Linux-Misc Digest #653, Volume #24 Tue, 30 May 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
What SysAdmins Know: U Washington Survey (Michael Stiber)
Re: Dumb Question (Andreas Kahari)
Re: Composite characters through ASCII code (Andreas Kahari)
ssh problems (Praedor Tempus)
Re: democracy? (Praedor Tempus)
Re: SuSE 6.2 install on EIDE CDROM drive (Helge Preuss)
Re: Dumb Question (Sam)
Re: UPS for Linux recommendation (fred smith)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4 ("AI")
A question of peer to peer, please? ("s-com")
Re: Dial in Server ! (Bob Hauck)
Re: democracy? ("Andrew N. McGuire")
Re: Jikes in caldera 2.4 ("Peter Antypas")
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From: Michael Stiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What SysAdmins Know: U Washington Survey
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:11:03 -0700
System Administrator Survey -- Conducted 5/10/00 to 5/31/00
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* Independent researchers at the University of Washington, Bothell
<http://www.bothell.washington.edu/>
are conducting a survey of system administrators.
* The purpose of this survey is to determine WHAT system administrators
know about the systems they supervise, HOW they acquired their knowledge
and HOW they increase their knowledge.
* This research is being directed by Professor Mike Stiber
<http://faculty.washington.edu/stiber/>
of the university's Computing and Software Systems department.
* The survey consists of 8 questions and takes approximately 5 to 10
minutes to complete.
* All responses are CONFIDENTIAL.
* If you wish to receive a free copy of our findings, use a valid return
email address when you email your completed survey back to us.
* Please respond to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and not to the newsgroup.
* If you wish to participate in the survey but remain completely
ANONYMOUS, print out and complete the survey then mail it to:
Professor Mike Stiber
University of Washington, Bothell
Computing and Software Systems
Bothell, WA 98021
* If you know another sysadmin who would want to participate, please
forward this survey, but please don't forward to a sysadmin you don't
know personally.
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1. As far as you can tell, the system you currently supervise is ...
unlike any other system in the world. ____
for the most part, unusual. ____
equal parts unusual and generic. ____
for the most part, generic. ____
completely standard. ____
(check one)
2. How well do you understand this system? Specifically, at what percent
of completeness - from 0% to 100% -- is your mental representation of this
system? For example, your mental representation of your door-bell system
is probably close to 100% complete. ("Press button ... electrons flow
through bell ... bell makes noise.") But your mental representation of
your endocrine system is probably much less than 100% complete. ("Stuff is
secreting all over the place... I don't know why.") So at what percent of
completeness would you put your mental representation of the system you
currently supervise?
____ %
(from 0% to 100%)
3. How much of what you DO know about the system you currently supervise
is due to ...
hands on experience (with this system and other systems)? ____ %
formal training programs (e.g., Microsoft, Sun, Novell)? ____ %
reading / research on your own (e.g., books, newsgroups)? ____ %
relevant formal education (e.g., college, junior college)? ____ %
working with and learning from others? ____ %
something not listed above? ____ %
(total to 100%)
4. Thinking only about what you DON'T KNOW about the system you currently
supervise, what percentage of what you DON'T KNOW about this system is due
to...
hardware unknowns? ____ %
software unknowns? ____ %
(total to 100%)
5. When you have to do something to this system or fix something on this
system, and you DON'T already know how to do it or fix it, which of the
following actions do you take and what percentage of the time do you take
them? (Since you can take more than one action, the total percentage might
be more than 100%.)
Consult with people you know who have experience. ____ % of the time.
Contact manufacturer support. ____ % of the time.
Contact third party support. ____ % of the time.
Do research via books or technical literature. ____ % of the time.
Do research via the web, bbs or newsgroups. ____ % of the time.
Experiment to try and see what works. ____ % of the time.
Use manufacturer supplied diagnostic tools. ____ % of the time.
Use third party diagnostic tools. ____ % of the time.
Take an action that is not listed above. ____ % of the time.
6. The system you currently supervise has ...
how many servers? ____
how many workstations on those servers? ____
how many users (approximately) per day? ____
(write in number)
7. How many of the servers mentioned in question 6 are ...
Macintosh family. ____
Microsoft family. ____
Novell family. ____
Unix family (including Linux). ____
Other. ____
(write in the number of servers)
8. In the organization that employs you as system administrator, the
people who make the decisions about the allocation of resources ...
DO understand what is involved in system administration, and
DO provide the resources needed to do the job properly. ____
DO understand what is involved in system administration, but
DO NOT provide the resources needed to do the job properly. ____
DO NOT understand what is involved in system administration, but
DO provide the resources needed to do the job properly. ____
DO NOT understand what is involved in system administration, and
DO NOT provide the resources needed to do the job properly. ____
None of the statements above is acceptable. ____
(check one)
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumb Question
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:46:18 GMT
In article <gyQY4.10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"TJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to Linux and having installed the SUSE version it only boots
to a
> command line prompt
>
> Dumb question is : Can I launch it into a GUI from the command line or
do I
> need to reinstall it differently ?
If the X windows system is installed properly, you ought to be able to
give the command 'startx' to get you into it. You might want to change
the initial runlevel to the right value (isn't it 4 or 5?) for you to
get into X on boot.
>
> To prevent such dumb questions in future is there a good online
resource
> which will get me going ?
>
All answers are at <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/>. In particular, you
might want to look at
<URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO.html>,
<URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/gs/gs.html> (section 5) and
<URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/book1.html
(section 5).
/A
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Composite characters through ASCII code
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:50:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have got the need of using composite characters in a shell script.
I'm
>
> on a RedHat 6.1, with X Windows. I've tried with LEFT-ALT + decimal
> value ASCII code (numeric pad) + LEFT-ALT-release, but this does not
> work.
> How is it possible to write a character through its ASCII code? I've
> read the Keyboard HOWTO, but with no results...
> Thank you very much,
What do you want to do? Do you want to write ASCII codes from a shell
script � la "echo $'\045'" (will print a '%' (ASCII octal 045)) or do
you simply want to enter strange things into the editor? In that case:
Which editor?
/A
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ssh problems
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:05:00 -0600
I have openssh installed on both my desktop and laptop computer.
When I try to open a ssh connection to my desktop from my laptop
I cannot. I get a message about connection refused. When I try
from my desktop to my laptop, it connects fine. Both are running
openssh-1.2.2-6, setup the same. Both run sshd.
Is there something I should take a look at that I may have missed?
As far as I can tell and recall, I set them both up the same from
the client-side. It is running as default settings for sshd.
praedor
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:10:43 -0600
Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vilmos Soti wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >> If you want to see corruption at work go and work in Thailand.
> >
> >Heh, once I read in the newspaper (US) that the Thai Secretary of
> >Education (or Culture, or something like this) said that corruption is
> >part of the national heritage and encouraged people to practice this.
>
> If doing XYZ is actually the traditional and accepted way of doing things in
> Thailand, who are we to say it's "corrupt" just because it's not the way we
> expect it to be done in the US (or wherever)? Driving down the left-hand
> side of the highway is illegal, stupid, and probably deadly *in some
> countires*. In other countries it's not. And then there's Italy...
Err...I would wager that the common Thai would prefer no corruption,
period.
Corrupt practices always favor the rich over the common. It provides
political
favors and bad policy simply as a result of payola. It leads to
dangerous
environmental policies (read that to be NO environmental policies), poor
economic policies - and it will, in the longer run, exclude the corrupt
country from the greater economic community. Shady dealmaking,
particularly
when it is found out, does not make for good public policy nor good
public
opinion (which is everything when it comes to a company seeking
customers).
No matter how you slice it, corruption is bad. It is bad for the people
as
a whole, bad for the environment, bad for political stability.
praedor
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:11:33 +0100
From: Helge Preuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.2 install on EIDE CDROM drive
Andrew Williams wrote:
> How I would go about this:
> - set up a dos system with drivers for the CD-Rom, it does not even need to
> occupy a partition - a diskette would do fine
> - boot this and then execute that .exe on the first CD
> - enjoy :-)
if only i had anything Micro$ installed on my PC....YIKES!
0:-)
helge
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From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumb Question
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:10:40 GMT
To expand on changing the init level that Andreas was referring to,
you can make your system boot in different "runlevels." Usually, the
default runlevel for LInux is 3. This loads normal services, such as
the basic internet services. Runlevel 6 is reboot. Runlevel 1 (or 0? I
can't remember) is single user mode.
I believe 5 is the runlevel that also loads X by default; in other
words, if you boot, the machine will come up with an X-based login and
password prompt. You will not be at the command line. Again, do a 'man
inittab' to see what line to edit. I'm not at a Linux box right now,
so I'm doing this off the top of my head. If I was by one, I could
tell you exactly.
Note: To be on the safe side, make a copy of the inittab file before
you modify it! cp /etc/inittab /etc/innittab.old should do the
trick.
sam
I believe
man inittab
will give much more detail on this.
In article <8h0no3$e06$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <gyQY4.10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "TJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm new to Linux and having installed the SUSE version it only boots
> to a
> > command line prompt
> >
> > Dumb question is : Can I launch it into a GUI from the command line
or
> do I
> > need to reinstall it differently ?
>
> If the X windows system is installed properly, you ought to be able to
> give the command 'startx' to get you into it. You might want to change
> the initial runlevel to the right value (isn't it 4 or 5?) for you to
> get into X on boot.
>
> >
> > To prevent such dumb questions in future is there a good online
> resource
> > which will get me going ?
> >
>
> All answers are at <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/>. In particular, you
> might want to look at
> <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO.html>,
> <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/gs/gs.html> (section 5) and
> <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-
easy/book1.html
> (section 5).
>
> /A
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UPS for Linux recommendation
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:04 GMT
John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: fred smith wrote:
<snippage>
:> They've also released the PAPlus software as open source, but I found it
:> less trouble to download the appropriate rpm than to build from source.
:> YMMV.
: I wasn't aware that their software was now available as open
: source. Do they include a cable wiring diagram, or do you happen
: to know how it is wired up?
The UPS comes with the appropriate cable, so I've no knowledge of
its internals. It may be listed in the manual, but I don't have that
handy right now to look it up. You may wish to look on their web site
(which I think, from memory, is www.tripplite.com).
Fred
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"And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father,
Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He
will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding
it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:31:49 GMT
lop@l writes:
>In article <8gub3a$qur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>
>>As a result, a *lot* more coding gets done. Sometimes the resulting code
>>is crap --- so what, scrap it, redo it from scratch, with what you have
>>learned from the mistakes you made the first time around. You can do
>>that four times, and *still* get the good version before the person who
>>does 15/85.
>One can eliminate many unneccessary code iterations by spending more
>time in the analysis and design stage.
Of course. However, if you want to get a job done in as short a time as
possible, you have to consider the *total* of design time plus coding
time.
Design takes time. As the poster a few posts up in the thread stated,
in a well-done commercial project, only 15% of the time is actually spent
coding, the rest is spent on miscallaneous other tasks, including design.
Ask yourself --- how many coding iterations does it take to make up for
the lack of time spent on design? And can those iterations be done in
less time than the design would have taken?
And even if the answer to that last question is "No" --- you still
have to ask yourself whether the implementation you arrive at through
several coding iterations doesn't have other advantages over the one
you arrive at by a single coding phase that follows a lengthy design
phase.
>Imagine a civil engineer building a bridge, then finding out near the
>end that one end is shorter than the other, then blowing it, and starting
>again.
There are two flaws in the analogy:
a) The supposed mistake is *stupid*. People programming for linux don't
usually make *stupid* mistakes in their designs. They might make
numerous *subtle* mistakes, but most of them (and especially most
of the people working on the kernel) have been programming for long
enough not to do something *stupid*. A better analogy in this regard would
be what happened to the West Gate Bridge in Melbourne --- they built it,
but some stresses cropped up, the thing started warping, and while they
were trying to patch that over, it completely fell apart.
b) Bridges cost *money*, not just time. Building bridges also has all sorts
of side effects --- from traffic diversions to environmental impact.
Tearing down a botched-up bridge costs money and time, and also has
all sorts of side effects.
Going through code iterations just takes time, nothing else.
Bernie
--
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
is that you end up being governed by your inferiors
Plato
Greek philosopher, 429-347 BC
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From: "AI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:33:23 +0300
It may be good idea to check CD-ROM drive <--> Sound Card cable.
Andrew
"Thomas Nowak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JC Vollmer wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> > I've just installed SuSE Linux 6.4 on my PentiumII/450.
> > I've noticed that when I try to play an audio CD with Kscd,
> > I can see the readout indicating that it is playing, but I
> > get no sound.
> > I have no difficulty playing .wav files, so I know that the
> > SoundBlaster16 is working. Still, I'd like to be able to play
> > audio CDs.
> >
> > Is there something I've neglected to enable?
> >
> > --
> > JC VOLLMER TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
> > FARCEUR&RACONTEUR IGNORE FULLWISE DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
>
>
>
> I dont know if this solve the problem but....
>
> To play Audio CD you must initialize your soundcard (load the kernel
module) For
> wav this is done automaticaly, but not for CD-Audio.
> After you had played a WAV file, your Audio-CD should work fine.
>
> If you have installed rplay in my cases I only run "rplay xxx"
> xxx shoud be a audio file, but it dont need to exist!
> rplay open some devices from the soundcard und the kerneld load all needed
> kernel modules.
>
>
> Bye Thomas
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From: "s-com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A question of peer to peer, please?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:45:22 -0500
I am running Mandrake 7-0-2, and what I would like to do is have linux show
itself on the network as another peer-to-peer like we are currently doing
with the windoze boxes. We have 95, 98, 98se, and 2000 running that way. I
despise Micro$loth as much as anyone, however it is very nice to use all the
drives as storage as I am currently doing. Does anyone know of a way to do
this? I tried Samba and I will admit I have a LOT!!!! to learn. At least at
this point I can "see" the machine on the lan (Network Neighborhood). I
can't access it yet. When I double click it I get a message box "Enter
network password. Resource: \\SERVER\IPC$" I wish I understood that
message. I am reading all the online stuff I can find as well as the book
"Using Samba, by Eckstein, Collier-Brown, & Kelly." I am beginning to feel
very inadequate. I call the machines kitchen(win98), counter(win98se),
tech(win2k), and server(linux). When I set up kitchen w/ a login and
password I am unable to "see" the rest of them in Network Neighborhood, even
though ICS(counter) still works. I can use Netscape(server) and browse the
"net". So I know the lan is functioning in and out of server. Maybe what I
want to do can't be done. But that is the problem, I just don't know!
Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Dial in Server !
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:49:48 GMT
On Tue, 30 May 2000 22:23:48 +0800, Smart Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Eth0 --> connect to internet
>Eth1 --> connect to local network , ( Use ipchains work fine, all PC's
>in subnet 200.200.130.0/24 can access internet)
>ppp0--> for user dial in ( i have been connect it , it can't ping
>anywhere , include local netwrok PC's and accesss internet,
Can you ping the server from the ppp client, using the address of the
server's end of the link? If yes, maybe you forgot "proxyarp" in ppp
configuration. Can you ping to internet using IP address instead of name?
If yes, you may have wrong nameserver or gateway on client.
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-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:47:23 -0500
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Mark Wilden wrote:
+ "Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
+ >
+ > Clever. :-) I guess every year really starts a new millennium,
+ > although this does not directly pertain to the millennium we were
+ > discussing.
+
+ Actually, each second starts a new millenium. :)
I realized this later.
+ > Well, to me the real idiot is one who does not take the time to think
+ > about the truth of the matter, and then refuses to admit when he is
+ > blatently incorrect.
+
+ However, my point was that this issue is simply not important enough for
+ most people to worry about strict accuracy. And why should they? The
+ rollover to 2000 is much more interesting to them.
I suppose, I for the life of me do not see why though.
+ > [ First of all, let me point out that you more than likely do not have
+ > to recompile your kernel to make your sound card work. ]
+
+ I did, although I compiled sound card support as a module.
There are alternative drivers, also if your kernel supports module
loading, you should have just been able to compile the module, I
believe.
+ > Not so, chosen ignorance is not an excuse
+
+ We just disagree. There are more important issues in people's lives than
+ computer OSs. We, as computer people, tend to forget that.
True.
+ > to say that people think that
+ > Windows is better becuase they do not want to try anything else just
+ > points out their stupidity.
+
+ No, it just points out that they've got other things to think about.
It depends, there are many people who will swear up and down that
it (Windows) is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
+ >If this were the case in all aspects of
+ > life, we would not even have electricity for goodness sake.
+
+ It is the case in all aspects of life. It took technologically astute
+ people to make electricity acceptable to non-technologically astute
+ people.
My point is that if people only 'stick to what they know' and do
no investigation on their own as to what is actually best, then
they should not complain if they do not get the best. Complacency
is a hinderance to innovation, ask Bill Gates. :-)
+ > And to say
+ > that the majority of people believe that Windows is best is not idiotic,
+ > it is true, look at the usage percentage!!!
+
+ That percentage arises from the number of computers that come preloaded
+ with Windows, not from the number of people who think Windows is 'the
+ best OS ever', as you averred.
But you put forth the argument that that is all they know, and wish
to know of nothing else. You can't have it both ways.
+ > of the computers on the planet... Are you saying that that many people
+ > would use it even if there were something better?
+
+ If it were _proven_ to be better, yes. There are other issues involved
+ than the technical quality of the OS, such as the availability of
+ software and help.
True, however if you have ever called _any_ major companies support
lines, you know how bad it is.. Although I can honestly say Sun
Microsystems has some very knowledgable people working for them.
I was impressed by them.
+ > Either way you slice it, the majority looks rather dumb.
+
+ Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, because it must make living in this
+ world very unpleasant for you, thinking that most people are 'idiots'. I
+ also question how, without an absolute standard of intelligence (which
+ doesn't exist), the majority of people can be anything other than
+ average.
I do not think individuals are idiots, I think the conglomeration of
them is idiotic. There is a difference, a definite tendency towards
'mob mentality' in many cases. People, left to their own devices are
on average, quite intelligent. People in a crowd, well that is another
matter.
+ > + Of course, there are people who are smarter than average, and I think
+ > + Usenetters in general fall into that category. But just because I
+ > + (err--we) are smarter than average doesn't mean the average is low. It
+ > + just means that we're quite smart. :)
+ >
+ > Why the (err-we), are you directly insulting my intelligence?
+
+ Not to mention the fact that there are lots of other qualities a person
+ can have besides intelligence (which the term 'idiot' ignores). One of
+ them is to be tolerant and with a strong enough ego that one doesn't
+ read insults where they weren't intended. To be crystal clear, the
+ 'err-we' was an acknowledgement of your and other Usenetter's
+ intelligence, not an insult to it.
Your original tone seemed seemed ambiguous, that's why I asked.
It is hard to tell via text, I asked because I was concerned,
not to accuse you of anything.
+ > I made no attempt to insult yours, but if this is your course
+ > of argument, let me know now, so we can either agree to disagree,
+ > or killfile each other ( I would rather not do that ).
+
+ I have never killfiled anyone in 16 years online. If I don't respect
+ someone's opinions, or feel they don't respect mine, I simply ignore
+ their posts, as I ignore the majority of posts for reasons ranging for
+ disinterest to laziness. The average person, as stupid as she may be,
+ does not generally put her fingers in her ears and scream "I can't hear
+ you, I can't hear you!!", which is what the public announcement of
+ killfiling amounts to.
Sometimes they do, but as I said I would rather resolve any
disagreements we have in a more mature manner. To me a killfile
is a last resort. My news server carries way more posts that it
should... As a result I usually end up killing old threads, and trolls.
Thats about it.
Best Wishes,
anm
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From: "Peter Antypas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jikes in caldera 2.4
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:09:26 -0600
Jikes is a text-mode program (it's only a java compiler which happens to be
10 times faster than Sun's). On KDE, I have never been able to execute text
applications by clicking on them in the file manager. Just open a console
and type "jikes" to see if it runs
BD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am currently running Caldera 2.4 eDesktop and cannot access the jikes
java
> compiler to work. I have found the jikes executable in the directory
> structure but nothing happens when I double click. How can I get this
> feature to work and are there any freely available Java IDE for Linux?
>
> Thanks
>
> BD
>
>
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