Linux-Misc Digest #545, Volume #21 Thu, 26 Aug 99 06:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Andomar)
How do I setup Linux as a POP3 server? ("Salvador Asturias Jr.")
DLink DE-560 (PCMCIA) driver wanted ! ("Cute Panda")
Changing core files ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
LDAP (Mark Fleming)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? ("Max Reason")
Re: Network Printing ? (Tim Moore)
Re: Tape Backup under Suse 6.0 with a SCSI Tape ("Gero H. Marten")
my monitor doesn't like Linux (Artie)
Announcement -- Printer Utility for Linux (Matt Simpson)
Re: What I think of linux. ("Jeff Mullen")
Re: high speed floating point coprocessor ("Little Rascal")
Re: How to define a console window? (Stephan Houben)
Re: How do I setup Linux as a POP3 server? (Steve Heaven)
Start X-windows with specified visual (Fung Wai Keung)
Re: Journalling FS (Oliver Stahlhut)
Re: Which distribution to use? (Michael Lam)
Re: VIA Chipset (fred smith)
ETRN sendmail ("Dirk Heinen")
Re: Communicator 4.6 kills itself ("Jim Ross")
Re: Communicator 4.6 kills itself ("Jim Ross")
Re: going thru MS proxies server.... (Bob Hauck)
Re: Can Linux share modem with Windows? (Ben Vince)
mail2news.pl - Error : unknown mailer error 127 ("Matthias Blohm")
Re: Run X windows on remote ("John Brady")
Re: Can I switch Answer YOU BET! (Stefan A. Deutscher)
Re: aquiring REDHAT ("John Brady")
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:54:26 +0200
From: Andomar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
> 1. XBasic is fully compiler-based and you can make executables.
VisualBasic can make executables, actually.
Is XBasic reasonably stable?
VisualBasic definitely isn't.
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From: "Salvador Asturias Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: How do I setup Linux as a POP3 server?
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:18:55 -0500
Does Linux have everything it needs to setup a POP3 server, or will I
need to install a separate package for that? And, how do I do that? He
have a couple of POP3 servers running on WinNT at work, and I'm thinking
that it would be better to let Linux handle that.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Salvador
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From: "Cute Panda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DLink DE-560 (PCMCIA) driver wanted !
Date: 26 Aug 1999 06:12:22 GMT
Hello Friends,
Does Red Hat Linux support DLink DE-560 (PCMCIA) ?
Where can I get the driver ?
Please help, thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Changing core files
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:16:38 GMT
Hello readers.
Is there anyway a program can change the file name
of the core file from 'core' to something else
when abort() is called?
I'm using Linux, and if I have two programs working
closely together in a common wcd, I don't want one
program's core file to overwrite the other program's
core file.
Thanks.
Godwin DaVinci
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From: Mark Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: LDAP
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:06:40 -0400
Big problems now. I download the newest release of Open LDAP off the
website and now I get this error.
[root] 503: make
ln: ./data: cannot overwrite directory
make: [all-local] Error 1 (ignored)
Initiating LDAP tests...
>>>>> Executing all LDAP tests...
>>>>> Test Directory: .
>>>>> Backend: ldbm
>>>>> Starting test001-ldif2ldbm ...
running defines.sh . ldbm
Datadir is ./data
Cleaning up in ./test-db...
Running ldif2ldbm to build slapd database...
./scripts/test001-ldif2ldbm: ../servers/slapd/tools/ldif2ldbm: No such
file or y
ldif2ldbm failed!
>>>>> ./scripts/test001-ldif2ldbm failed (exit 126)
make: *** [all-local] Error 126
Help....PLEASE ;-(
Thanks
Mark Fleming Student ICQ# 16171200
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.globaldrum.com/mfleming
http://coolbox.bowiestate.edu/~mfleming
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From: "Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:48:36 -0000
Sean wrote in message ...
> I wrote an app for windows and now I want to write a Linux version.
> I am a Linux newbie and I don't know hoe to use GTK or any X library
> for C. But if it's only for an app that sets enviroment variables it doesn't
> need the speed of C and I'm not really good in C anyways. But what
> language is the easiest to write GUI apps? Preferably with a graphical
> frontend. I want to code this app as fast as possible. It doesn't need
> to be fast or small. I just want it to look good and be easy.
You might consider XBasic, an integrated development environment
with interactive graphical GuiDesigner. XBasic is not compatible with
VisualBasic, but offers many similar capabilities. The main differences
between XBasic and VisualBasic are:
1. XBasic is fully compiler-based and you can make executables.
2. XBasic is available for both Windows and Linux (compatible).
3. XBasic is freeware and you can download via the internet.
4. XBasic function protocol is compatible with C / Linux / Win32.
See http://www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html for
more information and downloading if XBasic seems appropriate
for your purposes.
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:39:56 -0700
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.network,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Network Printing ?
> However, setup of network printing does not seem to be as
> straightforward as for local printer (Have done it at home). Could
> someone elaborate how to fill out the dialog box "Printer Server Name"
> and "Print Queue Name" in analogy to win95 terminology ? Any tricks ?
As you suspect a remote print queue is pretty much the same regardless
of religion.
"Printer Server Name" is the machine name that hosts the print queue.
In most LAN setups one or two machines handle all the printer queues.
The name must be resolvable locally (e.g. YP, DNS, local host file or
hardwired IP). "Print Queue Name" is a descriptive name such as
"SSided" or "DSided", or could also look like a machine name, such as
"mktg-1.b&w.singlesided" or "mktg-1.color.single".
Some newer IP aware printers don't need a print server. See section 11
in the Printing HOWTO.
--
timothymoore "Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
bigfoot WS Burroughs.
com
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tape Backup under Suse 6.0 with a SCSI Tape
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:44:33 +0200
Michael Scheferhoff wrote:
>
> Hallo,
>
> I want to backup my files with a SCSI tape under Suse 6.0 and I don't
> know how to do this. One tape is able to store about 3,5 GB. The only
> thing I know of the tape is that it is called DDS2.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
taper does a good job on our SuSE 6.0 system.
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
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From: Artie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: my monitor doesn't like Linux
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:30:55 GMT
I had a friend install Linux on my system because I wasn't sure how with
WIN 98 already present. I have Linux on a seperate drive. When I boot up
I either type "dos" to go to Windows or hit enter to go to Linux. I get
all the way to the login and then my monitor goes blank. Can anybody
PLEASE help me?
I have an IBM Aptive model: 2176-C33 with a Packard Bell Monitor.
Thanks,
Artie
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From: Matt Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Announcement -- Printer Utility for Linux
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:50:01 GMT
Announcement
I have released a printer cartridge utility GUI for Linux and Unix that
currently supports the Lexmark Optra 40/45 but could be expanded in the
future to support other printers or commands. The program is called
'pup' and was announced on news.freshmeat.net recently.
The program uses GTK+ and is freely available under the GPL at this web
page I set up for downloading:
http://pup.virtualave.net
--
Matt Simpson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeff Mullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:05:13 -0400
>From reading this post, what's struck me isn't so much the mean
average age, but the standard deviation!
I mean, I guess there's a little bit of deviation/deviant in every linux
user, but what I really mean is that the range of ages of people
using linux competantly is *huge!* Maybe we can all pat ourselves
on the back for that one!!
Technobyte wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>as the record goes i am 14 linux master and code cracker ex-hacker...
>hmm. what i have to say is linux taught me what i know... i am first
>used a computer when i was 9 years old the experience was great even
>though it occured in windows.. but at the age of 10 i got on the net and
>secrectly ordered a linux cd and erased my whole windows hd to put on
>linux but i got a shock i couldnt get on the net was i isntalled and set
>up linux currectly and i thought i was left with a useless piece of shit
>os.. but then i started playing with it useing ms-dos commands i knew
>and the commands were similar so is started to like it more and more and
>i never put windows back on that computer.. then soon i hooked uo my
>internet connection currectly and got on the net.. and from this whole
>experience i learned something that windows could never teach me!
>
>Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>
>> Bud Rogers wrote:
>> >
>> > Mith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > Tim Hanson wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > alann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age
of Linux
>> > > > >users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a
Commodore PET.
>> > > > >That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows
users.
>> > > >
>> > > > 51 here. My first was a Radio Shack PC-2 (still around here
someplace), then an
>> > >
>> > > Ya'll are makin me feel really young... 16... first computer
experience
>> > > was a Apple IIe I believe.... first computer owned was a 286...
(later
>> > > down the road I did own an XT though...
>> >
>> > 48. TRS-80 -- remember those? I had a Level II with Expansion
>> > Interface. A whopping 48 KB of memory and *two* 5.25" floppies. Then
>> > a Color Computer, XT clone, [234]86 clones, couple of pentiums and a
>> > PII.
>> >
>> > DOS 3 to 6.22, OS9, Win3.x, Slackware, SuSE, Debian...
>>
>> I'm 43
>> I still own (and sometimes use) my first personal computer
>> (I used many others before purchasing one). It's a Cromemco
>> Z2 (4 MHz Z-80, 48Kb memory, 2 8" floppy disks, 300 baud modem)
>>
>> I've advanced since then.
>>
>> --
>> Lew Pitcher
>>
>> Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: "Little Rascal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: high speed floating point coprocessor
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:17:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Would it be possible to utilize a 3dfx 3d-accelerator as
> a high speed floating point coprocessor, not necessarily
> for displaying anything?
>
I am curious why you would want to??? You already have one in the cpu that
handles that job and quite well.
Rascal
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From: Stephan Houben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to define a console window?
Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:09:35 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John H. Chauvin) writes:
> How do you create a console window when running GNONE and
> Enlightenment? On my SGI at work, a special console window
> is always created when I login. Any messages generated by
> applications launched from the desktop will be displayed in
> the console window.
Check out the xconsole progam.
It comes with X.
Greetings,
Stephan
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From: Steve Heaven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: How do I setup Linux as a POP3 server?
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:37:41 +0100
"Salvador Asturias Jr." wrote:
>
> Does Linux have everything it needs to setup a POP3 server, or will I
> need to install a separate package for that? And, how do I do that? He
> have a couple of POP3 servers running on WinNT at work, and I'm thinking
> that it would be better to let Linux handle that.
Try qpopper. Uou can download a Linux binary from www.qualcomm.com
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fung Wai Keung)
Subject: Start X-windows with specified visual
Date: 26 Aug 1999 08:04:58 GMT
Hi,
How to start X-windows with specified visual, like PseudoColor or
TrueColor? I have a program that should be run on PseudoColor visual while my
X-windows has TrueColor running by default.
Thanks in advance.
--
Regards,
Wai Keung, Fung
Department of Mechanical and Automation Engineering,
The Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Shatin, N.T.,
Hong Kong.
Tel: (852)26098056 Fax: (852)26036002
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From: Oliver Stahlhut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Journalling FS
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:16:41 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Is any journalling file system with quota
> to prevent tooo long fscking a big FS (RAID)
> when SW & HW crashes are occured?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Hello!
Up till now there isn't a journaled filesystem available for Linux - I
hate telling the users that they'll have to wait 45 minutes after a
system crash for the disks to be checked (80GB striped) ... well, but
fortunately SGI is going to release their (journaled) XFS under GPL in
the near future. The XFS will be included into the Linux Kernel - just a
matter of time.
Oliver
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Institut f�r Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik
und Informationsverarbeitung (TNT)
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: Which distribution to use?
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:30:30 -0400
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Richard Steiner wrote:
>I agree that some ease of use is a good thing, and that it would be nice
>if Linux were to become easier to use (and that is happening), but there
>is absolutely no reason that such a change "must" happen.
Well, to merely survive, this change may or may not happen. But to take over
the desktop, it must.
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From: fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VIA Chipset
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:46:54 GMT
davedude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Has anyone out there had problems compiling with the VIA chipset
: found on the FIC VA-503+ board? Seems to have some problem in the pci
: bus. I haven't found anythin regardin this matter. Any help would be
: appreciated =]
Nope, my K602/350 on a VA503+ board runs like a champ. What problems
are you having?
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.
============================= Proverbs 15:3 (niv) =============================
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From: "Dirk Heinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ETRN sendmail
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:45:17 +0200
Hi folks,
to deqeue the ISPs mailqeue over a dial-in line which can be opened only by
our side, not by our ISP, I want to send a scheduled ETRN to our ISPs
sendmail.
The script etrn.pl by John Beck, which is included in my linux distribution,
reads out the domain name of the server it resides on, which it shouldn't,
because the mailqeue is for a domain different to my servers. Unfortunately,
I am an absolute dummy to all that is programming languages, so I cannot
change the script.
Else I will need some different tool to do the job.
Any idea?
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,aus.comuters.linux
Subject: Re: Communicator 4.6 kills itself
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:45:55 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "David L. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > Lee Revell wrote:
> >
> > > turned off Java. Netscape is a prety shoddy piece of software in
> > > general - you can't copy and paste the normal X way, you have to
select
> > > the text, Edit | Copy, then Edit | Paste, just like in MS Windows. I
> > > would use IE in a heartbeat if it were ever ported to linux.
> >
> > Whatever gives you the idea that IE would be any better than netscape?
> >
>
> Well, for one thing, you could be reading a large document (some /.
> threads come to mind) and you could follow a link, and when you hit
> 'back', it would take you back to exactly where you were in the previous
> document, like IE does, instead of having to scroll through 5 screens to
> find where you were.
>
> I hate microsoft as much as the next guy, but IE is clearly a superior
> browser.
I think IE 5.0 is more advanced than Netscape.
Especially Netscape under Linux even at 4.61
(I'm scared that Mozilla also runs better in Windows)
But their are issues I have with IE too.
IE still can't fade-in a progressive jpeg.
IE still has a problem with the cache that click the back button often makes
IE reload the page from the Internet.
Jim
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,aus.comuters.linux
Subject: Re: Communicator 4.6 kills itself
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:48:50 -0400
Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7psubr$4jj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I don't actually like the other parts of KDE much, but KFM (the file
> manager/web browser component) is in many ways superior to IE or
> Netscape Navigator. It's also still slightly buggy and lacks many
> features, but they aren't (mostly) features I want or care about.
>
> For more features, the browser that's part of StarOffice can do
> pretty near everything the Big Two can, and it's very fast.
> --
> Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
> -Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
KFM needs Javascript I believe. Java I can live without.
Rendering is slow, a little buggy.
I like big back, forward, and stop buttons. Small buttons suck. I'd like
to choose big buttons.
It would be great if KDM had the explorer bar, or form autocomplete is nice
like in IE 5.0
KDM overall is very good and very lightweight. Even better than IE 2.0 that
I keep around.
(IE 5.0 has problems with FTP sites, big time)
Jim
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: going thru MS proxies server....
Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:28:32 -0600
Larry Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am ussing an MS proxieds server here at work and I am triin gto get my
> linux box to go thru it...the web goes thru fine on port 80....but the
> smtp, pop, or nntp don't connect to my ISP.....the http does but the
> other doesn't ...anwyay Ideas..thanks ..larry
Are you sure your ISP allows connections to POP and NNTP from outside
their network? Are you sure they allow SMTP relaying from ourside their
network? More and more these days the answers to these questions are
all "no". Too many spammers and script kiddies. Might be worth asking.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Wasatch Communications Group
-| 801-272-3771
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From: Ben Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux share modem with Windows?
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:30:56 GMT
nonet@chain wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have Linux, but my LAN pals have Windows. They won't change.
> To convince them, I'd like to let them share my modem through
> Linux, something Windows can't do.
>
> Can this be done? Suggestions? Starters?
>
> Thanks
Ah, but you can share your modem through windows as well, a program called
artisoft ModemShare can be found at www.artisoft.com. But i still don't
know howto set up a modem sharing procedure on Linux, i think you've got to
get a program called IP Masqurade (?). If you want linux to share modems i
wouldn't bother!! Use windows for it!
Regards
Ben Vince
PS I like what you are saying though, ditch windows and get Linux, i can't
because of the modem sharing problem like yours!! Email me:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]!
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From: "Matthias Blohm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mail2news.pl - Error : unknown mailer error 127
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:48:32 +0200
Hello,
is there anybody who knows these Problem and can help me.
In the aliases file is that included : company: "|
/usr/local/scripts/mail2news.pl company"
and the Newsgruop exist. There are no permission on that group.
But my sendmailer writes that back to me. I've tried two other scripts, but
finally with the same error.
Thanks in advance
Matthias
Error :
=================
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 127
----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: /usr/local/scripts/mail2news.pl: No such file or directory
554 "| /usr/local/scripts/mail2news.pl company"... unknown mailer error
127
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From: "John Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run X windows on remote
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:57:37 +1000
MicroImages MI/X is a freeware X client that's fine on win98 and nt 4.0, at
http://www.microimages.com/
I was very chuffed to find it. It's one of the only two freeware/shareware?
X Window client that I could find after extensive looking.
JohnB
Jeffrey Pajor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>You need an X Windows client for you Windows 98 machine.
>
>HummingBird has a product called Exceed that I'm rather pleased with.
>http://www.hummingbird.com
>
>Jim Karsten wrote:
>
>> What is the best solution for running X windows on a remote linux
computer
>> on a local Windows 98 machine.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan A. Deutscher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can I switch Answer YOU BET!
Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:06:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:06:53 -0400, Jerry Normandin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OH MAN, That's not a bug, it's a feature!
That is not quite correct. Any rea(sonab)l(e) flavour of UNIX refuses to
start more processes when virtual memory (RAM + Swap) is exhausted and
it begins even to kill apps if needed for the OS to stay up.
However, this feature is not very reliable yet in Linux, but it _is_
found in other free UNICes. A good example is FreeBSD, which is accepted
to be more reliable in, amongst other issues, low memory situations,
than Linux. Walnut creek uses it for it's servers (www.cdrom.com) for
very good reasons. Linux still has flaws in low memory situations, no OS
should react with a kernel panic when new apps cause it to runs out of
swap. For more on the issue, see http://www.bsd.org/ and related links.
The in that regard best (most stable, most tunable) commercial UNIX
flavour I have seen and administered is IBM AIX -- and I am very pleased
to see that there is an effort to bring AIX back to the Intel Platforms.
IBM Project Monterey:
http://www.ibm.com/servers/monterey/overview/goals.html
This is where I'll go should my copies of OS/2 magically stop working
one day, by the way. Should disaster strike before, I'll fall back to
FreeBSD. Well, actually, compared to the M$ alternative, I should say
"fall forward".
>YOU need to create an adequate swap for any flavor of Unix. Linux
>included. How much memory? How much swap? I've got 128MB and 256MB
>swap. I never had a problem, however when I was debugging some code
>that digitizes video to a raw device and then extracts the video frames
>I had a memory leak.. sure the swap grew.. but I was able to kill the
>app and fix the code. Linux is very stable. You don't want to fill up
>the swap on any machine.. If you allow that to happen the current app
>swapping would probably segfault.
Right, that is all that _should_ happen, but often enough Linux gets
unstable as well.
>Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Clay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
>> >BTW, why _is_ it that Linux is so much more stable than OS/2? Does it
>>
>> I have had Linux lock up with the same frequency or more than
>> OS/2. Just try filling up your swap partition. Many times
>> Netscape 4.61 locked up on the x-server, however, one nice thing
>> about Linux, is that "kill -9" or a a x-server reboot cures it
>> all. I think one reason that some people don't lock up the
>> x-server as much as PMShell, is that there is not as much to do
>> on the x-sever (I use KDE), however, when I have it fully loaded
A few corrections are in place. KDE is not the X server but the window
manager. You are right that it does little compared to the WPS.
The thing that locks up on Warp is, more often than not, the WPS rather
than the PM system. They are two different animals.
You can run OS/2 with the PM system but without the WPS. If you make
sure that your <bootdrive>:/startup.cmd starts a command line window.
>From that command line window (I call mine "Console" for obvious UNIX
reasons) you can start new command line (VIO) windows or full screen
sessions for what ever you wish to do, as well as PM apps.
Process control via the task list (Ctrl-ESC) will still work. The system
will need much less memory than a WPS setup, and it will be much more
stable, but you will lose all the neat functionality of the WPS we have
got accustomed to.
In short, you'll find yourself with a system remotely resembling UNIX
with X and a simple window manager. i
Now, regarding the features of PM compared to X, one has to say that PM
falls short of X in a couple of places: The lack of network transparent
graphics is the most cumbersome one for me. The shortcomings of the VIO
windows compared to xterms and of cmd.exe compared to any reasonable
UNIX shell (like tcsh, bash, zsh) are just as obvious to anyone who has
actually used the two systems extensively.
I do, and I love them both. It is no accident that my PCs still run OS/2
(with WPS), but I have XFree installed, as well as a UNIX shell (tcsh)
for interactive work and one (actually, two: sh and ksh) for scripting.
If IBM had been smart they would have integrated an optional POSIX
subsystem in OS/2, complete with X and all the UNIX tools the heart of
the UNIX dude can crave. (Not surprisingly, Mickey$oft has finally
smelled the music and annouced to include some more UNIXish tools with
their next NT offering, what and when ever that may be.)
IBM do have the technology all along, the even used to have AIX for the
PC AT, but at times it seems as if they just have their heads to far up
the arse to see what assets they have at their disposal.
Cheers,
Stefan
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From: "John Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: aquiring REDHAT
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:15:15 +1000
In Austalia go to www.bowtie.com.au and order red hat 6.0 for something like
$4. Because I mistrusted paying over the net I took the cod option which
brought the total cost of my cd up to $10. I'm happy.
JohnB
Andrew Carroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I still can't see why RedHat charge $80. How many CD's do you get with
>it ? Plus they sell a Powertools CD which costs extra.
>
>I use SuSE, which currently (v6.2) comes with 6CD's full of programs.
>It probably costs about half as much as RedHat in the US (I'm in the
>UK).
>
>Is the 6.0 version better value than the 5.x edition ?
>
>Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Regards
>
>Andrew
>yan seiner wrote:
>>
>> I'd go for the official release. It's only $80, and it comes with a LOT
of
>> useful documentation. Perfect for a newbie.
>>
>> Yan
>>
>> greg wrote:
>>
>> > hello, i guess ill start by saying i was a windows junky however i
would
>> > love to try redhat 6.0 does anyone have the free download to send via
>> > email or can tell me of a way to download off the linux sight? im just
>> > not sure whaich files i need to copy ,yikes lol this is a whole new
ball
>> > game if someone out there is willing to help eme at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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