Linux-Misc Digest #618, Volume #24 Sat, 27 May 00 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: sprintf bug? (sandrews)
Re: Please Help a Linux newbie... ("Philo")
Re: Linux and onboard sound card... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Leslie Mikesell)
What web server? (James)
Problems with connecting with ISP (Vadim)
Sound problems in KDE (Vadim)
Re: ssl certificate server (Frank Mayhar)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
Re: What web server? (Jordan Dimitrov)
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Re: What web server? (John Molitor)
Re: democracy? ("Peter T. Breuer")
varying pc speaker sound in linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: hardlink-problem ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: What web server? (James)
Re: fork in shell-scripts ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Sound problems in KDE (Dances With Crows)
Re: What web server? (Jordan Dimitrov)
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:11:00 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: sprintf bug?
Harlan Grove wrote:
>
> In article <8gmhrd$jqj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> U.V. Ravindra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm using SuSE 6.3 (Kernel 2.2.13 glibc 2.1.2) on an Alpha EV67.
> > Here's what I'm trying to do
> >
> > char buffr[4096+1]
> >
> > ...
> > ...
> > printf("before %s\n", buffr);
> > sprintf(buffr, "0, 0, 0, ");
> > printf("after %s\n", buffr);
> >
> > And I see the output:
> >
> > before dwki_nr_ibind(100, fname_var, 0,
> > after 0, 0, 0,i
>
> <snip>
>
> Looks like a bug, but one not shared by i386 Red Hat 6.0 at least.
>
This is NOT a bug, buffr contains junk @ the first printf statement.
--
"You can open self extracting archives using PKZIP25.EXE
or unrar" - censored by Microsoft."
"You can unzip a self extracting .EXE with WinZip" -BANNED BY MICROSOFT"
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From: "Philo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please Help a Linux newbie...
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:17:17 -0500
Dont worry at all about installing LILO on your mbr.
It works very well and is quite sufficient and easy to use.
Plus you can easily restore your mbr with a dos boot floppy (containing
fdisk just by doing a fdisk/mbr...i have honestly had fewer problmes by
putting LILO on the mbr than any other way
Philo
Michael Brailsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8gn6e2$e3v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My filesystem is currently FAT32. Can I install RH Linux 6.2? If I do
will
> it cause any problems with the existing FAT32 files? Also what is the
best
> way to set up a dual boot with Win98? I have heard of Lilo and a few
> methods that involving changing the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files.
> Which approach is best? Which is easiest?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux and onboard sound card...
Date: 27 May 2000 10:31:02 -0700
Mig-O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Has anyone here been successful configuring Linux (SUSE 6.3) for the
> > onboard sound card of the ASUS K7M motherboard?
> > The ASUS manual does not say what kind of sound chipset is used,
> > but says that it's AC'97 V2.1 CODEC compliant.
>
> Consult Homepages of ASUS and AMD, and look, which soundchips are build
> into the AMD 75(0|1) Chipset, u use.
>
> Daniel Migowski
I was on the verge of buying one of these motherboards myself.
Then I saw that they don't have any ISA slots so none of my existing
sound cards would work. I looked at Asus site and they seem to use an
AD1881. I did a search on google for that and linux and came up with
a couple of interesting URLs that point to a mailing list. One, from
last fall, says the chip isn't supported. The other provides a
patch. If it works, let me know (at [EMAIL PROTECTED], pay no attention
to any addresses in this posting. I haven't figured out how to
configure gnus to provide something useful yet.) The URLs are:
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9910.2/0516.html
and
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2000-07/0364.html
-Carl
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 27 May 2000 12:34:11 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>A lot depends on whether the overhead of the system justifies its use.
>>>Not all systems are worth the effort in all cases, and I know some folks
>>>who are quite unhappy about the overhead involved in some of the more
>>>complex commercial change-control systems (as an example).
>>
>>If you are not happy with the source control system you are using, get
>>a better one. The answer is NOT not to use one.
>
>All I'm saying is that it depends on the context.
>
>As an example, I don't use any formal source control at all for the
>several utilities that I maintain at my workplace other than a text
>file in which I keep a TODO list. It simply isn't needed for 20000
>lines of code that I alone maintain.
Yes, someone working alone on in-house code is only going to be testing
one new change at a time and all you need is a backup of the last good
copy to back it out. Add a couple more developers and you'll start
stepping on each others toes pretty quickly - especially if you
ever revert back to an older copy and completely discard someone
else's work. Also, if you ever distribute versions that you have
to support instead of always forcing an upgrade to the current
version to fix any problem you need a way to reconstruct every
version you still support and add a fix, possibly without changing
the current version.
>Not something that large, no, at least without strict segmentation of
>programmer responsibility (which is itself a form of source control,
>at least arguably).
The other thing you get from source control systems is a history
of changes, whether the programmer bothers to comment them or not.
Even where a single programmer is doing everything you have to
consider that eventually someone else will take over the job and
have to figure things out. Often by seeing a history of changes
that have been tried and replaced, you can avoid repeating a mistake.
Cvs is free, fairly painless, works cross-platform and gives you
a nice consolidated area to back up even if your working/testing
space is distributed. I'd recommend it for your 20000 lines of code
even if the kernel never goes that route.
>I am not more than passingly familiar with the kernel lists.
>
>I was just commenting on the fact that you apparently are not either,
>and yet you seem perfectly willing to criticize processes that appear
>at least based on the end results) to be working quite well.
It is hard to beat direct communication for quick turnaround on
problems, but there is no reason to think that a formal bug
tracking process would have to eliminate that. In commercial
systems it often does that intentionally to shield the developers
from time consuming interaction with end users, but that
effect is not necessary.
>Their development processes can probably be improved, but whining about
>it here in this unrelated newsgroup is NOT (IMO) a constructive way to
>do it! I suggest you join the kernel mailing lists and read a while.
The real problem from an admin/user perspective is that the system
is more than the kernel. A typical system might have a thousand
programs that run every day. The kernel's function is mostly
to interact properly with the user level programs, and it is the
interaction that has to work from the user's side. It is nice
to know when a real bug exists so that you can go directly to
the workaround instead of fighting with it, and even better to
know when the bug is fixed so you can stop doing the workaround,
but from a functional level it doesn't matter whether the bug is
in the kernel or the apps.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:54:56 +0800
From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: What web server?
Hi all,
Did anyone know what kind of web server the following web site are
using.
1. Hotmail
2. Yahoo
3. Amazon
Why I am asking this question, because I feel so disappointed about MS
IIS 4.0 server. The server requires to reboot sometimes. This is
acceptable for some leisure users. For those high loading sites such as
the above listed, high availability is so vital.
If you know more about the whole architecture, please tell me more. For
example, 1. what is the web server
2. are they using ASP, PHP or JSP
3. are they using COM/DCOM or EJB
4. what about the middle tier, says MS Transaction Server, Websphere
or ...
5. what is the back end database they use.
6. how they handle the load sharing, because they need to handle tons
of requests all the times.
Thanks,
JC
(If I cross-post this message or put it in incorrect NG, then sorry)
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From: Vadim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with connecting with ISP
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:05:26 GMT
I have SuSE linux 6.0 (kernel 2.2.9). My modem works, I have tried it
with minicom. It dials, the ISP displays its login, and accepts my
password. When I try to use kppp to dial, it says "Sorry, the modem is
not ready". However, the Query Modem button works. What's the problem?
--
Vadim
www.geocities.com/wadimt (creatures site, not finished yet)
ICQ 71242087
"Wisdom begins in wonder" (Socrates)
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From: Vadim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound problems in KDE
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:05:27 GMT
I have SuSE linux 6.0, kernel 2.2.9 and an SBLive Value. The modules are
installed and the sound works. Sending sounds to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio
also works. But when I try to assign sounds to events in KDE, I don't
hear anything. Why?
Thanks in advance
--
Vadim
www.geocities.com/wadimt (creatures site, not finished yet)
ICQ 71242087
"Wisdom begins in wonder" (Socrates)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Mayhar)
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.misc,comp.infosystems.www.servers.misc,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.networking,de.comm.infosystems.www.servers,de.comp.os.unix.bsd,redhat.servers.general
Subject: Re: ssl certificate server
Date: 27 May 2000 11:00:50 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8ghr75$86m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you mean web server certificates that standard web browsers can read,
>you have to get the certs signed by a CA that the browsers recognize.
>Yon can do this (for example) through Verisign OnSite. See www.verisign.com
>for more info. Thawte (now owned by Verisign) has something similar.
...and is an order of magnitude cheaper. Go with Thawte.
--
Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://store.exit.com/
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:06:12 +0100
Personally, I use source control for practically everything I do. If for
no other reason, because when I'm finished a set of changes, I can
compare them to the previous version and make sure I didn't leave in any
debugging code, etc.
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Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
From: Jordan Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 27 May 2000 19:09:16 +0100
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> Did anyone know what kind of web server the following web site are
> using.
>
> 1. Hotmail
> 2. Yahoo
> 3. Amazon
Go to http://www.netcraft.com/ and you'll find the answer
Cheers,
--
============
Jordan
http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~jordan/
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:15 +0100
Praedor Tempus wrote:
>
> Direct democracy would SUCK.
I agree.
> You would have religious rightwingers and
> idiots (the majority of the public)
However, I don't think the majority of people are 'idiots'. Compared to
what?
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From: John Molitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:42:57 -0500
James wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Did anyone know what kind of web server the following web site are
> using.
>
> 1. Hotmail
> 2. Yahoo
> 3. Amazon
>
> Why I am asking this question, because I feel so disappointed about MS
> IIS 4.0 server. The server requires to reboot sometimes. This is
> acceptable for some leisure users. For those high loading sites such as
> the above listed, high availability is so vital.
>
> If you know more about the whole architecture, please tell me more. For
> example, 1. what is the web server
> 2. are they using ASP, PHP or JSP
> 3. are they using COM/DCOM or EJB
> 4. what about the middle tier, says MS Transaction Server, Websphere
> or ...
> 5. what is the back end database they use.
> 6. how they handle the load sharing, because they need to handle tons
> of requests all the times.
>
> Thanks,
> JC
>
> (If I cross-post this message or put it in incorrect NG, then sorry)
James,
This won't get you everything you want, but log onto www.netcraft.com.
>From this site you can plug in a web site and it will tell you a lot about
the system the site is using.
John
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: 27 May 2000 18:18:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Praedor Tempus wrote:
:>
:> Direct democracy would SUCK.
: I agree.
:> You would have religious rightwingers and
:> idiots (the majority of the public)
: However, I don't think the majority of people are 'idiots'. Compared to
: what?
The other half of the people.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: varying pc speaker sound in linux
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:25:16 GMT
I know that you can make a sound of a specific
frequency through the PC speaker under DOS with the use of "conio.h"
and "dos.h", but I use Linux. How do I make sounds of this type under
Linux? I'm running Redhat if it makes any difference.
Thanks,
sacredunicorn
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hardlink-problem
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:46:06 -0500
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Christian Jansen wrote:
+ Hi all,
+
+ suppose hardlinking a File A to another file B :
+ ln A B
+
+ So if you change B with _appending_ something like :
+ echo "more stuff" >> B
+ your file A now has the same information than B.
+ But:
+ If you _edit_ B - with emacs for example - this
+ operation will _overwrite_ B, and so file A does
+ not change at all.
+
+ So here comes my question:
+ How can I edit B or A, so that both files now have
+ the new information?
+ Are there some file-attributes or something equal
+ to do this? It should also work with sed or awk.
Huh? On Slackware 7 at least, as well as every other version
of UNIX I have ever worked with, it works fine for me.
When you use emacs, are you saving the file with C-x C-s,
then exiting with C-x C-c? If you are having this problem,
I would not know why... But you could try symlinks:
ln -s realfile link
or you could use a differend editor, like vi or pico.
Regards,
anm
--
/*-------------------------------------------------------.
| Andrew N. McGuire |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
`-------------------------------------------------------*/
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:50:40 +0800
From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
Hi John,
Your few words wake me up and solve my question. This is really amazing and
surprising, Hotmail is using Apache and FreeBSD. I always suppose they should
use MS technology and MS IIS.
Million thanks,
JC
John Molitor wrote:
> James wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Did anyone know what kind of web server the following web site are
> > using.
> >
> > 1. Hotmail
> > 2. Yahoo
> > 3. Amazon
> >
> > Why I am asking this question, because I feel so disappointed about MS
> > IIS 4.0 server. The server requires to reboot sometimes. This is
> > acceptable for some leisure users. For those high loading sites such as
> > the above listed, high availability is so vital.
> >
> > If you know more about the whole architecture, please tell me more. For
> > example, 1. what is the web server
> > 2. are they using ASP, PHP or JSP
> > 3. are they using COM/DCOM or EJB
> > 4. what about the middle tier, says MS Transaction Server, Websphere
> > or ...
> > 5. what is the back end database they use.
> > 6. how they handle the load sharing, because they need to handle tons
> > of requests all the times.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JC
> >
> > (If I cross-post this message or put it in incorrect NG, then sorry)
>
> James,
>
> This won't get you everything you want, but log onto www.netcraft.com.
> From this site you can plug in a web site and it will tell you a lot about
> the system the site is using.
>
> John
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fork in shell-scripts
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:53:48 -0500
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Marc wrote:
+ Hello,
+
+ I've got following question.
+ Is there a possibility to do sth. like a fork in a shell-script?
+ I have a process that does a certain job. I would like to fork+exec and
+ observe the father-process.
+ But as I found out there doesn't seem to be a fork in bash and ksh. Does
+ anybody know a workaround, except writing a C-program that does it?
Well personally, unless this is a system initialization script
or something that requires it to be bash or ksh, I would ditch
the shell script and write it in Perl, if you know Perl...
Much easier than C, but much more flexible than bash.
Regards,
anm
--
/*-------------------------------------------------------.
| Andrew N. McGuire |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
`-------------------------------------------------------*/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Sound problems in KDE
Date: 27 May 2000 15:06:02 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 27 May 2000 17:05:27 GMT, Vadim
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have SuSE linux 6.0, kernel 2.2.9 and an SBLive Value. The modules are
>installed and the sound works. Sending sounds to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio
>also works. But when I try to assign sounds to events in KDE, I don't
>hear anything. Why?
For whatever reason, the KDE start script in /usr/X11R6/bin/startkde
doesn't do the right thing for some sound cards. Edit that script,
and you'll notice there are two startifaudio() functions. Comment out the
one that uses /dev/sndstat as the SBLive cards don't seem to like
/dev/sndstat. This should work... at least, it did for me on SuSE 6.1.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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Crossposted-To: hk.comp.pc,microsoft.public.inetserver.iis,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
From: Jordan Dimitrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 27 May 2000 20:09:06 +0100
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi John,
>
> Your few words wake me up and solve my question. This is really amazing and
> surprising, Hotmail is using Apache and FreeBSD. I always suppose they should
> use MS technology and MS IIS.
>
> Million thanks,
> JC
You should probably take a look at http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/ and
especially http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/hotmail.html. Actually
Kirch's paper says it all. http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/
--
============
Jordan
http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~jordan/
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