Linux-Misc Digest #73, Volume #24                 Fri, 7 Apr 00 22:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Why linux will never go beyond geekdom (A Guy Called Tyketto)
  Re: News Readers for Linux (Bit Twister)
  Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Harlan Grove)
  How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Kill! (Juice)
  Re: how to mount a second hard drive (Harlan Grove)
  Re: News Readers for Linux (Acme World Domination Force)
  HP Deskjet 815 and 1120C with Linux ? (Bernard Debreil)
  [Fwd: Why??] ("David ..")
  Re: EXT2 partition size limits?  Still exist? ("David ..")
  Re: News Readers for Linux (Pjtg0707)
  Problem works..well, sorta (Cory)
  Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Anthony Mandic)
  Sound works...well, sorta. (Cory)
  problems unzipping a .gz file ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Netscape 6 won't start (Cory)
  Re: Netscape 6 (Len Philpot)
  Re: EXT2 partition size limits?  Still exist? (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Cannot connect to leafnode server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How do you remove staroffice icons? (Patrick O'Neil)

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From: A Guy Called Tyketto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why linux will never go beyond geekdom
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:21:08 GMT

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Purely because it sucks the big one, no games ! no word !

        Hmm.. no games.. Have you checked out the games projects at
Sourceforge.net? or linuxgames.com? If no games, then what really are
the Doom and Quake ports to linux all about? and even SUPPORTED by the
people that made them?

        No Word? Of course not! Who would want a Micro$haft application
running on something that isn't owned/controlled/dominated by
Micro$haft? Linux is LINUX, not some monopolistic shash forced down
everyone's throats by some company who thinks that whatever it says,
should be!

        Besides.. I guess you haven't seen StarOffice, or, more
importantly, WordPerfect for Linux.

> KDE....it stinks....Gnome.....amateur hacks with pretty graphics

        Then you really haven't seen what a desktop can do, if all you
know, is KDE and GNOME. I guess you haven't seen, ohh.. Afterstep?
WindowMaker? Blackbox? IceWM? FVWM? Enlightment? ther's more than just
the One Desktop world, out there, bud. Open your eyes (if your brain has
the capacity to understand that concept), and see the things that are
REALLY out there, not just for Linux, but for every other Unix OS
available.

                                                        BL.
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Brad Littlejohn                         | Email:        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unix Systems Administrator,             |           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! :)   |   http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Reply-To: The news group
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:22:43 GMT


Here is a reason
 http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-02.html

>Seems like no one is using Netscape 's Mozilla.

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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:36:03 -0700

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pjtg0707) wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:59:43 GMT, Mork <*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
>wrote:
>>On 7 Apr 2000 14:55:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(J Bland) wrote:
>I never understood what people do or run on those machines
>that require frequent reboots. My LAN is a mixed set of
>Win95, WIn98 and Linux machines, and none of them
>required reboots for the past 87 days or so, and all of
>the machines will be working on something, be it fitting
>data, calculating something or running some processes to
>grab something off of the Internet etc...
>Are you sure you guys having so much problems with your
>machines, whatever the OS, have them configure right?

I've crashed RedHat 6.0 running Gnome only once in the last
8 months of more or less nightly use, and I had to use the
power button to shutdown. Nice, long fsck after that. I
think I was trying to get PPP to work, so it was very
likely my fault for screwing around as root under Gnome. (I
like drag & drop editors, so flame me.)

I've crashed Windows 95 and NT much more frequently. One of
the culprits is AOL software under Win95. Squat all to
configure - just questionable quality software. As for NT,
bad things can happen when running 'unattended' software
like tape backups if you forget to disable screen savers.
Again, nothing to _configure_ per se, rather a very good
idea to remember to disable some GUI features when running
some utilities. Then there's Lotus Notes and trying to
debug forms that use LotusScript and OLE/DDE. Again, no
configuration issues, just software limitations or bugs.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:37:39 GMT

   "Everyone who uses a computer or depends on computers has
   an interest in seeing Microsoft's anticompetitive and anti-
   consumer practices curtailed by antitrust authorities.
   Microsoft's claim that it's defending its right to innovate
   is a cruel joke in an industry that sees its best innovators
   attacked by the company's anticompetitive actions.
   Microsoft's agenda isn't innovation, it's imitation, as well
   as the imposition of suffocating control over user choices
   and an ever-widening monopoly."
                        ---- consumer advocate Ralph Nader

   (See http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9811/11/nader.idg/ )

** In the story below, read especially the paragraph where
   Microsoft warns Silicon Valley venture capitalists not to
   fund start-ups that may compete with Microsoft.

   In other words, not only will Microsoft not innovate, they
   don't want anyone else innovating either! If as a computer
   user, this doesn't get you mad check for a pulse!


Excerpts from a story that appeared in San Jose Mercury News
on Sunday, October 26, 1997.
=====================================

The ''urgent'' message, from a Microsoft Corp. vice president,
surprised Mitchell Kertzman, CEO of software maker Sybase Inc.
It was a few days after Sybase had launched a key product
called Jaguar CTS, and he wasn't expecting to hear from the
planet's most potent software company.

Six months later, the words Kertzman heard when he returned the
call still ring clearly in his memory. Microsoft, the official
said, thought the way Sybase was positioning Jaguar -- as a
competitor to Microsoft -- was ''a really bad idea.''

While the official says he never delivered a threat, a stunned
Kertzman clearly felt one and hurriedly relayed the episode to
colleagues in Emeryville. ''I think the godfather just called me
and told me to stop selling drugs on their street corner,'' he
said. A few weeks later, Microsoft responded to Jaguar. It
announced its competing product would be included in the
Windows NT operating system, delivering a blow to Sybase's
$700 stand-alone offering.

[ *** Note: Does the above strategy -- tying -- sound familiar
to anyone? Is there anyone out there that still thinks Microsoft
shouldn't be split up? ]


Steering innovators

There's nothing subtle about how Microsoft tries to channel
innovation.

Last Wednesday, in the second of what Microsoft hopes will be
annual confabs, several top Microsoft execs traveled to Sand
Hill Road in Menlo Park to meet with about 100 venture
capitalists. There, Microsoft outlined its technology plans and
prodded financiers to invest in start-ups that would dovetail
with Microsoft's strategies -- and reportedly suggested they
check with Redmond to steer clear of start-ups that might run
afoul of Microsoft's trajectory.

''Their thesis was give us a call and tell us what our companies
are doing,'' said Warren Packard, an associate with Draper
Fisher Jurvetson in Redwood City. ''It kind of got chuckles from
the audience, but to a certain extent it makes sense.''

Start-ups often don't know until they're well under way that
they'll end up on Microsoft's radar screen.

Fear of being in Microsoft's line of sight affects not only
start-ups but also companies going public. When BEA Systems Inc.
of Sunnyvale met with investors earlier this year before its
public offering, ''The most commonly asked question bar none was
'What are you going to do about Microsoft in this space?' '' said
Ed Scott, executive vice president of worldwide operations.

**

Last year Microsoft incorporated into its Windows NT operating
system for running computers on a network a so-called Web server,
which is software that enables a computer to host Web pages.

That struck at the heart of O'Reilly & Associates of Sebastopol.
''I think at bottom, they were dumping their Web server to drive
other people out of the market,'' said founder Tim O'Reilly, who
has managed to be one of the few remaining Web server suppliers.



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From: Juice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kill!
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:48:21 -0400

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:

>
>All you need to test is a new kernel. Compile yourself one.
>
>Peter


Thanks for all the help. And for confirming my suspicions that kill -9 pid not
working was pretty weird.

As luck would have it, I just picked up a copy of MaximumLinux. They have a
copy of mandrake 7.0 and stormix. Doh! I just ordered that! Ah well. Maybe my
problems will be gone.

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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to mount a second hard drive
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:48:53 -0700

In article
<8cjfuf$9qr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Deterrant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm new to Linux in general, and I'm running Openlinux 2.3
>with KDE. What I can't figure out is how to access my
>second hard drive - it's like it doesn't even exist.
>
>If anyone could e-mail me, and explain in very simple
>terms how to access or mount the hard drive, it'd be much
>appreciated.

<snip>

I have a two SCSI harddisk system. The original harddisk
had SCSI ID 0. Out of the box, the second drive that I
added myself had SCSI ID 15. I had to read the manual
(imagine that) to find out that RedHat 6.0/Kernel 2.2.5-15
required SCSI harddisks to have SCSI IDs 0 and 1, so my
problem was purely hardware.

Is your harddisk controller IDE or SCSI? If SCSI, maybe
your system has the same requirements.


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From: Acme World Domination Force <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:12:04 GMT

On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:42:37 -0400, "Scott Zielinski"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Said something like:

>Anyone know of a good news reader for Linux?

Not really a Linux newsreader, but I use Agent, it runs just fine
under WINE. 

(Hey, Agent was the one Wind--s program I missed after switching to
LInux...)


--
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http://home.earthlink.net/~tigersrule
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernard Debreil)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HP Deskjet 815 and 1120C with Linux ?
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:19:44 GMT

Would someone have some useful experience to share about having used
any of these two printers under Linux ?

The HP Deskjet 1120C is a printer capable of A3+ paper size. I am
especially interrested in its photo capabilities (PhotoREt II), even
if I must use it under Windows, as long as the printer remains capable
of a fairly good text and graphic printing under Linux, without my
having to go through the hassle of ink oversaturation and wasting as I
presently have to put up with my HP Deskjet 600.

As an alternate, I may buy the HP deskjet 815. So, any hint on this
would also be useful.

Thanks for any reply.

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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [Fwd: Why??]
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:33:32 -0500



======== Original Message ========
Subject: Why??
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:25:46 -0500
From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Apex Internet
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup

I know this has been mentioned many many times but I will post it again.
It has gotten way out of control again and it needs to stop. 

Do not post to all newsgroups to ask a question!! 

It really slows things down since there are newsgroups for specific
topics you need to choose the one that best fits your problem and wait
for an answer. These are not chatrooms!!  When you cross post, it is a
waste of bandwidth and server space as well as time for those who would
help but get tired of having to sort through all the cross posts to get
to others and just don't have the time or won't waste time to help. If
everyone would post to the newsgroup that best fits the problem the
people with knowledge of the type of problems you are having will be
more likely to help.

My 2 cents!

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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXT2 partition size limits?  Still exist?
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:35:23 -0500

I don't think so, I have a 4GB partition and it works fine.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pjtg0707)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: News Readers for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:38:48 GMT

On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:12:04 GMT, Acme World Domination Force 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:42:37 -0400, "Scott Zielinski"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Said something like:
>
>>Anyone know of a good news reader for Linux?
>
>Not really a Linux newsreader, but I use Agent, it runs just fine
>under WINE. 

I use slrn because it's a fast reader and reminds me of nn.

There is suppose to be a Agent-like reader for X called NewsFlex. However,
I hadn't been able to locate a copy of 0.86 xforms lib to be able to compile
it. Anyone tried it? Anyone know where I can download a copy of 0.86 xforms lib
?





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From: Cory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem works..well, sorta
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:58:43 GMT

Here's my problem.  I have a friend who is running the following:

Mandrake 6.0, kernel 2.2.9
Sound Blaster 16
AMD K6-433mHz processor
KDE & Gnome versions that came with distro

The problem is not that sound isn't working.  I can change the mixer 
settings, record and play just fine.  But, I can only play files if I 
send them directly to the sound card with "cat file.au > /dev/dsp". 
None of the sound programs like KMedia and EsounD seem to want to use 
it.  ESD isn't complaining, but when I use "esdplay", nothing comes out 
of the speakers.  KMedia complains that it can't connect to the sound 
server.  Timidity won't work either.  It appears to be playing, but 
nothing comes out of the speakers.  GTK+ doesn't play sounds either (I 
know, it works off of ESD).  I've set up isapnp correctly, and the 
kernel recognizes the card just fine.  Ideas, anyone?

Thanks,
Cory ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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From: Anthony Mandic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:55:35 +1000

David Steuber wrote:

> OK.  Why don't we grab our guns and attack Microsoft in a truly
> effective way?

        That's easy enough to do. Just tell God ^H^H^H Charlton Heston
        that Bill Gates is anti-gun and anti-NRL.

        But for the life of me, I can't understand why companies like
        Borland, Corel, Novell never filed a class action suit against
        MS. Hmmm ... maybe now might be a good time.

-am

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From: Cory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound works...well, sorta.
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:05:08 GMT

Here's my problem.=A0 I have a friend who is running the following:

Mandrake 6.0, kernel 2.2.9
Sound Blaster 16
AMD K6-450mHz processor
KDE & Gnome versions that came with distro

The problem is not that sound isn't working.=A0 I can change the mixer =

settings, record and play just fine.=A0 But, I can only play files if I =

send them directly to the sound card with "cat file.au > /dev/dsp".=A0 =

None of the sound programs like KMedia and EsounD seem to want to use =

it.=A0 ESD isn't complaining, but when I use "esdplay", nothing comes out=
 =

of the speakers.=A0 KMedia complains that it can't connect to the sound =

server.=A0 Timidity won't work either.=A0 It appears to be playing, but =

nothing comes out of the speakers.=A0 GTK+ doesn't play sounds either (I =

know, it works off of ESD).=A0 I've set up isapnp correctly, and the =

kernel recognizes the card just fine.=A0 Ideas, anyone?

Thanks,
Cory ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: problems unzipping a .gz file
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:32:07 GMT

I have downloaded a driver for a graphics tablet
from www.lepied.com/xfree86. It's in .gz format, but I can't get it
unzipped. I've tried to gunzip it under Linux and tried all kinds of
tools under Windows and DOS, but none of them seem to recognize the file
as a proper .gz file (I get 'unknown file format' or similar messages).
I have also downloaded the most recent version I could find of gzip
(1.2.4a), installed it, but this din't help either.

I don't have any problems unzipping the.gz files that were included with
the Linux distribution, only the downloaded files won't work. I
downloaded them with Netscape under Windows 98.

I hope someone can give me a clue on this. I'm beginning to get quite
desperate.


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From: Cory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape 6 won't start
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:51:46 GMT

You need to make a shell script to run it.  Netscape 6 requires you to 
be in the same directory as the netscape binary when you start it.  Just 
put a cd command in a script and run that.

Hope this helps.
Cory ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

==================
Shawn Kubik wrote:

> I downloaded the PR1 release of Netscape 6 the other day, and have
> played around with it a little bit. Everytime I started it, however, I
> did so from an X terminal and it worked fine. So I decided to put a link
> to it in KDE. It created the 'shortcut' fine, but when I click on it,
> nothing happens at all.
> 
> I untarred the netscape6 package in /usr/local/bin/Netscape6
> (subseqently, by untarring the package it created the subdirectory
> package, where everything for the program now lies). So in the terminal
> I would run netscape 6 by entering
> /usr/local/bin/Netscape/package/bin/netscape.
> 
> I'm just wondering whether anyone else has run into this problem with
> Netscape 6, or whether it's merely a limitation of the Preview Release.
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Shawn Kubik.
> 




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Len Philpot)
Subject: Re: Netscape 6
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:51:38 GMT

On 07 Apr 2000 06:17:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (termite) wrote:

>>It seemed extremely pokey for the first minute and then speeded right up.
>>Fonts seem to be better and more readable - no tiny letters on some of the
>>pages I had been going to.  Also a couple of pages that I had to load in
>>IE5 in Win98 (slap!) because Netscape 4.* couldn't handle them, now seem to
>>be loading.
>>
>>It's too early to say much else, but I do wish they'd have come up with a
>>more compact version for Linux.

I do hope it has a better interface than the Windows version. I
downloaded, installed and promptly removed it (despite the fact there's
no uninstaller). Ugly as homemade sin - Looks _like_ a web page, not a
browser. *Way* too much fluff. You can't pare it down to the essentials.

At least, that was the Windows version. Then again, 4.x on Windows looks
pretty much like it does on *nix.


 
 -------------------------------------------------------------
 - Len Philpot -> [EMAIL PROTECTED]           (personal)
 ---------------> [EMAIL PROTECTED]                 (work)
 ----- ><> -----> http://www.centuryinter.net/lphilpot/  (web)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: EXT2 partition size limits?  Still exist?
Date: 07 Apr 2000 21:55:01 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:41:05 -0500, Brent A. Busby 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I seem to remember a long time ago, there was a 2GB partition size
>limit for EXT2 filesystems.  Is this still true?
>Just what are the limits for the size of a single partition today?
>For 2.2.x kernals?  For 2.0.x kernals?

The limit is now at 2T or 2048G.  (granted, this large, you'll have a very
large block size, but few people need this much space atm.)
Unfortunately, on a 32-bit system, you're limited to a single file being
<= 2G.  People have been working on this...

-- 
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There is no Darkness in Eternity         \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see      \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cannot connect to leafnode server
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:01:25 GMT

George Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> I have installed Leafnode as a local NNTP server, with SuSE Linux.  When
> I try to access the server,
> wheather from PINE or telnet localhost 119, I get the error:

> Unable to connect to remoted host:  Connection refused.

> It appears that my own server refuses to connect me.

> I have gone through all the troubleshooting steps that came with
> Leafnode.  Everything is in working order.

So... You installed it.
Did you add leafnode to inetd.conf?
If so, did you restart inetd?

The message you got usually means that the server isn't running, so the
connection fails because there's nothing on the port to connect to.

Another possibility is that there's something wrong with your
/etc/leafnode/config file. If leafnode fails to parse it or can't find it, it
will fail to start.

Try typing 'leafnode' at the root prompt. It'll report an error if it can't
start for some reason.

> I have tried the commands both as user root and news with same result.

What commands? What messages did you get back?
(HINT. Always give as much info as possible with a problem, such as what you
did, and what happened... "Nothing" very rarely happens in Linux. There's
almost always some kind of error message or log report in /var/log/messages.

In the case of leafnode, other places to look would be
/var/log/news/news.err or /var/log/news/news.crit.
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do you remove staroffice icons?
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:14:22 -0600

I am using KDE 1.2 and recently removed staroffice 5.1
in favor of the the new 5.2 beta.  Doing so, the staroffice
icons are still on the kmenu, and kmenuedit doesn't offer
an option to edit that part of the menu.  What file is 
responsible for placing those icons on the menu?  

Installing staroffice 5.2 did not update them nor add new
icons.  Selecting those staroffice icons still tries to
start staroffice 5.1.

patrick

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