Linux-Misc Digest #283, Volume #21                Wed, 4 Aug 99 07:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  RH Linux 6.0 bootdisk problem ("Kong")
  bash and background jobs (Xavier SERPAGGI)
  Re: chroot ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Which Multi-port serial for Linux 2.2? (Chris Raper)
  Re: tar question (Robert Nichols)
  Re: X freezes computer ("Chris Liddell")
  Extract the first n characters from a stream? (Kenny Zhu Qili)
  Re: VMWare (Windows on Linux)? (Bob Koss)
  Re: Number lock and alt-tab fail in fvwm2 (Thomas Zajic)
  Re: IBM Internet Connection vs. Linux (kppp) (nobody)
  need help with multi-media CD-ROM (MerefBast)
  Re: ftp/ncftp hang or timeout on large files (Mats Pettersson)
  pam-0.64-4 (Richard Hobson)
  Re: PPP and Linux (nobody)
  Re: netscape (Pieter Wenk)
  Re: Linux has finally crashed (Chris Dams)
  [Fwd: File locking Samba RH6 Win95 running DOS program] (mike murray)
  Re: Just a suggestion... (Chris Mahmood)
  Re: problem solved ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: What I think of linux. (Ashley Penney)
  Re: pls help: umount2: Devices or resource busy (Chris Mahmood)
  Re: mount theory, lost space, and other sundry cack (W.G. Unruh)

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From: "Kong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH Linux 6.0 bootdisk problem
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:25:43 +0800

I have 2 hard disks, one 8.4GB, the other one 2.1GB.  The 8.4 is partitioned
into 4 partitions, with Win98 running on the first partition. I installed RH
Linux 6.0 onto the slave drive 2.1GB. However, evertime when I reach the
bootdisk part, it failed.

When I pressed the Enter key for it to create the bootdisk, a prompt asked
me to insert a diskette into floppy A, I did, pressed Enter, and the
harddisk just flashed for a while and nothing more happen. The book disk is
not created. Nothing is written to the diskette.

Same thing happened with the boot loader.

=====================

I tried to use my RH Linux 5.2 boot disk to boot the new RH Linux 6.0. But
it failed and hang my system. Can't really recall the exact error message...

======================

Thanks.




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From: Xavier SERPAGGI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bash and background jobs
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:20:47 GMT

 Hi everybody,
Here is the situation. First, I launch a xterm (or any kind of term),
then within this term, I launch a prog in the background :
        `prog_name &',
and then, if I close the xterm, the prog ends.
This behaviour does not exist when using csh.
Is there a way to alter bash and make it act "the right way" ?

Thanks

--
  Xavier SERPAGGI ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Labo. d'Images de Synthese de St Etienne


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: chroot
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:06:32 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) wrote:
> > > >Posting reply to comp.os.linux.misc. Deleting references to
> > > >comp.os.linux.setup and comp.os.linux.networking
> > > >
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Sorry to ask a question that's been posted before, but I
couldn't
> > find
> > > >> an answer that helped . . .
> > > >>
> > > >> When I type
> > > >> chroot /home/ftp ls (or /bin/ls)
> > > >> I get
> > > >> chroot: cannot execute ls: No such file or directory
> > > >>
> > > >> ls exists under the new root directory, as does anything else
that
> > it
> > > >> wants to open as shown by running ls under strace.
> > > >
> >
> > Yes I have /home/ftp/bin/ls. And yes I have /home/ftp/lib/ld.so, and
> > any other libraries indicated by running ls under strace. I have no
> > symbolic links going outside the new root tree. I still can't get ls
> > (or any other command) to work under chroot. What am I missing?
>
> chroot doesn't change directories, and that may be your problem.  Try:
>
>       cd /home/ftp; chroot /home/ftp /bin/ls
>
> -Tom
>
Nope, that doesn't help either.

Chris


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Raper)
Subject: Re: Which Multi-port serial for Linux 2.2?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:48:52 GMT

On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:15:18 -0400, Yan Seiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I've had good luck with the digi products.  Pricy, but very good and
>fast.

Hi Yan

Are they 'Linux friendly'? I am looking for a product that any old
Linux 2.2 kernel will accept without the hassle of hacking 'dodgy'
drivers into the kernel. :-)

Thanks
Chris R.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Nichols)
Subject: Re: tar question
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:54:11 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Koss  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:I want to make a tar file of my home directory, but I wish to exclude 
:the subdirectory ~/Office51.  How do I do that?
:
:I must have tried every permutation of -X and --exclude options, but 
:the subdirectory always gets included.

Obviously you haven't tried *every* permutation, and you didn't include
any examples of what you did try, but I'll make a guess that you tried
something like:

       tar [various options] *

When you do that the shell expands the "*" to all of the names found in
the current directory (excluding dotfiles).  The 'tar' command sees
"Office51" explicitly included on the command line, and that overrides
any exclusion options you might have tried.  If you specify "." instead
of "*", then 'tar' itself will recurse into the directory and will abide
by your exclusions.  The contents of the archive won't be quite the
same, though, since all of the pathnames will include a leading "./" .
If you can't live with that then you'll have to use some other means,
such as 'find', to construct an argument list for 'tar'.

-- 
Bob Nichols         [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP public key 1024/9A9C7955
Key fingerprint = 2F E5 82 F8 5D 06 A2 59  20 65 44 68 87 EC A7 D7

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From: "Chris Liddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.x,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X freezes computer
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:13:39 +0100

I had a similar problem when I installed my Matrox Millenium card a couple
of years ago. I don't know that this will help, but try disabling the
shadowing of the video bios, other shadowing options relating to the video
subsystems in the bios.

Chris Liddell


E wrote in message <7o8jb2$e0f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I was running a system with RedHat 6.0 and I installed X and it ran fine.
>I later got a larger HD and installed it, then formatted the old one and
>reinstalled RedHat 6.0 on the new HD. This time, X froze (even during the
>RedHat installation, where it runs the X server to test your settings).
>I did nothing different, it's the exact same computer.
>
>When X server runs, it freezes the whole computer. All network connections
>to/from the computer are lost, caps lock/numlock cease to function
(keyboard
>locked), the entire system is frozen (not just X). I have to press the
>hardware reset button.
>
>I have tried the following solutions:
>
>- reconfigure X using XF86Setup and xconf, double-checked monitor and video
>card settings... tried auto-probe and also tried entering all info
>manually...
>- changed video cards to another ATI Mach64
>- used VGA16 X server instead of Mach64 server
>- reinstalled RedHat again
>
>all these have led to the same thing..
>
>detailed info:
>
>P90, 32mb ram, 2x IDE hdd's, (420mb + 1.6gb), no cdrom, 2 nics, ATI
Graphics
>Xpression Mach64 (same as alternative one that i tried, but diff chipsets..
>listed in Xconfigurator video card list), CTX CVP-5468NI monitor (its
listed
>in the Xconfigurator monitor list too).
>
>Can someone tell me what could be causing this?
>
>My next solution attempt is to try running Debian Linux, I can't think of
>anything else... can you? :)
>
>E ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
>
>



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.unix.misc
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:05:56 +0800 
From: Kenny Zhu Qili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Extract the first n characters from a stream?

Hi I'd like to know how to extract the first n characters from a text
stream. I tried using sed but it didn't work. I need this because I wanna
extract the first 120 characters from my email body and send them to the
web interface. Thanks in advance


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From: Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWare (Windows on Linux)?
Date: 04 Aug 1999 05:08:39 -0400

"Boisy G. Pitre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A friend sent me a link to VMWare's home page.  They have a seemingly nice
> solution where Windows98 can run atop Linux.  I am *most* tempted to act on
> this, since my company has software that must run under Windows.  Right now
> I have a Linux box running my network and a separate Windows box, but it
> would be great to combine the two.  As I understand it, multiple Windows
> sessions can be running in different windows, and the Windows "hard drive"
> is merely a file.
> 
> Plus, there's the satisfaction of knowing that I'm running a cranky OS on
> top of a solid OS, so if (or should I say 'when') my Windows session
> crashes, I can simply restart it.
> 
> I just ordered a 450MHz K6-2 w/ 256MB of RAM and am strongly considering
> this approach.  Before I jump into this too far, I would like to hear from
> others who have used VMWare's product and see what their opinions of it are
> in terms of stability.


I'm running vmware and I love it. I have to do a lot of work in
PowerPoint and it's comforting to know that a real operating system is 
just a click away on the other virtual console.

vmware is one great product.


--
Robert Koss, Ph.D.  | Object Mentor, Inc.    | Tel: (800) 338-6716
Senior Consultant   | 14619 N Somerset Cr    | Fax: (847) 918-1023
[EMAIL PROTECTED]      | Green Oaks IL 60048    | www.objectmentor.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Number lock and alt-tab fail in fvwm2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:41:26 GMT

On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:30:15 +0800, Raymond wrote:

> Hello,
>     I find that using fvwm2 in Red Hat 5.2 and 6.0 will have problem to
> use alt-tab to switch between windows when the number lock key is
> pressed. Does anyone get this problem as well? And do you have a
> solution?

The solution is quite easy - turn off the NumLock key. ;-)
AFAIK, NumLock is just another modifier key (like Control,
Alt, Shift, ...) in X.

Yes, the X way of handling NumLock is bugging me, too.

HTH,
Thomas
-- 
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=--   "It is not easy to cut through a human head with a hacksaw." M.C.   --=
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From: nobody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Internet Connection vs. Linux (kppp)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:44:29 +0800

Kyler Laird wrote:

> I've been using IBM as a dialup provider for years,
> but I only use it when I'm on the road.  (At home
> I use ADSL/ISDN/cable IP.)  Today I was trying to
> use it (after successfully using it last week) and
> found that kppp kept dying right after connecting.
>
> Sometimes this happens when someone else is using
> my account.  (I let a friend use it sometimes.)
> It persisted, though, so I called IBM for help.  I
> was finally (after long waits) told that no one
> else was using it and that the reason I could not
> login was that I was using Linux.
>
> The support person told me that they'd changed
> their DNS server and that it caused manually-
> configured systems to be unable to login.  I told
> her I don't care about her DNS servers (I use my
> own.) and would like to speak with someone who
> knows more about PPP.  She told me that everyone
> else would say the same thing and that all she
> could do is send me Linux connection info.
>
> Grrrrr...
>
> So, I decided to stop using kppp because I was
> not able to get any useful diagnostics from it.
> (Yes, I had debug/kdebug on.)  I made all of the
> config files for plain pppd and I was able to
> connect without a hitch.  (And, no, I'm still
> not using IBM's DNS.)
>
> So...what gives?  What did IBM do to break kppp
> and why won't they just tell us?  Their Linux
> PPP setup document
>         http://help.ibm.net/helplib/linuxp.html
> was last updated in February, so it doesn't
> offer any help.
>
> I like having the command-line PPP dialup
> working, but kppp was pretty cool.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --kyler

Try to use latest version of kppp ...  I've similar problem with older
version of kppp with PAP before!


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MerefBast)
Subject: need help with multi-media CD-ROM
Date: 04 Aug 1999 09:39:35 GMT

   Hi. I am the art director for a multi-media CD-ROM made by a non-profit
organization.

   We thought that we could make the CD-ROM more useful by using a web browser
interface and ISO-9660, especially so that the CD-ROM could be viewed on
Windows and LINUX.

   Well, we ran into a problem. All of the file names are stored in the
directories as upper case letters. All of the file references in the HTML
documents are also in upper case letters. Unfortunately, LINUX seems to mount a
CD-ROM with all file names in lower case, resulting in broken links and missing
pictures.

   The mastering software we are using can only write names in upper case
letetrs, unless it is creating a disk for the Macintosh. We could create a disk
image and then hand edit all the file names and then use that as the master,
but there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 files and there is no way
we can come up with the volunteer labor to hand edit that many entries (and
make sure there are no mistakes in the process).

   So, is there any way to get LINUX to mount a CD-ROM with upper case letter
file names instead of the default lower case letter file names? It sure would
be a shame to have to give up on LINUX when we are this close.

   Please send your answer to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I have intermittent access
to the internet and newsgroups.

   Thanks.

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From: Mats Pettersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ftp/ncftp hang or timeout on large files
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:41:19 +0200

David A. Rogers wrote:
> 
> I'm running Redhat 5.2.  Large (153 meg) downloads consistently hang or
> timeout at the very beginning.  Zero bytes are downloaded.  Anyone see this
> before?

Just a thought, are you shure you have enough free diskspace?

Mats

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From: Richard Hobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: pam-0.64-4
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:24:04 +0100

Hi all,

I'm trying to install the above on my Linux PC (originally Redhat 5.0)
and am told,

libcrack.so.2 is needed by pam-0.64-4

What is libcrack.so.2 and what library do I need to update to get it?

Thanks for any help,

-- 
Rick
_______________________________________________________________________



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From: nobody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: PPP and Linux
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:00:24 +0800

propsync wrote:

> It seems to me that everytime someone complains about no internet
> connection, they are using redhat.  Here is what I believe the problem to
> be.  During redhat setup, if you configure a lan, you are asked about what
> the gateway address is.  If you attempt to just tab over the field, redhat
> will put some default address of it's own in there.  I have no clue why the
> hell they do that!  If you don't have a gateway, this field must be left
> blank or it will not work for sure.  If you are using Kppp, dont put
> anything in the nameserver fields either.  Let Kppp handle this.  This
> question comes up everyday.
>
> Gregor Gregori� wrote in message <7o1t65$kja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I have a problem with PPP. I connect with KPPP on internet and i can't open
> >pages in netscape or talk on IRC like computer doesnt know that he is
> >connected to internet. Please help.
> >
> >Thx
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >

I don't agree .... I'm using RedHat and kppp ...
I think the problem is the login method (PAP or CHAP) of the ISP ....
Try to use latest version of kppp and pppd ....
Hope this can be helpful!

Linux newbie and lover


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pieter Wenk)
Subject: Re: netscape
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:09:21 GMT

On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:11:55 -0700, James Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>> Or just go to http://wwp.mirabilis.com/10818276 - which crashes my netscape every
>> time until i switched off the java (not javascript) part of netscape. After that I
>> dont get the sudden closure of netscape. Any idea of how to fix this ?
>> 
>> It is the same problem since Net. Communicator Rel. 4.51 - Im currently up to date
>> with the 4.61
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Jesper K. Pedersen
>> 
>> PS. Perhaps Internet Explorer isnt such a bad alternative anyways... Naw... Ill
>> stick around on Linux a littelbit eventhough it starts to bear the mark of
>> Microsoft deseases...
>
>Just went there and everything came up and worked. Seemed to be very
>memory intensive (was real slow) though. Which brings a question, how
>much RAM do you have and how much swap? Also another thing I have
>noticed that can make NS crash sometimes is not having enough space on
>the partition that NS is installed on. Which libc5 do you have? I used
>to have a lot of problems with NS crashing a lot but since I've gotten
>4.61 I can't remember it crashing ever.


BTW: I just downloaded the upgrade (Version 4.5 to 4.61) ow I am just
a poor new bee with regards to Linux.

How do you upgrade ? Do I have first to move the file in the
appropriate folder prior gunzip ?

Which folder ?

Many thanks for your answers


Amicalement/Sincerely/Gr�sse
Pieter Wenk
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From: Chris Dams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux has finally crashed
Date: 4 Aug 1999 09:52:48 GMT

In comp.os.linux.x K Kal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hello guys,

: I have a big problem on my hands!

: I think I've crashed my Linux system.  I was running some applications
: in the background, and all of a sudden the system froze.  I know that
: doesn't make sense, but that's what happened!

: I tried to login remotely, but didn't get anywhere.  So I hit the reset
: button on the computer.  Now the system won't boot up!!

: As it is doing its initial boot up it says the following:

: Checking root filesystem
: /dev/hda6 contains a file system with errors, check forced

:                                                [FAILED]

: /dev/hda6: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENSY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
:                 (ie, without -a or -p options)

: *** An error occurred during the file system check
: *** Dropping you to a shell; the system will reboot
: *** when you leave the shell.

: Give root password for maintenance
: (or type Control-D for normal startup):


: Do you have any clue as to what the problem might be or even how to fix
: it/get around it???  I'm afraid I might have to re-format!!


I had exactly the same problem as you had. You should realize that linux
*does not* ``suddenly'' freeze. If your linux crashes and you have no
idea why, you can be in for *really serious* trouble. You should now run
fsck manually as said in the error message. After this you should back up
anything you consider valuable on your system. You *really* should do this. In
my case a similar crash like this occured and after this things got much
worse. This was due to hardware problems. In the end linux died. Luckily
I have a new computer now and everything runs fine.

Greetings,
Chris Dams

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From: mike murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Fwd: File locking Samba RH6 Win95 running DOS program]
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:02:17 -0500

mike murray wrote:

> So far I love Linux.
>
> I have been running my retail store on it for 1  month.
>
> I have a Samba (RH6) server with 5 Win 95 workstations.
>
> Our retail software is written for DOS. It resides on the Linux server
> and is shared to the Win workstations.
>
> Many of the data files need to be accessed from several workstations
> simultaneously.
>
> I have set:
>     File locking=yes
>     strict locking=yes
>     share mode=no  (can't run on more than 1 workstation without setting
> this no. When I try yes the other
>                                   workstation has to close the program
> and reopen the program to get access to the share)
>     oplocks=yes   (this seemed to help some)
>
> MY PROBLEM is that there is one file in accounts receivable that keeps
> getting corrupted.
>     When I am filling an order and billing the customer & my clerk is
> posting payments or looking up balances,
>     the file that keeps track of the transactions gets corrupted. It
> doesn't stop business, just some of the
>     transactions don't show up til I rebuild (rechain the indexes)
>
>     It's very annoying.  Just 1 file & rarely 1 more account file.
> I had the same problem under multi-user DOS several years ago &  solved
> it by using Novell 3.12 but Novell
> is slow as Christmas.
>
> Any hints, tips.
>
> I know that there must be other business users that are using a DOS
> based program still.
>
> Lets talk...
>
> I'm willing to try any changes,  read up if I could find more info,  PAY
> someone for a solution.


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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just a suggestion...
Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:02:35 -0700

Jeff Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[responding to my cavalier killfile policy]

>There will always be the
> relatively few who maliciously misuse newsgroups, or anything else that
> suits their fancy.  But the real irritation comes when large numbers of
> average well-meaning folks, like you and me, just fall into bad habits. 
> Those habits can be changed with a bit of cajolery.  That's all I'm
> suggesting.
But the fact is, Jeff, that people posting aol, msn, and webtv are not using
Linux and are most likely trolls.  Those that aren't are probably
writing "Where can I download linux.zip?" type posts.  These questions 
are much better handled by linux.com IMO.  

I don't know about you, but I remember usenet before aol, spam, etc.
It was a wonderful thing and a resource that I miss very much--People 
with no regard for standards (posting in html or 8-bit character sets) 
or conventions (not quoting properly) have runined it.
-ckm

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: problem solved
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:41:38 GMT

Just use the -i option with tar and set the environ variable GZIP="-q"


In article <7o50l0$79c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> pleaaaase heeeeelp
>
> I did a backup to another linux box with 'tar cvfz
> linux:/dos/file.tar.gz' I got some messages on my screen saying
> something about 'padding 0' orso. It scrolled so quick that I could
not
> read it.
> After restoring with 'tar xvfz linux:/dos/file.tar.gz' tar exits with
> status code 2. Error exit delayed from previous errors.
> I even tried 'export GZIP="-q" ; tar xvz --block-compress
> linux:/dos/file.tar.gz' but that says that block-compress is obsolete
> and now implied by --blocking-factor.
>
> how can I restore my files? I'm 100% sure that the file is NOT
corrupt.
> please help
>
> Andre
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ashley Penney)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 2 Aug 1999 02:24:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:40:32 -0500, Bobby D. Bryant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
gabbered:
:James Knott wrote:
:
:> I'm 45.  My first programming experience was also Fortran in Gr 12 in
:> high school. (1970/71).
:
:I am also 45, but I got a late start: my first computational experience was with an

[snip]

I'm only a baby! I'm 17, 18 on the 24th.  I started computing with the ever
wonderful Apple IIe, but I was only interested in games.  I then "upgraded"
to a C64, and again was only interested in games.  Then I finally moved to
a 386 running DOS 5/Windows 3.0, we moved to Windows 3.11 sometime, and then
to DOS 6 etc etc.

By the time W95 was out, we were running a 486dx2 or something similar, and
after a while of being annoyed by the sluggishness of windows (I used to try
and use Photoshop on a 486, pity me.  Oh god, pity me.)  I moved to Slackware
3.4 which was confusing as hell.  I managed to get to grips with really basic
operations, and found my way to IRC.  There the community helped me on my
feet and I'm a happy linuxer today.

The community has changed, since we've come under attack.  The world of Linux
is under attack by scared Windows trolls and newbies, and has gone a little
more cynical and hostile.  People with the right attitude still learn the same
way I did, and when they mature into skilled users, they tend to help out.

Eek, thread drift.  :)

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"I'm not lean and mean, I'm surly and anorexic". -- Chris "Saundo" Saunderson

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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: pls help: umount2: Devices or resource busy
Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:05:28 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.T. Wong) writes:

> We upgraded our PIIs from RH 5.0 to RH 6.0 (kernel 2.2.10) recently.  One of
> them is NFS server that exports filesystems to the rest of RH PCs.  However,
> the NFS server hangs up on shutdown each time with following error :
> 
> Unmounting file systems umount2: Devices or resource busy
> umount: /dev/pts: device is busy
Is the filesystem busy?  Are you using hard or soft mounts?
-ckm

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (W.G. Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: mount theory, lost space, and other sundry cack
Date: 4 Aug 99 10:23:47 GMT

"Matt Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>William Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> described how to add
>a new drive by saying:

>> 1. mount the new partition under a temporary point like /mnt
>> 2. copy /home to /mnt using the -a (archive) option
>> 3. verify that the contents have been copied (unmount the partition
>>    and remount it and then check)
>> 4. delete the contents of /home (but not the directory itself)
>> 5. add a line to /etc/fstab that mounts the partition under /home
>> 6. reboot, or better yet, just unmount the partition from /mnt and
>>    remount it on /home.

>The above excerpt clearly describes how to add a new drive to increase the
>amount of available space to your linux system.  But I still have one
>nagging question.  What happens if we skip step 4?  What happens if we don't
>delete the original content?  Let me give an example to explain further...

The new partition will be mounted over the old contents,and those old contents 
will be inaccessible (but still there and taking up disk space.) Of course you
can do this to test things out to make sure that you did not screw upbefore 
you erase all of your old work. Then once you are sure, umount /home
rm -r /home/*


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