Linux-Misc Digest #576, Volume #21 Sun, 29 Aug 99 02:13:11 EDT
Contents:
passwd problem (David Polinsky)
Re: It's crashed yet again! (Spike!)
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? (Chris Campbell)
SCSI Scanner question (Chris Campbell)
Re: Dumb ? diff between Hedwig and Venus (Chris Campbell)
Re: Where on earth is 'bing'? (Bernd Eckenfels)
Re: What is in the kernel? (Nick Urban)
Re: making linux go away (Mohd H Misnan)
Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (Jack Zhu)
dosemu and freedos (Josh Udall)
Re: Any Voodoo 3000 (OEM) drivers for Linux ? ("Steven K. Iinuma")
Re: Oops, Need some repair help ("Jeanette Russo")
Re: VMware - wow! (Spike!)
Re: *nix vs. MS security (snoopy)
Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX? ("Adam C. Emerson")
EPS = EPSI (Martin Schreck)
Blackbox :: Blackbox : connection to Xserver failed ("bobs")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Polinsky)
Subject: passwd problem
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:58:52 GMT
I want to change the password for root, because, at the moment, there
is no password for root.
When I type passwd, I get the following.
Changing password for root
Enter old password: [I enter a CR]
Enter new password:
Re-type new password:
setpwnam: File exists
Password *NOT* changed. Try again later.
What do I need to do to change the root password?
passwd is from util-linux 2.9u
kernel is 2.2.10
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: It's crashed yet again!
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:47:31 +0100
William D. Leara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> Try XFCE3. No Worries. I can crash them all from twm to kde. XFCE
>> never has crashed to a place that I couldn't get another term and get
>> outa it..
>>
>> And I do Crazy Stuff.... Vmware inside of vmware??????
> Sounds like something MC Escher might do on his computer . . .
Heh... Well, I think most people have felt silly once in a while and done
something similar...
I've had a ZX Spectrum emulator running in a QL emulator running on a SunOs
box...
I could try adding another layer by having the QL emulator running on WINE
running on linux....
:)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Campbell)
Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:09:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually the points you make about resolution are very valid. I must
admit to being a bit of a snob about it. I'm in the Army, and at work
we all have 21" screens. (tax dollars at work) At home, I finally
broke down and bought myself a Nec Multisync 70, with a large screen.
So I run everything at the same 1024x768.
Niiiice.
Chris
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:33:23 GMT, grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Campbell wrote:
>><rant>
>>
>>Why is that, exactly? I've heard the same thing from many other
>>so-called HTML experts.
>
>>I want something that will do the code for me, which is
>>where a WYSIWYG editor shines.
>
>None of the one's I've tried did. Either shine or do the code
>for me.
>
>Frontpage is a piece of shit. It mucks about with fonts so
>that pages don't render readably on displays with resolutions
>different that the creator's. It can't layout tables in a
>decent way (it hard-codes column widths), and so on. URLs it
>puts in aren't done properly, so you can't move the page
>without it breaking.
>
>Other WYSIWYG editors I've tried were almost as bad. They
>just wouldn't handle things I wanted to do. Forms are a big
>problem for some of them.
>
>HotMetal was about as close to usable as anything.
>
>>You make those statements like "you should know HTML well enough..." I
>>make those statements like, "No, I shouldn't. I don't have the time,
>>not the inclenation. However, if my boss says make a page, I must do
>>it, so I will, but I won't try to be what I'm not.
>
>If you don't care about generating a well-designed, portable,
>usable page, then go ahead and use one of those programs that
>generates pages that only work with _one_ particular server and
>browser at _one_ display resolution.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Campbell)
Subject: SCSI Scanner question
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:09:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Under RH 5.2, on bootup my scsi card would be scanned, and all the
devices attached to it would also be scanned, and their information
would appear in the boot-time messages. I have two hard drives, a zip,
and a scanner.
There were no problems with any of the devices, and in fact all of
them worked just fine.
However, I wiped my Linux area, and loaded RH 6.0 (Hedwig) clean.
Now my scanner causes a lockup of some kind. All I know is the boot up
process stops at it's section, and the light on the scanner starts
blinking indicating activity, and that's it. In fact, if I have it on
when I try to load Linux for the first time, it never gets past the
device to get to Disk Druid.
Anyone see this before, and/or have an idea how I can have my scanner
on so it gets identified, yet doesn't cause a lockup?
Specifics:
Red Hat 6.0 (Hedwig) from Cheap Bytes
Adaptec AHA-2940 SCSI Controller
Mustek 600 II CD SCSI Scanner
Seagate ST31230N 1GB SCSI Hard Drive (Linux Drive)
Western Digital Enterprise 4GB SCSI Hard Drive (FAT32 Drive w/Win98)
Iomega SCSI Zip-100
All the IDs are valid. Everything works now except the scanner, since
it can't be on at boot up, I think. I can have it on during BIOS boot,
so it can get recognized by the controller, but not during the Linux
boot process.
TIA,
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Campbell)
Subject: Re: Dumb ? diff between Hedwig and Venus
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:09:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, I think I understand. I meant only the kernels, Hedwig and Venus,
not the diffs between Mandrake and RH. One is 2.2.5-15 and the other
2.2.9-19?
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:08:05 -0700, "Steven K. Iinuma"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The difference I noticed between the stock kernels of R.H 6.0 (2.2.5-15)
>and Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-19) was that on the Mandrake 6.0 kernel I found
>out that I couldn't use the mount -t vfat command to gain access to my
>FAT 32 partition. I removed Mandrake 6.0 since I found out that I
>couldn't access my FAT 32 partition. Other than that they basically are
>the same.
>
>Mandrake 6.0 comes with a more updated version of kernel 2.2.x, KDE,
>GNOME, etc...it even comes with features like CD-R utilities unlike th
>Red Hat 6.0.
>
>
>Chris Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> What's the difference between Red Hat 6.0 (Hedwig) and Mandrake 6.0
>> (Venus)?
>> Are Hedwig and Venus two different kernels?
>> TIA,
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Campbell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://members.xoom.com/tech33/
>> Tech33 on the IRC
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From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Where on earth is 'bing'?
Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:09:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking Ramon F Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be only an old version available (1.0.4) which
> doesn't compile in the platforms I need (Solaris and Linux).
Filename: dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/net/bing_1.0.4-5.1.deb
This is the recent debian package for bing. So I think it should be able to
compile on linux :)
Greetings
Bernd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Urban)
Subject: Re: What is in the kernel?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:56:13 -0700
I don't think so. The kernel is a binary file. It would be much easier to
build a new kernel than to try and to some kind of decompilation.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I there a way to take a vmlinuz file and find out what options or
>drives are compiled into it. In other words can I take a kernel that
>someone else made and run grep or something so that I could create
>a .config file to make the same kernel.
>Thanks for any help! Please email me if you know about something.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd H Misnan)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: 29 Aug 1999 00:15:38 GMT
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:41:28 +0800, Tristan Jones wrote:
>i found that the easiest way to get "linux to go away" is to dig up a copy
>of red hat, start the install and use disk druid to delete partitions. then
>use a dos boot disk (or a win95/98 one) and type:
>
>fdisk /mbr
>
>lilo will be removed and your disk(s) completely empty.
If you've a bootable MS-DOS disk with fdisk, the above can be a very simple
thing to do. Run fdisk and delete all those non-DOS partitions, change that to
Win95/98 partitions and run fdisk /mbr to clear up LILO code inside your master
boot record.
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From: Jack Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:26:09 -0400
Paul Kimoto wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Zhu wrote:
> > 1. Lots of bug, and much more than ones of RH 5.0 which I used before.
> > For example: I installed Oracle 8.0.5 for RH 5.0(Kernel 2.2.1)
> > successfully many times(without doing any Linux side patch update). But
> > I cannot install on RH 6.0 following the same way I used. Finally I find
> > a web site to 'teach' me how to install Oracle 8.0.5 under RH6.0.
>
> Why is this Red Hat's problem rather than Oracle's? There are lots of
> postings saying something like, "Oracle wants me to do _____; how do I
> do that?" Why is it only Oracle's users who want to do this particular
> task, and why don't they tell their users how to do it?
>
OK. The same Oracle 8.0.5 CD, different RH version, 6.0 and 5.0, works for
5.0, not work for 6.0. You still think this is Oracle's problem? I'm not
saying Oracle has some advantage than RH, of course RH is far behind that
Oracle in enterprise computing ares. I try to say: with Oracle 7 or 8, if I
want to install it on NT 3.5 or 4.0, there's no such problem existing in RH
6.0.
>
> > 3. When I try to upgrade to kernel 2.2.11, the boot warning message is
> > like 'System map don't match'. Does RH force their customers only stick
> > with Kernel 2.2.5?
>
> This warning message is issued by klogd(8), and IS NOT SERIOUS.
> I suggest that you read the appropriate man page. By the way, you
> could have learned this by reading these newsgroups for a week or so,
> or by using the Deja archives.
>
I know this msg is not serious, is nothing. But I think at least RH company
doesn't want you upgrade kernel. I also find out that RH likes to invent some
stupid stuff. For examples: everyone know there's a 'resolv.conf' file, and it
exists in RH 5.0, but in 6.0, RH uses other file to replace it. I think this
is very good example to show how stupid RH is. I mean, it's not RH 'invent'
linux, it's just a distributor. This is common knowledge that 'resolv.conf'
file is very important, RH should NOT try to change this. I don't know if
Debian or Slackware has the file. But I believe they do have.
>
> > 4.Compare Slackware 4.0 and RH 6.0, which one is better? I never get
> > chance to try Slackware. I don't need useless fancy things, I only need
> > the pure Linux.
>
> What do you mean by "pure"? Linux is a kernel. You can get that from
> kernel.org.
>
I mean 'pure' means just follow the basic Linux community idea(such as it does
have a 'resolv.conf' file), don't try to add stupid RH stuff into RH package.
I heard Slackware is the best in this point.
> --
> Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Like I said, RH 5.0 is OK, I regret that I upgrade to 6.0 version. The reason
of RH sucks maybe its stock rose too much recently. So I hope it drops a lot
to make RH guys produce better package. BTW, I will change to Slackware.
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From: Josh Udall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dosemu and freedos
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:12:08 -0400
Using boxed RH 6.0 install.
After hours of work, I find RH 6.0 is already to go with "xdos". No
setup-hdimage or anything. But I'm still stumped. I'd like to create
some of my own *.dexe files but I'm stuck.
Several files seemed out of place in RH 6.0. I had to make a couple
symbolic links to solve a few initial mkdexe errors (e.g. ln -s
/usr/bin/do_mtools /var/lib/dosemu/do_mtools)
With that done, when I command (in the /var/lib/dosemu dir):
mkdexe gregor.zip -xs gregor_dosemu.exe -o confirm
I get:
Archive: /var/lib/dosemu/gregor.zip
exploding GREGOR.EXE
...
/var/lib/contrib/dosC/dist/ipl.sys: No such file or directory
/var/lib/contrib/dosC/dist/kernel.exe: No such file or directory
/var/lib/contrib/dosC/dist/command.com: No such file or directory
/var/lib/commands/exitemu.com: No such file or directory
/var/lib/contrib/dosC/dist/boot.bin: No such file or directory
taking builtin boot sector
Cannot creat entry named . or ..
cp /var/lib/dosemu/dconfig.default: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/mkexe: vi: command not found
These missing files are the exact files I see when I start "xdos".
However, when I command:
do_mtools hdimage.freedos mdir n: or
do_mtools hdimage mdir n:
I get a whole different list of files. The 'missing' files above are
not listed. Thus, I can't copy them to an ad hoc
'/var/lib/contrib/dos_C/dist/' directory.
Questions:
1) What am I doing wrong (how can I fix) the making of *.dexe's?
1.5) Using "xdos -C hdimage.freedos" or "xdos -C hdimage" seem to give
the same result, even though they are different files of very different
sizes. (The -C option tells xdos to use that particular image.) What
image is "xdos" really using?
2) How can I copy gregor.zip to the dosemu image, open it, play with it,
as if I was on a dos machine?
E.G. When I command:
do_mtools hdimage.freedos mcopy gregor.zip n:/gregor.zip
it copies - but copies 'short'. It doesn't seem to get all the file in
it. In addition, I can't see the file (gregor.zip) in the "xdos"
virtual window I have running. So I couldn't do anything with it
anyway.
please help, any assistance appreciated.
Josh Udall
P.S.
mount -t msdos -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 hdimage.freedos /mnt/cdrom
I always get 'wrong fs type' and I can't seem to be able to mount any
image with any of the different fstypes.
Josh
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From: "Steven K. Iinuma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Any Voodoo 3000 (OEM) drivers for Linux ?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:21:22 -0700
Thank you, but I downloaded the XFree86 server.
Hmm..however, you gave me a clue.
I'm going to keep Windoze since I will need it if I need to play
certain games that don't run under Linux.
Adrian Hands wrote:
>
> "Steven K. Iinuma" wrote:
> My son has it working on his RedHat 6.0 system.
> He downloaded a Voodoo3-enabled replacement for /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA
> from:
>
> http://glide.xxedgexx.com/3DfxRPMS_vb_glibc.html
>
> Also, make sure your color depth (bpp) isn't set too low.
>
> There, better now? Now you can remove that 98 partition.
>
> >
> > I'm running a dual boot Win 98/RH 6.0 Linux with Kernel 2.2.5-22.
> > I was wondering if there are any Linux drivers besides the generic
> > XFree86 (3.3.3.5) drivers.
> >
> > When I run the GNOME desktop manager. The colors don't show right,
> > especially if I run Netscape 4.51. For example web pages load, but
> > the colors don't show up correctly.
> >
> > Other problems I have noticed the icons inside the desktop manager
> > look grainy. I don't need any 3D or OpenGL support, but I would like
> > it if my Voodoo 3000 acted like a normal video card by displaying
> > the colors as they should be instead of Netscape showing up odd
> > colors or my taskbar looking grainy. Even my the SiS 6326 card I
> > had displayed my colors as they should be.
> >
> > Question: Is any anybody running RH 6.0 with Kernel 2.2.5-22 with
> > either KDE or GNOME installed using the Voodoo 3000 AGP
> > card. If so, what drivers are you using?
> >
> > When will 3dfx release Linux drivers!?!
> > Ugh...I'm glad I still have Windoze, at least my card works there.
> >
> > Thank you for suggestions.
> > --
> > Please reply to the newsgroup. If you need to contact me via e-mail
> > then remove "sd".
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From: "Jeanette Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oops, Need some repair help
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:34:19 -0500
Hi Spike,
Since my last post I reran e2fsck -f -b /dev/hda5 and hda6 and found a bunch
of problems on hda6 which were fixed. However my system still boots up in
RO mode. Is there some kind of lock file or something that could be
preventing this from mounting?
Jeanette
Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jeanette Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I did run fsck it found no errors. However I have to manually mount the
> > partitions now. I am stuck in single user mode. No PPP, No Sound, No
good.
> > I don't think there is any damage but I don't know what to do to get
this
> > thing back to normal. Can anyone provide help? etc/fstab looks the
same as
> > always. This system was functioning perfectly before the crash?
>
> What command (exactly) did you type when you ran fsck?
>
> --
>
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:28:21 +0100
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The VM approach goes in the opposite direction; instead of having
> fine-grained threading where you share as much as possible, you move
> to having completely separate virtual machines, where in order to get
> data between VMs, some Special Code needs to be invoked.
Have you ever heard of uQLx? It's the linux QL emulator, and one of the
recent additions to that is the ability to make it fork into separate copies
of itself so you can have multiple QLs working on the same machine.
I think the inter-process communication between these forks is done rather
cleverly with the QL network emulation... This means all the virtual QLs can
talk to each other using the standard SuperBASIC interpreter...
(could be wrong though)
Just thought I'd mention it because it seems to be a similar thing to what
you were talking about.
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From: snoopy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:31:00 GMT
The users question is interesting. I am almost done with my B.S. in physics
that I am working on at a large, major U.S. University. That his professor
(is your class in academia at all?) would say that is so typical of
academicians. They see everything in terms of hypotheticals and cannot
understand reality. Yes, I think that ideally what he is saying is correct,
but in reality (which is what matters) it doesn't work that way. First of
all, any corporation invariably has multiple agendas, not all of which may
be _totally_ consistent with system security. This is because the
penultimate agenda of a free enterprise organization (such as Microsoft,
which is the case given) is to turn a profit...a system security agenda is
secondary, or 'nth'dary' to that main agenda. This means that system
security may never be as good as it could be. In simple terms, if Microsoft
can dupe you into buying their product, _no matter how good their products
system security actually is_, they have satisfied their main agenda. Given
this fact, and given the fact that just about all corporations have
hundreds of agendas (all of them, not surprisingly, tied to their
penultimate agenda in some, perhaps convoluted way), all but one of which
you will never know about, it is really difficult to trust a company like
Microsoft to write code in your
best security interests in the first place. As an example, suppose they
wanted a way to get a back door into your software in order to shut down
illegal copies of their software, an example of some hidden agenda, and
they had to compromise system security to do it (making it easier for a
potential security hole to emerge in the first place). These are the kinds
of pragmatic issues acamadicians are simply incapable of understanding, in
my experience.
Secondly, the knife cuts both ways: If software code is closed, then
security hole patches cannot be supplied nearly as fast as if the code were
open. Now, if all else is symmetric in our comparison, then the professors
argument is _totally_ nullified. Your professor needs to convince us (or
you) that the situation is _not_ perfectly symmetric. By symmetric, I just
mean that the _practical_ (read realized-something that can be objectively
measured. Gee what a novel thought) threat produced by open software, as
described by the prof, is equal to the _practical_ threat produced by
closed software (because patches are slow to come-or never come, much more
common than many may like to know). I think anyone familiar with
the statistics will see my point here. Your prof needs to stick to things
purely theoretical.
Finally, your prof is flat, bald faced wrong on his assertion about who
uses what OS. The bigger the operation, and the more reliability is of a
concern, the greater the probability that the entity is using a POSIX based
OS (read most flavors of Unix, including Linux and FreeBSD). It is
precisely when the IT skill levels drop, when system demands are lowered,
and when reliability falls, that you see more of NT. Period.
Hope that offered some useful thoughts.
Peace
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From: "Adam C. Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is best HTML Editor for LINUX?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:36:21 GMT
Chris Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <rant>
> Why is that, exactly? I've heard the same thing from many other
> so-called HTML experts.
> Analogies that spring to mind:
> don't use a word processor to write a book, use a simple editor such
> as VI
> don't use a calculator, do it by hand.
> don't use scripts, type each line by hand.
> As I said these are simple. Why should I study HTML, to be able to
> make a web page? I don't need to know the codes, nor do I want to know
> the codes. I am a busy sys admin with many other jobs that need to get
> done, who just happens to be the one with enough knowledge to try to
> do a web page. I want to be able to point and click and make one, not
> learn the code behind it. If I wanted to do that, or had the time to
> do it, I wouldn't be a sys admin, or a manager, or a secretary or
> whatever, I'd be a web page designer. Since I'm NOT a web page
> designer, I want something that will do the code for me, which is
> where a WYSIWYG editor shines.
> You make those statements like "you should know HTML well enough..." I
> make those statements like, "No, I shouldn't. I don't have the time,
> not the inclenation. However, if my boss says make a page, I must do
> it, so I will, but I won't try to be what I'm not.
> </rant>
For one thing, most automatic web-page generators don't generate HTML.
(At least not what the W3C calls HTML.) Secondly, for those that do,
they usually generate a page made to look exactly the same when
someone is using the same browser, fonts, and screen resolution. A
book is meant to be read by a person, always on paper and in the same
way. (You mean you don't use VI and Troff?) Use a script, but write
it and understand it. Don't get some thing like Pygmalion to do it
for you. Use a calculator, but have some understanding of arithmatic
so you can tell if you hit the wrong key.
A web page is a description of content where presentation should ideally
come secondarily to structure. What may look nice on Internet Explorer
or Netscape may be quite difficult to use when someone needs to use it
with lynx, not to mention a speech or Braille or some other browser
formatter which you may not have thought of. All Generators focus
on the presentation, but not the structure. Besides, we have too
many webpages made by graphic designers who have only viewed them
over the company intranet. They have no idea how something they've
done (like adding too many graphics or splitting a good page-length
document into screenfuls (on their resolution) could affect the
viewers, but if they had some idea of the technology (even if just a
bit) it would help immensely.
--
Adam C. Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.calvin.edu/~aemers19
"Why finish when you can start a new thing to half do?"
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From: Martin Schreck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: EPS = EPSI
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:30:02 +0900
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I am using Applixware. It offers me to import EPSI-Files. Is that same
to EPS? Because when I import it I don't see the picture but only a gray
surface. So either the EPS-file is broken or EPS is not equal EPSI.
Who can help me?
Thanks in advance
Martin
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From: "bobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Blackbox :: Blackbox : connection to Xserver failed
Date: 29 Aug 1999 04:49:11 GMT
Hi
I'm running Red Hat 6 on a pentium 100. I recently installed Blackbox
0.50.5 by - ./configure - make - make install - make clean ..
Then rebooted into user mode not super user(this mode can't find blackbox)
and typed blackbox in my home directory and got an response ".. connection
to X server failed".
How can this be if the installation had no problem at all? I didn't even
need to type ./configure --includeDIR=*** or --libDIR=*** as ./configure
was able to find them.
The blackbox directory is in /home/themes/blackbox-0.50.5
Any ideas will be given a try.
bye
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