Linux-Misc Digest #487, Volume #24 Tue, 16 May 00 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
JOB OFFERING, Northern Virginia, USA (Ben Russo)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: xcdRoast making CDs which are not readable by Windows. (Robert Heller)
Re: all new files/folder create with Win98 clients are in upper case !! (Robert
Heller)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HELP:Interacting with Microsoft networks (Steve)
Re: 'Welcome' email for new users (Steve)
Re: The core file keeps hanging around... (Stefan Rystedt)
Re: The core file keeps hanging around... (nates)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Praedor Tempus)
Re: Java problems RH6 (John Clayton)
Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng (Praedor Tempus)
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:17:35 -0400
From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: JOB OFFERING, Northern Virginia, USA
THIS IS A JOB OFFERING
Forgive me if I have offended by posting a job offer
in this newsgroup.
My company's H.R. Dept. has tried
monster.com and head-hunters and the newspapers for
months. They keep sending me unqualified applicants.
I think we have a lot to offer:
No educational requirements.
Very Loose Dress Code
(you can wear T-Shirts/Jeans/Tennis Shoes)
Loose work hours.
Full Benefits, Full Time Salary
Very little meetings and beauracracy crap.
Lot's of fun technical toys to play with.
Modest pre-IPO stock plan
Travel to major cities 25% of the time
Northern Virginia USA
If you are interested and want to know more:
http://www.umva.com/~ben/
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:17:00 +0100
Dances With Crows wrote:
>
> "WYSIAWYG"[0] tools are easier to start off with.
I wasn't talking about new users, but experienced users, who know HTML,
but who simply see the advantages (at times) of a visual representation
of their coding, in addition to the purely textual. Like me, for
instance. :)
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xcdRoast making CDs which are not readable by Windows.
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:26:43 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows),
In a message on 16 May 2000 10:45:55 EDT, wrote :
DWC> On Tue, 16 May 2000 09:52:03 -0400, Frederick Artiss
DWC> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
DWC>
DWC> >You didn't understand the point. UNDER LINUX (xcdroast), you have a whole
DWC> >host of options about what filesystem to create on the CD. There are
DWC> >options to use "DOS" or "Windows with long filenames". I would think
DWC> >that "DOS" would create ISO9660 files 8.3 compliant which should be
DWC> >readable by any OS.
DWC>
DWC> Say WHAT?
DWC>
DWC> mkisofs, which is the program that does the actual work of creating the
DWC> CD's filesystem, creates an ISO 9660 filesystem by default. ISO 9660 CDs
DWC> always have all their filenames in 8+3 format. mkisofs has several
DWC> options to add Joliet extensions and/or Rock Ridge extensions to the ISO
DWC> 9660 filesystem. These extensions allow for long filenames (both),
DWC> symbolic links, UID/GIDs, and more than 8 levels of subdirectories (Rock
DWC> Ridge.) These extensions are supposed to be totally transparent if the
DWC> user mounts the CD using an OS or driver that doesn't understand Joliet or
DWC> Rock Ridge.
*I've* heard tales of MS-Windows NT 4 *crashing* when given a a CD with
Rock Ridge extensions. Supposedly, there is a bug in the ISO 9660
filesystem logic in MS-Windows NT 4 that barfs on Rock Ridge extensions
(rather than just ignoring them). *I've* not seen it happen myself
though... Might depend on the exact version (service packs) of NT 4
and possibly the driver(s) for the CD-ROM drive.
DWC>
DWC> At least, that's what i've found... the Apex DVD player reads CDs full of
DWC> MP3s, but it can't handle Rock Ridge or Joliet extensions, so all the
DWC> filenames show up as 8 chars only. This device is less intelligent than a
DWC> 386 with DOS 6.2, so I don't know what the problem could be with your
DWC> system.
DWC>
DWC> Another thing to keep in mind is that very old CD-ROM drives may not be
DWC> able to read CD-R media, and any CD-ROM made before 1998 has no chance of
DWC> reading CD-RW media. All CD-RW-capable CD-ROM drives are supposed to have
DWC> the "MultiRead" logo on them, but I've found a few without the logo that
DWC> can read CD-RWs just fine.
DWC>
DWC> --
DWC> Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
DWC> There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
DWC> But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
DWC> (Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
DWC>
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: all new files/folder create with Win98 clients are in upper case !!
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:26:44 GMT
"JCA Insernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Tue, 16 May 2000 16:51:51 +0200, wrote :
"I> I can do everything ... every time i create a new file in my samba share, it
"I> appear as a upper letters files ...
"I>
"I> what can i do ??
"I>
"I> samba 2.0.6 on Mandrake 7.0 ...
>From /etc/smb.conf:
; Options for handling file name case sensitivity and / or preservation
; Case Sensitivity breaks many WfW and Win95 apps
; case sensitive = yes
; short preserve case = yes
; preserve case = yes
Insert 'preserve case = yes' into the specification of your share(s).
Note the warning above.
You might want to check 'man samba', 'man smbd', and 'man smb.conf' for
more detailed information.
"I>
"I> JCA
"I>
"I>
"I>
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:16:10 GMT
Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with WYSIWYG web creation. I see no way to
> avoid the problems that people mention about the editors available
> except to use standards. [...]
This *appears* to be a response to my post, according to the thread list.
I'll repeat what I said in that post:
>>you can't count on *anyone* seeing the same thing you do.
And I stand by that statement. Even if we all had one platform, one
browser, one version, people will turn the knobs available to them (style
sheets, Java, JavaScript, graphics, in some cases frames, all can be
turned on or off). Even if we all coded and browsed using Amaya, we
couldn't count on our pages looking the same from one person to the next
-- computers have different color depths and people tend to resize their
browser windows!
A "WYSIWYM" (what you see is what you MEAN) approach is probably the
better way to go -- your editor can provide visual cues for various
markup, and you don't try to be finicky with the layout.
> The web IS visual. Whether you use lynx, netscape, kfm, or whatever,
> you ALWAYS view a graphic/visual image. Always. Nobody browses by
> looking only at page source. They looked at the formatted output of
> the html commands in the source.
The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language"). Trust me on
this one; I created my first web site before there was a Netscape. :-)
You can't categorically say "the web is visual," when there are blind
people reading web pages with a text-to-speech system. Sure, there are
visual components like graphics and fonts, but those should be considered
*optional*. All the graphical browsers let you turn these things off (a
godsend on slow connections). Lynx... (do you consider "visual" to
include plain text only?) simply punts graphics, although it can tell a
graphics display program to show them. The point is, most people wrongly
treat HTML like it was a layout language, and it simply isn't.
-- Larry
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: HELP:Interacting with Microsoft networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 May 2000 18:51:44 GMT
On Tue, 16 May 2000 17:28:13 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I'm a new and only user of linux, in a small Microsoft network domain.
>I want to "see" other computers in the network, most important is the
>server with
>the shared disk.
>
>I know that I have to use the smbclient application and I have to
>modify the smb.conf file,
>but I don't understand how.
>
>If someone can tell me how to do this, or refer me to a good and simple
>document I will be greatfull.
The document SMB-HOWTO can be found in the directory /usr/doc/HOWTO over
here on my RH6.0 distro. If you havn't got the HOWTOs you can get them
from:
http://www.linuxdoc.org
That document in particular seems to explain what it is that you'll
need to do.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
5:12pm up 19 days, 19:12, 5 users, load average: 1.01, 1.02, 1.04
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: 'Welcome' email for new users
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 May 2000 18:51:44 GMT
On Mon, 15 May 2000 22:52:11 GMT, sleddog wrote:
>How can I set things up so that a 'welcome' email message is sent to a
>new user when I create the account?
>
>RH 6.0 mail/news/file server, no X.
Like someone else said write a script.
This new user has to login at some point, have the login script
check if a particular file exists, and if not sends that user
the welcome email message. Or just write a script that you
remember to run every time you create a new user, or even have
a cron job compare the user list with another list of all the
ones who have been sent welcome messages, if the two lists
differ, then it sends out a welcome message to the new items
on the list. If I remember correctly when you set up a
new user they get a welcome message of sorts anyway, you
just need to edit that message to say what you want it to
say.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
5:12pm up 19 days, 19:12, 5 users, load average: 1.01, 1.02, 1.04
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From: Stefan Rystedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: The core file keeps hanging around...
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:21:09 +0200
User wrote:
> The process that crashed dumps its entire memory status (registers, stack, allocated
> structures in the heap etc.) so that someone who really knows that kind of stuff well
> can analyze it to find out the cause of the crash (Does anyone really do that ?!).
>Even
> to really talented people, a core file is just a meaningless disk-space hog that can
>be
> deleted.
Yepp people do use them since you can load them with a debuger an find exacly what
spot in
the source code the segmention fault hapend look at variable and such. Well that is if
you
have the source code and the executable is compiled whit debuging info in it. So you
are
right that most people do not have any use of the core file.
>
> Tux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi everyone...
> >
> > Could someone please tell me what the "core" file is, and where it comes
> > from....??? It always hangs it in the root or apache directory...
> > Does it have anything to do with the phrase "Dumping core now", and if
> > not, what does "Dumping the core" mean...???
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
--
/ryz
Be nice to the flying pink elephants
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From: nates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: The core file keeps hanging around...
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:24:15 +0000
Adrian wrote:
> Core dumping happens when a program seg faults and dies. The idea is
> that linux dumps the memory image of the program so the user can debug
> and fix the program later. For most users though, thats not something
> they want or can do.
> Adrian
User wrote:
>
> The process that crashed dumps its entire memory status (registers, stack, >allocated
> structures in the heap etc.) so that someone who really knows that kind of stuff
>>well
> can analyze it to find out the cause of the crash (Does anyone really do that ?!).
>>Even
> to really talented people, a core file is just a meaningless disk-space hog that
>>can be
> deleted.
the core file is an easy way to find out what happened.
suppose your program SEGVs or BUS ERRORS. say foo.x is your program.
then you can see what happened with
gdb foo.x core
this will print out a bunch of stuff ending with the line that caused
the crash. this can often be buried down in library routines. you can
trace the steps with 'up' & 'down' & print. use print to print out what
variables are. if you have a struct StrangeLocalTwist *SLTptr, then you
can look at what the members in the structure were with print *SLTptr.
a useful diagnostic. if you didnt write the program, then you need to alert
the author of the problem. you tell hhim or her that it dumped core on you
when, for example to continue as above, "the 2nd memeber of my SLTptr was
inadvertantly set to zero & then used as an address (getting the SEGV).
so, yeah some of us still do. but the CASE tools can point & click your
way around these days.
it's not a meaningless diskhog. it's just an annoying one. ;-)
- nate
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:59:35 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There is nothing wrong with WYSIWYG web creation. I see no way to
> > avoid the problems that people mention about the editors available
> > except to use standards. [...]
>
> This *appears* to be a response to my post, according to the thread list.
> I'll repeat what I said in that post:
>
> >>you can't count on *anyone* seeing the same thing you do.
Are we getting philosophical? I can look in on every single lab in this
building, people using Netscape, IE, KFM, etc, and I never see anything
that I don't recognize as being essentially the same as I see on any
other browser I have EVER used. I have used and do use (on occasion)
lynx. Even then, it is still formatted properly, but without the
graphics or frames...so what. The generally WYSIWYG - based html
code out there still renders usefully on lynx regardless...UNLESS M$ or
Netscape-only extensions are used. IF one sticks to real html
standards,
then you can design a web page using a WYSIWYG (that is itself based
only
on standards) and it does NO harm to the lynx user. They STILL can
read the content of the page and still see it formatted in a readable
style. What's the beef? I am not talking about using an M$ tool or
a Netscape tool, I am talking about a fully compliant tool (hmmm, like
Amaya, by its very definition).
> And I stand by that statement. Even if we all had one platform, one
> browser, one version, people will turn the knobs available to them (style
> sheets, Java, JavaScript, graphics, in some cases frames, all can be
> turned on or off). Even if we all coded and browsed using Amaya, we
> couldn't count on our pages looking the same from one person to the next
> -- computers have different color depths and people tend to resize their
> browser windows!
None of these settings changes has ever dicked up a page for me such
that
I couldn't read it clearly or see the same formatting as before I
altered
a setting. With frames, without, I still read the page that is
formatted
into paragraphs, titles, subtitles. No problem on my end. What browser
are you using that gives you such fits...or is it certain pages that
include non-standard html?
> A "WYSIWYM" (what you see is what you MEAN) approach is probably the
> better way to go -- your editor can provide visual cues for various
> markup, and you don't try to be finicky with the layout.
>
> > The web IS visual. Whether you use lynx, netscape, kfm, or whatever,
> > you ALWAYS view a graphic/visual image. Always. Nobody browses by
> > looking only at page source. They looked at the formatted output of
> > the html commands in the source.
>
> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language"). Trust me on
> this one; I created my first web site before there was a Netscape. :-)
> You can't categorically say "the web is visual," when there are blind
> people reading web pages with a text-to-speech system. Sure, there are
> visual components like graphics and fonts, but those should be considered
> *optional*. All the graphical browsers let you turn these things off (a
> godsend on slow connections). Lynx... (do you consider "visual" to
Yes I do consider lynx as visual. Lynx is NOT simply text only, as if
all
that appears is plain, unformatted text. All the text in lynx is
formatted,
centered, colored, etc, as per the html. No matter how you cut it, your
html
will produce a visual output. Lynx doesn't have problems ignoring
niceties
like graphics, so html setup for graphical browsers doesn't hurt it at
all
- it still formats it in the way that the page generally intended.
If a page is not visually formatted well (into paragraphs, sections,
etc), it
is unreadable. It doesn't matter what browser you use. Text is
VISUALLY
presented to you...the TINY exception is the blind user who has to use a
SPECIAL app to convert text to speech. As long as the app ignores most
of the html itself, big deal. All it needs is to recognize a comma,
period,
semicolon, etc. The rest is irrelevant. You don't even need html for
that.
I KNOW what html looks like and does...it basically formats text/images
for
-viewing- one way or another (yeah, yeah, an oversimplification).
Addons for
the blind are just that, addons which simply needs a text-to-audio app
to
read everything between html markup, regardless. HTML is essentially
meaningless to the blind. What the hell do they care how a page's
images
and text are visually formatted?
Amaya is made and used by the standards body. Hence it uses standards.
As to worrying about someone's screen not showing what another's does,
I have NEVER run into this at all except when M$ or Netscape-only
extensions
are there. Beyond that, they essentially all place bold headers,
center-justified (or not) as the designer wanted. Color depth is
largely
irrelevant. Shall websites default to the lowest common denominator
(lets
say ASCII graphics) because SOMEONE might not be able to view a 24-bit
jpeg?
You cannot and should not worry about that.
Perhaps there are those here who would prefer to dispense with ALL html
crap and go STRICTLY ASCII (or unicode) text. Period. Ain't going to
happen. MOST people, by far the incredibly vast majority, to the point
of being able to nearly ignore those that don't, use graphical browsers
that all generally handle standard HTML the same. Bold text is
displayed
boldly. Italics displays as italics. A header, centered, appears as
a header, centered.
Just what does WYSIWYM mean anyway? That you only mean to present plain
text, damn the graphics and formatting? I think not. You use html to
center bold text, italicize text, change overall text formatting on the
page, stick useful graphics in the page...for visual purposes to enhance
readability or understandability.
You ONLY run into problems if the browser doesn't comply with the
standard.
W3C IS the end-all be-all of the standard, and the tools they use are
strictly
based on the standards. Hence, you cannot go wrong using a standard
supporting
editor to graphically produce standards-based HTML pages that visually
present
exactly what the html is saying it should.
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From: John Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Java problems RH6
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:57:34 +0000
In article <0fJT4.185$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JC Vollmer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello. I've never installed Java on Linux before and I'm having a devil
> of a time figuring out how to make it work.
>
> What I'd like is to be able to run applets through Netscape. I've
> installed kaffe1.0b4 and tried fiddling with CLASSPATH, but my browser
> still blows up.
>
> I've looked at the HOWTOs, but they all seem tailored to those who know
> what they're doing. Can someone point me to a straightforward install
> HOWTO, or just tell me what to do?
>
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe
>
I know you may have already tried this, but go to the Blackdown site, they
hold the latest 1.2 version of the JDK on their FTP servers.
Failing that, go to www.ibm-alphaworks.com and find the 1.3 version! It's an RPM
which means you (as root) can simply do this:
rpm -Uvh packagename.rpm
If you want to find out where it installed things, do this:
rpm -qpil packagename.rpm
It'll give you a list of files, then seek and destroy!! :-)
Johno
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:06:52 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:43:05 GMT, Harold Bower
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Patrick, have you executed the test program in the LPRng directory with
> >arguments to fix the owner and group permissions? I forget the exact
> >name and arguments,
>
> checkpc is the name of this program I believe. It is part of LPRng.
Thank you, I did run it and it fixed permissions (I suppose) but it did
not fix the printing problem.
Now, instead of the LINK fail message, I get no message when I try to
print. If I run "lpr <filename>" and then immediately run lpq, I
get:
Printer: lp@dummy227-134
Queue: no printable jobs in queue
Status: job 'root@dummy227-134+961' removed at 12:25:47.085
I've moved on to a new problem...or perhaps it is the problem that
lpr had but simply didn't produce any messages of any kind.
Any suggestions?
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