Linux-Misc Digest #527, Volume #24 Fri, 19 May 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Best Intranet Server + platform (Benjamin)
Re: hosts.deny fills up redundantly (David Turley)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: [Help] Removing remote printer jobs ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ? (Andre Kostur)
Re: Can't see MAN command output ("Micah Cowan")
Re: /opt verus /usr/local ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: /opt verus /usr/local ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: /opt verus /usr/local ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: /opt verus /usr/local ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: /opt verus /usr/local ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Best Intranet Server + platform (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: printer filters - NEWBIE HELP PLEASE ("Micah Cowan")
Re: sendmail question (Steve)
Creating a boot disk (sumengen)
Re: Run Linux on your Laptop... ("Mr. L. D. Bruce")
less core puts BASH in command mode?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ? (Fox)
Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ? (Grant Edwards)
Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ? (Fox)
Re: sendmail question ("Chuck Swiger")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (brian moore)
Re: Need to find my IP address (Nix)
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From: Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Best Intranet Server + platform
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:17:10 GMT
Hi !
We are setting an Intranet coast to coast (Canada), I would like to know
what could be the best UNIX platform to work with and which webserver
will the best ???
We want 1 main server, with 5 mirrors sites in major cities. They will
be connected with Frame Relay at 128 Kbps.
Their will be about 1600 users for that intranet, and we want a server
that will hold Perl, Java (Servlet) and 20 users downloading the mp3
files (about 500 KB) at the same times.
Thanks ...
BenJ
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From: David Turley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: hosts.deny fills up redundantly
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:19:57 -0400
On Fri, 19 May 2000 08:55:53 -0600, Praedor Tempus apparently wrote:
> Well, that's nice and clean but it wont prevent my hosts.deny from
> filling
> up automatically. This would simply change the hosts.deny cleanup
> script
Well, turn that feature off in portsentry and it won't fill up.
--
David Turley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 19:22:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8g31si$6ri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>/opt is for independent packages. But there is a new fsstd coming up.
: Oh good - we didn't have quite enough standard layouts already...
: Are they finally going to abstract it out to a centralized
: local configuration setting that controls where things land
:>There is one.
: More like 20 - and they still don't correctly address issues of
There is actually one standard. There are twenty interpretations of it.
: having local copies AND (perhaps multiple) network-mounted directories
: of the same thing, or things where the config files should be
: network-shared but not the binaries or vice-versa.
I think debian is getting it righter. At least dpkg is not blowing
up completely when it discovers it can't write to an NFS directory
(which already contains the files it wants to put there). What else
did they think /usr/share was for?
And yes, I agree. Redhat is just not set up for use in a classic shared
networked environment. It's not the target market. You might as well
start out with slackware. Same difference.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: [Help] Removing remote printer jobs
Date: 19 May 2000 19:25:34 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I think this is not a RH problem, but a problem with any Unix remote
: printing. Once the job gets queued on the server, only cancellation on
: that server will work. (At least that's my (not-to-recent) experience
Well, that's not quite so. Yes, on the machine on which you are running
lpq, you get one chance to lprm your job before it flies over to
wherever it's going next.
The rest follows ...
Peter
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Subject: Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andre Kostur)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:52:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (sleddog) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Fri, 19 May 2000 05:37:52 +0800, Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi All:
>>as the subject
>
>This is largely an NT question... not sure about NT server, but to dial
>into an NT workstation the machine administrator must grant the user
>dialin permission (via User manager).
>
Lookup in the PPP-HOWTO document (if you've installed it, it's in
/usr/doc/HOWTO, if not, go search the web :) )
You will need to get the PPP source code and recompile. MS uses a
different version of CHAP than the rest of the world, so you need to
recompile PPP to know about MS's version of CHAP. Look in the file
README.MSCHAP80 in the PPP distribution for more details.
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From: "Micah Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Can't see MAN command output
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:58:04 -0700
> When I do a "man <something>" command, I get just a blank screen with a
> highlighted "END" at the bottom. Apart from this, terminal mode seems
> to work OK.
Sounds like a misconfiguration - don't ask me where (sorry for the lack of
help)
Normally, man pipes the data through less. If less is given empty input,
then it would do exactly as you
have just described. Apparently, man isn't piping its data through less
correctly.
Maybe a little background would help - was there a point in time when it was
working,
have you recompiled man since then, where did you get the man package (i.e.,
was it
automatically installed with your distro, as most are?)
Micah
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /opt verus /usr/local
Date: 19 May 2000 19:48:03 GMT
Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Program Files directory, which would make it a mystery why
: relatively basic stuff like KDE or Gnome would be put
: there. However, I can't figure out why /opt/bin is needed
It isn't really. Yes I too put ...
: as opposed to symlinks in /usr/local/bin.
: I think the following case could be made for the presence
: of both /usr/local and /opt. Commercial applications change
You don't need a case. It's easy: /usr: the distro: /usr/local: you
/opt: A Third Party.
: We could take this further. Why is there a /usr/games
: directory? Shouldn't everything be under /usr/local/games?
No. Rogue/Hack are "official". No distro is complete without them.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /opt verus /usr/local
Date: 19 May 2000 19:49:40 GMT
Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:>Another thing to consider is the size of the package.
:>Things that're huge, like KDE, Gnome, WP, etc also tend to
:>go into /opt.
: Depends on distribution. Red Hat puts KDE and Gnome in /usr
: rather than either /opt or /usr/local.
And I believe that was another complaint of mine ... yet again RH
trying to aim for a decompartmentalized FS so that they don't have to
count bytes-per-partition, which their installers Cannot Handle.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /opt verus /usr/local
Date: 19 May 2000 19:52:11 GMT
Frank Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: There are several other programs that allow you to do the same thing.
Such as cd /usr/local/bin; ln -s ../../../opt/foo/bin/* . perhaps?
: http://www.arlut.utexas.edu/csd/opt_depot
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /opt verus /usr/local
Date: 19 May 2000 19:50:45 GMT
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Harlan Grove wrote:
:> Red Hat puts KDE and Gnome in /usr
:> rather than either /opt or /usr/local.
: If it's packaged by the distributor of the whole system, it should go in
: /usr or somewhere similar. /opt and /usr/local are for things that come
: from other sources.
As indeed do KDE and Gnome and Staroffice and Netscape to varying degress
... the only question is why there isn't an /opt/X11R6 :-)
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /opt verus /usr/local
Date: 19 May 2000 19:45:06 GMT
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Ugh. No thanks. It is confusing and pointless to have redundant
: directories. /opt and /usr/local fall into the redundant catagory.
No they don't. /usr/local is for your additions. /opt is for (large)
third party additions.
: I don't care if it goes to /opt or /usr/local but it would be real nice
: if a generic standard were decided for linux (all distros). All things
There is one. Try reading it. FSSTND.
: Basically, they are redundant and confusing. I tend to not permit /opt
: to exist on my systems. I relocate everything that wants to go there
I like /opt. Good idea. Now if they would just start up a
/usr/dist as well as /usr/local.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 14:50:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >/opt is for independent packages. But there is a new fsstd coming up.
>>
>> Oh good - we didn't have quite enough standard layouts already...
>
>No, we don't have enough detail and vendors that are anal about
>following the rules.
Forcing vendors to make difficult choices about whether to screw
their existing customers with a change or the new ones if they
don't is not what standards should be about.
>> More like 20 - and they still don't correctly address issues of
>> having local copies AND (perhaps multiple) network-mounted directories
>> of the same thing, or things where the config files should be
>> network-shared but not the binaries or vice-versa.
>
>Why would you local -and- shared copies of the same thing?
The shared copy may not be available all the time, may not
be mounted in the expected place, may be spread over several
remote machines, may be mounted read-only when you want to
install something new. And so on - life isn't simple.
>You may want to look at /usr/share, which is precisely for things that
>can be shared across platforms. (Man pages, docs, pixmaps,
>soundfiles, dictionaries, all sorts of things should be living in
>/usr/share -- I've got a couple hundred meg worth of stuff there)
How resiliant is this when you have different versions of different
systems sharing it?
>See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
Odd that it is a compressed pdf. Does anyone have netscape and
acrobat configured to read such a combination directly? Maybe
I'll just wait for the next revision.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 14:54:20 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think what we really need is some number of well-maintained
>> 'master' system images (somewhere between 10 and 100 would
>> suffice, but the number doesn't matter) and some tools
>> to sync up your system to the master without breaking things
>> due to hardware differences.
>That sounds like Debian.
>
>Debian makes the sysadmin's job trivial.
How many different configurations can you get just by making
one choice (KDE workstation, server, router, web-proxy, etc.)?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Re: Best Intranet Server + platform
Date: 19 May 2000 15:03:39 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>We are setting an Intranet coast to coast (Canada), I would like to know
>what could be the best UNIX platform to work with and which webserver
>will the best ???
Since you posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy, the answer is obviously
Linux. Get the cute little 1U or 2U rackmount boxes from VALinux.
It will come with Apache, but you will probably have to rebuild
it to add mod_jserve and copy in a JVM yourself.
>We want 1 main server, with 5 mirrors sites in major cities. They will
>be connected with Frame Relay at 128 Kbps.
Set up a cron job with rsync to keep the remotes up to date.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Micah Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: printer filters - NEWBIE HELP PLEASE
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:09:46 -0700
> can somebody tell me where,
> on a RH6.1 system,
> are the printer filters? I know I can choose them with printtool,
> but I'd like to browse their directory
/usr/lib/rhs/rhs-printfilters on my system (also RH6.1)
Micah
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: sendmail question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 19 May 2000 21:14:03 GMT
On Fri, 19 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:
>How do I "safely quit out of the sendmail prompt (>) after running
>sendmail -bt?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kirk
I went into another xterm and as root did kill -9 10759 (the pid of
that invocation of sendmail).
-9 tells it to save it's stuff first before exiting.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
5:40pm up 2 days, 1:45, 4 users, load average: 1.01, 1.02, 1.00
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Subject: Creating a boot disk
From: sumengen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:12:56 -0700
Hello,
I installed mandrake 7.0 on a harddisk with win98. I didn't want
to use LILO
from HD so I created a boot-disk with LILO on it. If I want to
reboot to
linux, I start the computer with the bootdisk. Otherwise the
computer starts
up with win98.
My question is:
- I am worried about what happens if the bootdisk dies. I tried
to copy it
to another disk or to the hard drive, but I wasn't able to.
Linux couldn't
read it (Neither could windows).
How can I create a second boot-disk with same configuration?
In general, is it possible to recover if all the bootdisks die?
Thanks,
Baris.
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From: "Mr. L. D. Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,aus.computers.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your Laptop...
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:15:26 GMT
I smell spam especially with all the !!!! (exclaimation marks)....tsk
tsk
homme=home
raman_narayan wrote:
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>
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>
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>
> If this sounds interesting, send email to : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with Subject: Linux on Laptop
>
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>
> ********************************************************
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: less core puts BASH in command mode??
Date: 19 May 2000 15:16:40 -0400
I'm used to looking at files in dos, .EXE whatever, just to get an idea of
what they are before I run them. So when I try the same thing in linux I find
that oftentimes bash is put into a command mode:
(I have other reasons for doing this too, so please don't tell me I'm stupid
for trying...)
cat bmp.bmp (as you might guess a windows .bmp file) lots of junk then
sttuvvwwxyyzz{{|}^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;2c^[[?1;
2c[john@lucy john]$ 1;2c1
bash: 2c1: command not found
cat core turns all the characters into ascii drawing characters (smiley faces,
lines), exiting rxvt and restarting anew fixes it.
and so on... I'm using fvwm2 and rxvt or xterms. less gives similiar results
and more just goes into more help land. But, like I said this is an issue with
bash since it also does it in console mode.
Q1: Can I make bash insensitive to files viewed using cat/less or do I have to
use a hex editor (ghex) to do what I want?
Q2: Isn't this a little scary? would it be possible to execute $rm by merely
'cat'ing a file? virus-like?
Just wondering
-John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fox)
Subject: Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:24:37 GMT
On Fri, 19 May 2000 01:41:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sleddog)
wrote:
>On Fri, 19 May 2000 05:37:52 +0800, Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi All:
>>as the subject
>
>This is largely an NT question... not sure about NT server, but to dial
>into an NT workstation the machine administrator must grant the user
>dialin permission (via User manager).
the'v granted me to access their network,when i use minicom to
dial,after hand shake,the server send "{......." that string just like
dialup to a linux box after authorization. I'v tried to use pppsetup's
methods about Nt,but it doesn't work.Any other way to set it up?
the administrator told me that they only setup as default of NT(SP3)
RAS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:29:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fox wrote:
>On Fri, 19 May 2000 01:41:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sleddog) wrote:
>>This is largely an NT question... not sure about NT server, but
>>to dial into an NT workstation the machine administrator must
>>grant the user dialin permission (via User manager).
>the'v granted me to access their network,when i use minicom to
>dial,after hand shake,the server send "{......." that string
>just like dialup to a linux box after authorization. I'v tried
>to use pppsetup's methods about Nt,but it doesn't work.Any
>other way to set it up? the administrator told me that they
>only setup as default of NT(SP3) RAS.
If you're using pppd to dial in, all you have to do is add your
username and password in the chap secrets file and set up a
chat script to dial and wait for CONNECT. If you do a man
pppd, it should give you some pointers.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Were these parsnips
at CORRECTLY MARINATED in
visi.com TACO SAUCE?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fox)
Subject: Re: How to connect to a windows NT server by ppp ?
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:35:25 GMT
On Fri, 19 May 2000 20:29:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
wrote:
>>the'v granted me to access their network,when i use minicom to
>>dial,after hand shake,the server send "{......." that string
>>just like dialup to a linux box after authorization. I'v tried
>>to use pppsetup's methods about Nt,but it doesn't work.Any
>>other way to set it up? the administrator told me that they
>>only setup as default of NT(SP3) RAS.
>
>If you're using pppd to dial in, all you have to do is add your
>username and password in the chap secrets file and set up a
>chat script to dial and wait for CONNECT. If you do a man
>pppd, it should give you some pointers.
I'll try it when i back tomy office at Mon. THX
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From: "Chuck Swiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sendmail question
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.mail.sendmail
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:36:12 GMT
In comp.mail.sendmail Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:
>>How do I "safely quit out of the sendmail prompt (>) after running
>>sendmail -bt?
>
> I went into another xterm and as root did kill -9 10759 (the pid of
> that invocation of sendmail).
>
> -9 tells it to save it's stuff first before exiting.
No. From 'man kill':
kill sends the specified signal to the specified process.
If no signal is specified, the TERM signal is sent. The
TERM signal will kill processes which do not catch this
signal. For other processes, if may be necessary to use
the KILL (9) signal, since this signal cannot be caught.
kill -9 explicitly prevents the process from shutting down cleanly.
-Chuck
Chuck 'Sisyphus' Swiger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Bad cop! No Donut.
------------------------+-------------------+--------------------
I know that you are an optimist if you think I am a pessimist....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 19 May 2000 20:39:30 GMT
On 19 May 2000 14:54:20 -0500,
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> I think what we really need is some number of well-maintained
> >> 'master' system images (somewhere between 10 and 100 would
> >> suffice, but the number doesn't matter) and some tools
> >> to sync up your system to the master without breaking things
> >> due to hardware differences.
>
> >That sounds like Debian.
> >
> >Debian makes the sysadmin's job trivial.
>
> How many different configurations can you get just by making
> one choice (KDE workstation, server, router, web-proxy, etc.)?
task-c++-dev - Development in C++
task-c-dev - Development in C
task-chinese-s - Simplified Chinese environment
task-chinese-t - Traditional Chinese environment
task-database-pg - PostgreSQL database
task-debian-devel - Debian package development
task-debug - Debugging of C, C++, Objective C and friends
task-devel-common - Development in various languages
task-dialup - Dialup utilities
task-dialup-isdn - Dialup utilities (ISDN)
task-dns-server - DNS Server
task-fortran - Fortran development environment
task-games - A selection of games
task-german - German-speaking environment
task-gnome-apps - GNOME applications and utilities
task-gnome-desktop - GNOME basic desktop
task-gnome-games - GNOME games
task-gnome-net - GNOME network applications
task-imap - IMAP Server
task-japanese - Japanese-speaking environment
task-laptop - A selection of tools for laptop users
task-newbie-help - New user documentation
task-news-server - USENET News Server
task-objc-dev - Development in Objective C
task-parallel-computing-dev - Packages for development of parallel computing
applications
task-parallel-computing-node - Libraries for parallel computing applications
task-polish - Polish-speaking environment
task-python - Python script development environment
task-python-bundle - Full distribution of Python
task-python-dev - Full Python development environment
task-python-web - Python web application development environment
task-samba - Samba SMB server
task-science - Basic tools for scientific work
task-sgml - SGML and XML authoring and editing
task-sgml-dev - SGML and XML development environment
task-spanish - Spanish environment
task-tcltk - Running Tcl/Tk applications
task-tcltk-dev - Developing Tcl/Tk applications
task-tex - TeX/LaTeX environment
task-x-window-system - X Window System (complete)
task-x-window-system-core - X Window System (core components)
You are free to add your own, of course. The above are merely virtual
packages that include others. For example, task-dns-server:
| Package: task-dns-server
| Version: 1:8.2.2p5-11
| Priority: optional
| Section: net
| Maintainer: Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Depends: bind, bind-doc, dnsutils, dlint
| Architecture: all
| Filename:
| dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/net/task-dns-server_8.2.2p5-11.deb
| Size: 11030
| MD5sum: 9a8cd6803f0aefe64bdb3197caa21980
| Description: DNS Server
| Installs the BIND DNS server, and related documentation and utility packages.
| source: bind
| installed-size: 48
Ie, it grabs BIND, the docs for it, dnsutils (things like host, dig and
nslookup) and dlint to check for proper zone file configuration.
Obviously you can combine the above as you see fit. (Ie, you may want
to run an SMB server on your name server, and you'd almost certainly
want to have debugging if you have development [unless you're compiling
and have no intention of fixing bugs in programs].)
As for your list specifically: KDE is not in Debian as it is not
compatible with the GPL. What do you mean by 'server'? Web? Mail?
Usenet? DNS? SMB? 'server' is mighty generic. A 'router' would
need very little except perhaps zebra -- install the base system and
you're done. A web-proxy would need very little except for squid --
"apt-get install squid" seems much more effective than making a 'task'
for a single package.
On the reverse side, there is no "task-web-server" for the simple reason
that -you- get to choose which web server you want. Do you want Apache?
Or Roxen? Or CERN perhaps? Or Apache-ssl? How about modules? Do you
want mod_perl or is it not worth the overhead because your pages are all
static?
Some things are best left to humans to decide or there would be no
choice at all, which is counter to the freedom granted by the FSF,
Linus, the Apache Group and all the others contributing to the library.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need to find my IP address
Date: 19 May 2000 20:46:23 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> btw, does anyone use 'info' any more?
Yes.
--
`Q: Why did they deprecate a.out support in linux?
A: Because a nasty coff is bad for your elf.' --- James Simmons
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