Linux-Misc Digest #373, Volume #21 Thu, 12 Aug 99 08:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Have you heard? (Duncan Simpson)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (MK)
Re: "starve the rotten little bastards" (MK)
Re: getting winmodem to work (Jon Skeet)
Re: telnet question (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: Logging Application Messages to Console (Jon Skeet)
kernel-2.2.11 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Japanese writiong under English Linux? (Martin Schreck)
Re: mpage (krishan.purahoo@#jet.uk)
Re: What is in the kernel? (Mihaly Gyulai)
Swap problems (Steve Gage)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Best Linux dist for running SCO software? (Kingsley Tart)
Logging Application Messages to Console ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: linux mem=80M too long (krishan.purahoo@#jet.uk)
setting alarm conditions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Have you heard?
Date: 12 Aug 1999 10:40:36 GMT
Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If no one proves they hacked in; this is not proof that no one did (or
>could). M$ is heading for a big fall if it announces that it has any
>kind of hacker proof system.
Let me point out what I said on bugtraq (and Aleph One passed). Lots of
people, some of them in print (including Spafford I think), have said
these tests prove little. The major points include:
- The real experts command large consulting fees. It makes no sense for
them to render their services for nothing by particiating in these
challenges. (AFAIK Dan farmer can charge >$100 per hour, for example.)
- There is no gaurantee that a bug is reported to M$ once discovered. IF
a criminal discovers a realy devasting bug then he/she could keep it to
themselves and use it for extortion or over evil activities later.
- Lots of cracks really require a devlepoment and testing machine you have
serious access to on networks yuo can sniff, etc. Lots of windows exploit
"know" where vatrious things are, for example. Error messages and boxes
also help a lot. Without a win 2000 system for developing exploits many
problems will not be discovered.
The combined effect of these points is that this sort of exercise proves
very little. I will leace it to other people to point this out when ZD
reports it, with the added note that the machine makes a perfect place to
attack the rest of the internet from :-)
--
Duncan (-:
"software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:22:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>UMM, excuse me, but doesn't *every* OS manufacturer want this?
>> >>Doesn't Linus? (in fact Linus is content with nothing short of
> >>World Domination)
>> >It was a joke, son. Linus has gone on record repeatedly as an
>> >advocate of choice who wants people to be able to walk into a
>> >store and get Windows, MacOS, Linux, or whatever.
>> The one is not necessarily contradicting another. Sure OS seller
>> advocates choice -- otherwise, how could he get people to
>> choose _his_ OS?
>Tautologies aside, the concepts of "choice" and "World Domination" are
>contradictory, and this is what was being addressed.
Too general. How is this "world domination" actually realized? If
tomorrow 99.9% of people in the world chose Linux or BeOS, that's
not domination yet: merely a very popular choice.
Marcin Krol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "starve the rotten little bastards"
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:06:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12 Aug 1999 03:33:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>>> No, it isn't your problem, or No, that's not what you believe?
>>
>>Not my problem.
>
>Oh, but it is. Being an amoral unfeeling selfish monster doesn't
>negate your responsabilities, it just means you reject them.
Being amoral monster means that you try to impose "responsibilities"
onto other people basically because you say so.
Marcin Krol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Subject: Re: getting winmodem to work
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:23:15 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Would it be possible to somehow have NT dial and
> connect to my ISP and then have Linux use that
> connection. I guess I would like to boot into Linux,
> use an NT process to do the dialing, and then use
> Linux for my real work (I like the Unix environment
> for programming). It sure would be nice to use
> Netscape w/o having to boot into NT everytime.
> Or maybe I would have to spend the $100 to get a
> real modem.
How do you anticipate using an NT process under Linux? Obviously it can't
run natively, which would leave Wine an VMware. I very much doubt whether
these will be up to supporting your winmodem, and even if they did you'd
be unable to use the modem under "Linux proper".
Unfortunately it seems that there really isn't any way of using a
winmodem under Linux until someone starting reverse engineering. It would
be well worth reverse engineering if all the modems were the same, but I
doubt that they are... I've contemplated messing around with my own
winmodem at home under Linux, but there are a number of reasons why I
can't do it at the moment. Maybe when I've got a new computer...
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: telnet question
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:05:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to transfer files from a computer i've telnetted to, to
> my own computer ?
Try 'man rcp' , it's for 'remote-copy' between computers...
(Ftp is another method...)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Subject: Re: Logging Application Messages to Console
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:30:06 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a PC which is periodically making a connection via modem to a
> paging service, and I'd like to take the messages that are going
> to /var/log/messages for that specific application alone, and put it to
> a console, say tty3. I'd like to have this for troubleshooting
> purposes. Can anyone tell me how to do this? The machine is running
> redhat linux 5.1
If you know something you can grep for in the messages for that
application, you can do something like:
tail -f /var/log/messages | grep my_application > /dev/tty3
You have to have access to the message file and tty3, of course - that
probably means being root.
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: kernel-2.2.11
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:27:50 GMT
Anyone else get this?
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h: In function `page_address':
In file included from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/locks.h:8,
from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/blk.h:5,
from init/main.c:23:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:17: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first
use in this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:17: (Each undeclared identifier is repor
ted only once
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:17: for each function it appears in.)
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/pagemap.h:18: warning: control reaches end of non-
void function
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h: In function `get_pgd_slow':
In file included from /usr/src/linux/include/linux/vmalloc.h:7,
from /usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:101,
from init/main.c:26:
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h:408: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first u
se in this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h: In function `pte_alloc_kernel':
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h:497: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first u
se in this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h:505: warning: control reaches end of non-v
oid function
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h: In function `pte_alloc':
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/pgtable.h:515: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first u
se in this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h: In function `virt_to_phys':
In file included from init/main.c:26:
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:112: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first use in
this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:113: warning: control reaches end of non-void f
unction
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h: In function `phys_to_virt':
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:117: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first use in
this function)
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:118: warning: control reaches end of non-void f
unction
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h: In function `check_signature':
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h:175: `PAGE_OFFSET_RAW' undeclared (first use in
this function)
make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1
--
Fred
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From: Martin Schreck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Japanese writiong under English Linux?
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:11:27 +0900
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High there, anybody out there who knows a
good program to write Japanese
on an English Linux? Something like the
Unionway stuff for Windows for
instance?
programname as keyword will be fine I guess.
Thanks
Martin
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From: krishan.purahoo@#jet.uk
Subject: Re: mpage
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:25:05 GMT
QNo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: Where can i find the latest version of mpage (source or binaries)?
: Thanks a lot
: Christian
Try an ftp search for 'mpage' @ http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/
Hope this helps
krishan
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is in the kernel?
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:17:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jerry Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I there a way to take a vmlinuz file and find out what options or
> drives are compiled into it.
I don't think it would be possible...
Try to get the '.config' file from the kernel source-directory.
(it should be there)
If it's a precompiled kernel, it may contain many options
that you don't really need, so you should compile a new kernel...
> someone else made ... so that I could create
> a .config file to make the same kernel.
If it's that good configured kernel, there should be the
.config file in the source-dir!
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Swap problems
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:30:34 GMT
Hello folks,
I just installed a new drive, put RH 6.0 on /dev/hdb1. I have
you-know-what on /dev/hda1. I have a small /dev/hda5 that I want to use
for a swap partition. I used fdisk, marked it with the "82" swap
partition signature, but swapon won't use it: "invalid argument". What
can I do to make it work? I'd like to have my swap on the other physical
disk from my Linux...
TIA
- Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:00:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:29:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
wrote:
>> >The advantage of a nationalized health care system is the elimination
>> >of bureaucracy, elimination of competition and redundancy, elimination
>> >of much profiteering by corporations, doctors and hospitals.
>> ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL
>> Maybe you talk about planet Xyzzy, but definitely not about planet
>> Earth! On planet Earth, precisely proliferation of bureaucracy and
>> poor and expensive management of health care is what is hallmark of
>> nationalized healthcare.
>> >This is
>> >why a nationalized scheme *MUST* be cheaper.
>> Your "must be" is basically because you say so. The problem is,
>> it plain is not that way. Try UK, France, most of Europe, basically
>> any country with nationalized healthcare. Same problem.
>Some facts:
>1. US healthcare spending per person is 3.5 times higher than UK
>healthcare spending per person
>
>2. In the UK, people live longer than in the USA, and have lower infant
>mortality.
>
>3. In the UK, mortality up to the age of 50 is lower than in any
>other country in the world.
OK. I believe those facts. I have never claimed that US has to
be better in everything in the world. Jerry provided another
facts:
---
>Because the government got into the health-care "business" via
>Medicare-Medicaid, creating a bottomless pit of money from which all
>kinds of husksters draw. In 1962, I was working for $1.65/hour, 40
>hours per week, plus 100% Blue Cross & Shield. (No co-pay back then). I
>had to have an emergency appendectomy, spent one week in the hospital
>after having an experimental "vest pocket" surgery. The TOTAL bill,
>including the hospital, the doctor and anethesiologist came to $732.50.
>50 cents was for an asperin. Today, that same surgery, using the same
>materials and technique, and taking the samme amount of time, but
>staying only three days in the hospital would cost $10,000. Without the
>charges inflated by government intervention, fees, regulations, etc., it
>would have cost less than $2,000. Fraud and greed by doctors, and by
>insurance company CEOs, compounded by government waste all contribute.
---
>Doctors only have an oath to
>their income, which is why they average $275+ per hour in a society
>where the average wage is $16/hour.
---
As I have heard, American doctors managed to create much of monopoly
for them. Otherwise they would not be able to boost their wages to so
insane levels. It _has_ to result in huge costs, obviously. The reason
for it is _legal monopoly backed by government_. Another problem
is that the govt skyrockets expenses purposefully as well (previous
paragraph).
All in all, in UK the govt turned out to be nicer than in US in this
regard. OK. However, the problem is, the govt does not _have_
to be nicer. If it wants to, it is nicer. The problem with American
system seems to be that it is legally overregulated. I don't argue for
overregulation: I argue for as minimal regulations as possible. If
American doctors did not have _legal_ means to extinguish competition,
they would not be able to force what they managed to.
Marcin Krol
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From: Kingsley Tart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Best Linux dist for running SCO software?
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:50:14 +0100
> I run SCo binaries on RH 5.2 but they will not run at all on RH 6.0. I
> suspect iBCS is not install on RH 6.0 by default.
>
TVM - have found a friend with 5.2 now :-)
Cheers,
Kingsley.
> > > If you have binaries that you need to run, make sure that you
> install
> > > ibcs.
> > >
> > What is iBCS? Is it a set of libraries?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kingsley.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Logging Application Messages to Console
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:45:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a PC which is periodically making a connection via modem to a
paging service, and I'd like to take the messages that are going
to /var/log/messages for that specific application alone, and put it to
a console, say tty3. I'd like to have this for troubleshooting
purposes. Can anyone tell me how to do this? The machine is running
redhat linux 5.1
Thanks,
Brian Seppanen
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:53:59 GMT
In article <bRos3.54$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Unknown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any suggestion if it is wrong command :
> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt
> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
> or too many mounted file systems"
I recall 2 reasons:
1. you don't have compiled your kernel including 'vfat filesystem'
2. maybe it's not /dev/hda1... you can check it with 'cfdisk'
Anyway it's better to mount to something '/mnt/c', not mere '/mnt'.
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From: krishan.purahoo@#jet.uk
Subject: Re: linux mem=80M too long
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:04:09 GMT
Jonathan C Busey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I can't find a way to append my lilo to include this at boot; how can I
: have this included automatically?
In your /etc/lilo.conf file use the append option - like so
e.g
append="mem=128M"
It seems now in the new kernel (2.2) the default memory size that is
supported in the kernel is larger than the 64MB limit for the older kernels.
krishan
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: setting alarm conditions
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to set up an application to log messages to a virtual
terminal. Is there a way I can setup an alarm condition, so the
speaker beeps periodically, and can be turned off when it is noticed.
I'm in the process of setting up a paging terminal/admitting terminal
at a small hospital. Two processes get spawned at boot, one for a 5250
session, and one on tty2 for a lynx session pointing to a pager
gateway. I have the paging software set to start at boot, but on
occassion things have gotten messed up for whatever reason, and I need
to make absolutely sure that the pages are going through. I'd like to
have the process messages being written to syslog, as well as to tty3.
Is there a way I can setup an alarm condition based upon system
messages such as "no answer from remote". I'd like it to beep
periodically, but not too much. Just something to let them know there
is an error condition. I'd absolutely have to allow for some way from
them to inactivate it, without getting a hold of someone.
Say have them log into a virtual terminal (We'd rather not require a
login otherwise) and have the .bash_profile test for the condition, and
if its true prompt them to turn off the alarm. I'd really appreciate
any comments.
TIA.
Brian Seppanen
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