called a Trekkie, and one has implied that I 
> > am not doing my duty at preventing fascism from happening again in my
> > country.
> 
> I believe that last part refers to me. No, that's not what I wrote.  
> Rereading my posts will show that.

I have reread the relevant posting of yours, and for all I can see
this is more or less what you implied.
 
> > On the other hand, one tries to make me look like a fool by playing 
> > stupid little games and making insulting allusions and implications all 
> > of the time. 
> 
> Disagreeing with you is a problem?

You're starting to sound like Jeff Szarka. Anyhow, no, disagreeing
with me is not at all a problem. I consider it a problem if I randomly
get associated with [religion; Star Trek; whatever] for no apparent
reason or if one overinterprets my statements and thus gives the
public a distorted image of me.

This is not a private conversation.
   
> > See above. Will this crap ever cease?
> 
> I might say the same thing. Is there some reason why noone is allowed to
> disagree with you, or to try to demonstrate that you might be mistaken?

Szarka again. Now listen, Greg, I'll leave you the last word since it
obviously means so much to you. I have decided that the energy I
invest in this thread could as well go into something productive like
transcribing piano music, coding or partying.

Have a nice day,

mawa
-- 
Gedanken sind zwar frei, aber trotzdem bewertbar.
                                                        -- Paul Rullof

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:33:27 -0500
From: Joe Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.config
Subject: Re: Newbie with what seems to be something missing

Eric Powell wrote:

> O.K., right now I have a "driver" that's not in the choices when installing
> or configuring for my video card (86C365) on a floppy.  After much grief, I
> finally got my kernel on my system (most of the grief came from the fact
> that my CD-ROM only works half the time, sometimes it just won't spin the
> disk (I have theory the computer thinks it's open, any help?)), the only
> problem is, both the "Linux for Dummies" and the HOWTO says to use the make
> config (or menuconfig) command, and when I'm in /usr/src/linux I type it in
> and it says there is no suck command.
>
> So here's the deal.  First off I want to configure the kernel because the
> book says I should, if anything, because I have a P2 level processor.
> Secondly, I think that's how I would get the video driver on there.  If
> this isn't the proper procedure, please tell me how to get this driver
> (SavageX-0_2_0_tar.tar) from my floppy on the drive and configure it.
> Thanks a million (hopefully this little bit will help greatly).
>
> Eric Powell
>
> ------------------  Posted via SearchLinux  ------------------
>                  http://www.searchlinux.com

In /usr/src/linux  type

make menuconfig



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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:43:36 -0500
From: Joe Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.config
Subject: Re: Newbie with new server installation problem

Eric Powell wrote:

> O.K., I downloaded a new server via Win95 (is that a naughty word here)
> onto a floppy.  I got it onto the linux hard drive using tar.  It didn't
> create a new directory like some one said it should and the installation
> instructions were incomplete.  So, I'm downloading a different version and
> redownloading the other version, hopefully they'll have instructions, but
> in case they don't, could some one walk me through it, or am I going to
> have to edit the XF86config file by hand?  Thanks.  Also, make menuconfig
> (or make config) still won't work, saying there is no command.  I was told
> it should work once I install the new driver, but I can't do that quite
> yet.
>
> Eric Powell
>
> ------------------  Posted via SearchLinux  ------------------
>                  http://www.searchlinux.com

Possible problem? Do you have the development components installed? Try
typing the following

ls /usr/bin/make*

You should see something like

/usr/bin/make                                         /usr/bin/makeindex
/usr/bin/make_printerdef                   /usr/bin/makeinfo
/usr/bin/make_smbcodepage           /usr/bin/makemap
/usr/bin/makedb/usr/bin/make         /usr/bin/makeindex

If /usr/bin/make is not present you will get an error message saying that

the command is not found. If you did a minimal install things like make and

C compiler may not be installed!

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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Database access program
Date: 24 Jul 1999 12:45:51 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne) writes:

> Unfortunately, none of the "access-ish" packages take the approach
> of providing a multiplexing scheme for providing simultaneous access
> to multiple sorts of data sources, which is one of the particularly
> useful things about Access.

Ah, I didn't know that.  

What I find more irritating is that none of them that I've looked at
(with the exception of pgaccess) seems to do what I'd expect.  

All of them let me type in SQL queries and see the results, but as a
first step, I'd like to be able to look at the existing tables and
views, and sort on the columns and things, just so I can get the hang
of what's there.  pgaccess provides a list of tables, and I can just
click on one to see it.  Why doesn't kpsql provide that, for example?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Enhanced version of ftp (like FreeBSD has)
Date: 24 Jul 1999 12:17:03 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Salman Ahmed wrote:
>I noticed that FreeBSD (our version is 2.2.8 I think) has a
>really nice version of the ftp command - it shows a progress
>bar (like hash mark printing), along with a percentage estimate,
>and a throughput rate indicator, and an ETA display showing
>how much time is remaining to complete the transfer - all in
>text mode.

lftp does what you want.

Gergo

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 99 11:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7n697a$b9f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
           [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Richard Kulisz" writes:

> Do you even realize what the fuck you're saying, you oblivious little cretin?
> You're saying that the Germans provided enough gold to Lenin so that he could
> single-handedly overthrow the Czar Alexander II without any help from the local
> populace. *What* *the* *fuck*?!

Loose it dickheads (all of you).  This fuck all to do with any of the 
newsgroups you're posting to.  There's quite enough mindless crap without 
propogating more of it.  Take it elsewhere, or take it to the bitbucket...
-- 
Raj Rijhwani        (umtsb5/16) |  This is the voice of the Mysterons...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]        |  ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]       |  "Lieutenant Green:  Launch all Angels!"
http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 99 11:06:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

XP to alt.linux.sux - don't want any flame wars or trolling...

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
           [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Groman" writes:

>     I like the whole idea of operating system by people for people, BUT
> There isn't a some kind of comitee, company, person, aritficial
> intellegence, that does the following:

>     Organise the basic system so it will be same style output, output
> readable by everybody,

Why on earth would you want to do that.  Linux' strength is that it's 
a foundation for everyone to build on as they please.  I don't want 
your stylistic preferences foisted on me, nor would you want mine.

Style is the least of your worries.  What matters is function, and 
that's not a matter of Linux (i.e. the underlying operating system 
kernel) but of which packages and utilities you choose to run.  And 
the choice is HUGE.  It has th e capacity to be (almost) all things 
to all people.

>     compile the tons of documentation available in an avarage sized User
>     Guide with readable english and easy to use reference tables. HOW-TOs 
>     and FAQs are not-organized, or organized in a form I don't understand 
>     (each unique individual, on any given point in time has his own limit 
>     of understanding something, you'll just have to accept that).

Such things take experience,and competence.  Trouble is, anyone who has 
the experience and understanding to write documentation (unless they are 
actually employed to do it) probably finds that they have much more 
rewarding and satisfying outlets for their skills.

Tell you what:  Why don't YOU get to grips with it all then take a 
look at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/.

>     Also, there should be a several modes of IO for the system itself, for
> example if
>         IO Techie Level is 0, then during the boot it will display something
> like :
>                 Loading Linux Kernel.
>                 Loading Drivers.
>                 Starting services etc.
>         but if IO Techie Level is like 10 it will output even more than it
> outputs now.

Ah, and then when a newbie comes along and says "my system doesn't boot", 
and gets asked "what does it say when it fails?"  he answers "loading 
drivers".  Techie then goes of mumbling something about "insufficient 
information to know what's going on".  The boot messages are there for 
reason.  You may not understand them, but if you ever need assistance 
someone else WILL.  (This is yet another plus in the world vs Windoze 
argument - most decent operating systems tell you what's happening, 
so that should something go wrong there's enough info to do something 
a little more constructinve than "try turning it off and back on again".)

>     When I first installed Red Hat 5.2, it installed really well, I was
> really surprised that it was faster and
>     easier than install of Windoze 95. Then I booted and logged in, I liked
> it until I had to figure out something

You can't have it both ways - if you want a flexible configurable USEFUL 
o/s then you have to learn how to use it (it's like driving a car - you 
have to learn how it works to some degree, otherwise if you don't want 
to learn jump back on your bicycle).  If you want a consumer electronics 
level learning curve, then stick with consumer electronics (in which 
I include Windoze).
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Raj Rijhwani        (umtsb5/16) |  This is the voice of the Mysterons...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]        |  ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]       |  "Lieutenant Green:  Launch all Angels!"
http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)


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From: "Nevyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AMD processor upgrade
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:20:21 +0100

pentium 166 to AMD K6 350.....good or bad idea with repect to
linux???....and recomendations...?

--

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**  "yurtta sula cihanda sula"  **
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From: Simon Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Can't mount root fs
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:31:16 GMT

I'll admin it... I was playing hdparm. I did not turn on anything I 
shouldn't have - just 32bit disk access and 16 as my maxblocks. That 
should be fine for a near new Thinkpad.

On rebooting I get all the way to the partition check where I get:

EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,5)): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for 
group 0 not in group (block 720896)!
EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted !

Then of course a kernel panic. I don't where to start fixing this. I have 
tried to mount the partition from Linux on a floppy to no avail. My Win98 
partition (I know but all the IBM utils are there) boots fine. Can anybody 
start pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks

Simon Cook

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Richard Petersen)
Date: 24 Jul 99 22:52:12
Subject: cant get IP masquerade to work
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am running mandrake 5.2 on my linux machine at home. It is connected to
my work via a modem and ppp. It as an assigned IP number of 131.236.2.209
and the gateway at work is 131.236.2.1. I have a second PC at home running 
windows 95 and a home ethernet lan. On this lan, the linux machine is 
192.168.200.3 and the win 95 machine is 192.169.200.2. Both machines can
ping each other and I have samba working. However, I cant seem to get
IP masquerade to work. 

using the redhat network tool I have under intefaces

eth0 192.168.200.3
ppp0 131.236.2.209

under routing

default gateway 131.236.2.209
default device ppp0

to set up IP masquerading, I typed

/sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny
/sbin/ipfwadm -f -a m -S 192.168.200.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0

However, I cant seem to get it to work. 

Any ideas?

Thanks
Ian

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From: "Kooter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Network configuration advice
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:10:01 -0400

I have a small network at home that is Windows based ( no
my-os-is-better-than-yours threads please).

Anyway, I've come to realize after a hacker attack that I need a firewall.
3 or 4 years ago I played around with Slackware and am familiar with it.
Not wanting to spend the big cash to set Windows up properly I decided to
put a Linux box between my network and the web.  Then something occured to
me:

I have parts to piece together six computers.  The primary system that I
rely on the most is a PII 333, 256M, 13 gig and a Voodoo3.  Currently one of
the other systems is my PDC and Internet server.  A third is an LCD luggable
that I usually use to read help files, tutorials, and misc. other jobs.  The
others are basically just pieces and parts that I play with when I'm doing
network experiments etc.

I would like to set all of these systems up as multiboot with the PII as the
primary application server.  I would also like to be able to use a boot
manager to boot into any configuration (Windows NT, 95, 98, Linux) from any
of the machines and have the kernels from all the the OS's on a single
machine.

I only have one ethernet card with a boot rom installed.

Is this possible?  Is it advisable?

If so, what boot manager should I use?

Does anyone have a suggestion for a better configuration?



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From: "Youngert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD processor upgrade
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:45 -0400

I don't think it is a bad idea.  If you goto http://www5.tomshardware.com/,
you definitely will learn more things about the pros/cons of using AMD CPU.

I myself have been putting together a new computer with the AMD K6-2 400MHz
CPU with the FCI PA-2013 mobo.  I have had no bad experience with this CPU
and mobo.  Linux works well with no hickups.

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Nevyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7ncbgu$msi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> pentium 166 to AMD K6 350.....good or bad idea with repect to
> linux???....and recomendations...?
>
> --
>
> *************************************
> **  "yurtta sula cihanda sula"  **
> *************************************
>
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.editors
Subject: Re: CLI text editor for Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jul 99 13:00:54 GMT

In article <Uv8m3.965$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T.E.Dickey wrote:
>fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>iirc, the topic has come up a few times, but I don't recall seeing a
>definitive answer - the console window programs under win32 don't use
>escape sequences, so he'd need a different version - both vile and
>vim can be compiled for that sort of driver, but I've not tested with
>a remote login to a win32 system (I suspect it depends also on what
>particular program is used).
>...

The version of ViM that I use in Win32 needs ansi.sys (there's one in 
\windows\command) in your config.sys file.  

(BTW, how do you remotely log into a Win32 system?)

-- 
Dave Brown   Austin, TX

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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:33:44 +0200

Michael Powe schreef:

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> >>>>> "ATZ" == A T Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>     ATZ> Michael Powe schreef:
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>     >>
>     >> >>>>> "ATZ" == A T Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>     >>
>     >> >> >> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It
>     >> >> solves a lot of >> problems. However, you can take a horse
>     >> to >> water, but ...  > >Yeah, learn the horse how to get
>     >> water.  >> >> Which costs money which these horses don't
>     >> have. Which involves >> some kind of redistribution. I am not
>     >> advocating "Robin Hood" >> politics, but rather policies that
>     >> create opportunities for >> everyone. Even this requires a tax
>     >> system and the tax system >> ultimately redistributes wealth
>     >> regardless of how you try to >> slice it.
>     >>
>     ATZ> Redistribution smells like communism (read the original
>     ATZ> posting from Arkadiusz Danilecki) .pl = Poland in the past
>     ATZ> they were communists (some or a lot are still
>     ATZ> communist). Redistribution of income means something else for
>     ATZ> a communist then for a capitalist.  When you say some form,
>     ATZ> it doesn't smell like communism. But isn't that exactly what
>     ATZ> is happening, social security provides income for people who
>     ATZ> can't work for whatever the reason might be. When they want
>     ATZ> to do something to fight this situation, then I think the
>     ATZ> community (governement via tax) must do something to
>     ATZ> help. All kinds of projects do.  The ones who don't fight to
>     ATZ> make a better life, do we really want to pay for them?? If
>     ATZ> so, who is the "loser".
>
>     >>  In some societies, where resources are scarce, people are
>     >> abandoned to die when they no longer can provide service to the
>     >> community.  In a society with a surfeit of wealth, there's no
>     >> excuse for adopting that attitude.
>
>     ATZ> In The Netherlands (here) nobody has to die because he or she
>     ATZ> doesn't have a job. To many people without jobs are
>     ATZ> complaining about their situation and they don't do a single
>     ATZ> thing to get a real job. I don't think I have an attitude
>     ATZ> problem. If a person has good health and he or she can work,
>
> Go back and look at your own text.  What is a "real job"?  Flipping
> hamburgers?

ANY job.

> Truth is, most people who have "real jobs" are treated
> like dirt by the bourgeois.

Some people can't respect others. This is not a matter of income but how
people think about others.

> Basically, you give people the choice of
> working and being sneered at, or sitting at home and being sneered at.
> Gee, tough choice.

Is it a tough choice? I've been there. Just after graduation I couldn't
find a job. Therefore I accepted a job in a factory, yes some people
sneered at me but only until I explained to them why I was working. I
think that if someone can provide a income for his or herself, he or she
should.

>     ATZ> he or she has to do everything to get a real job. For people
>     ATZ> who do not succeed in getting a job social security should
>     ATZ> provide an income. Our government has the policy that those
>     ATZ> people who don't want to find a job get less money from
>     ATZ> social security. You can't compare the situation in countries
>     ATZ> the way you do, some people would call it their culture and
>     ATZ> you could really insult them with what you're saying.
>
> I'm sure I don't know to what this refers.

You wrote "In some societies, where resources are scarce, people are
abandoned todie when they no longer can provide service to the community."

>     >> The answer to your question is: you're the "loser," a "man"
>     >> whose morals are still those of that first creature to drop
>     >> from the tree and walk upright on the ground.
>
>     ATZ> Do you really want to insult me for my opinion?? And yes I
>     ATZ> would be a loser if I was paying to much tax.
>
> There's more to life than money.

Yes. Stocks, bonds, options, falcons, car, big house, love and last but
most certainly not least sex.

> mp
>
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> Amount of all stock owned by the most wealthy 1% of America: 41%
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Elector)
Subject: Re: Linux, newbe, hard and sofware question
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:53:09 GMT

>>I'm thinking about building a machine (PC) just for Linux, and to that
>>I have a few hardware-related questions.
>
>>1. Is 64MB RAM enough (I realy hope so)
>
>64 MB will certainly do it, unless you wanted to run some serious
>memory-hogs .

Ok, I don't think I will do that. As written before, the Linux-Box is
mainly ment as a gateway for my Windows-Box and for running a FTP
server.

>>2. Is a Pentium 200, or something in that area, fast enough?
>Just fine.

Ok. Then I don't have to spend a lot of money on a big P-III or
something...

>>3. Where can I find a list of supported hardware, I have a couple of
>>PCI-Cards I would like to use, but don't know if they are supported?
>PCI cards in general are well supported; serial PCI cards usually
>are the big exception, though. What cards do you want to use ?

Soundblaster AWE64, Diamond V330 AGP and a couple of netcards, they
seem to be supported.

>BTW, the manufacturers of the various Linux distributions do offer
>online pages which might contain the lists of known-to-be-working
>hardware (www.redhat.com , www.suse.com etc.) .

Ok.

>>And now the software questions.
>
>>1. Can a "Linux-Box" run a gateway for my Winblows, so that I won't
>>notice on the Windows-PC (you know log onto NT-Domains, use network
>>printers and so on)?
>
>Yes. It's called "IP masquerading/firewalling" and "SAMBA" .

Ok.

>>2. Are there any programs that will let me remote controll it from a
>>Windows-PC?
>VNC .

Ok.

>>3. It is possible to run a Linux-Machine without other OS'es
>>installed, right, I mean only Linux on the HD?
>
>Heh :) This is an OS, you know :))

Hehe, thought so, I just wanted to be completly sure. :-)

>>4. Can Linux read/write FAT16/32 and NTFS, without any problems?
>
>Linux supports FAT16/32 just fine. NTFS support is still in BETA
>stade, and presently just a read-only driver exists (for NTFS

Ok.

>volumes). However, if you connect to the machine holding the
>NTFS partition over the network (say, via SAMBA to the NT system),
>then you'll have no problem of read/write limitations (others than 
>those manually selected [permissions]) . You just can't write
>onto a mounted NTFS partition at this time.

Ok.


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