Linux-Misc Digest #952, Volume #24 Tue, 27 Jun 00 10:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Simple questions: Pronounce, FreeBSD, pico etc....*s* (Fro-Man)
How much memory do I need for this server (David Rolfe)
Re: can't install linux (Florian E.J. Fruth)
Re: Simple questions: Pronounce, FreeBSD, pico etc....*s* (Big Daddy)
Re: Handle complements (Dances With Crows)
Re: fonts appear all as black boxes (Christoph Kukulies)
Re: copying a newer kernel to an existing installation (Christoph Kukulies)
Re: How do I find my tape drive (Dances With Crows)
Re: How to contact Apache remotely. (Dances With Crows)
mouse garbage ("dlw")
Re: How do I find my tape drive ("Jeff Malka")
Re: How to contact Apache remotely. (Philip Chapman)
Re: fonts appear all as black boxes (Hal Burgiss)
Re: .mp3's play choppy. ("Chris Ripp")
Re: can't install gdk-pixbuf in redhat ("Chris Ripp")
Re: Modem connects, problems with Netscape, telnet, etc,(Where is my mind?) (Dances
With Crows)
I can't get REDHAT 6.2 to work (Tim Lyth)
Re: .mp3's play choppy. (Dances With Crows)
Re: Gnutella fans, READ THIS! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Zoom Modems (Lewis)
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From: Fro-Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Simple questions: Pronounce, FreeBSD, pico etc....*s*
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:17:21 -0400
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Hendrix wrote:
> 1. vi --- Is it spelled out or spoken "Veye"...
Looks good. Or if you use vim, you just call it vim.
> 2. GNU --- Is it spelled out, or pronounced "New"...
I usually pronouce it G-N-U, like the letters.
> 3. Linux --- Leee-nucks, Len-nucks, or Lie-nucks(How does Linus say
> it?)..
lynn-ucks. Like how you pronouce the woman's name lynn, and ucks, like
the latter half of the word you use when describing M$. However, if you
head to: ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/ there you can hear
Linus actualyl saying it.
> 4. SQL --- Is it spelled out, or pronounced "Sequel".. I've heard
> both..
S-Q-L Sequel is M$'s bs.
> 5. Daemon --- Is it demon, or daymon...
Day-mon. I thought this was thuroughly documented on BSD sites!?!
> 6. TCL --- I've heard it called Tickle...???*s*
Only when it is with tk also. It'd be tickle-talk then. Otherwise it is
just T-C-L.
> 7. pico --- Is it pee-co or pie-co...??? (Hey, I've used it
> too)...*s*
Hey, I actually find this to be a quicker editor than vi. Maybe not as
commonly used, but considerbly easier. And pee-co.
> 1. Why is Unix-based systems referred to as *nix based systems when
> linux and various other versions end in "ux"...???
Because linux is a type of unix. So, it still is a *nix.
> 2. Is FreeBSD linux or not...??? When I ordered all the distributions
> from <www.linuxmall.com> I was sent FreeBSD with all the other
> distros...
No, FreeBSD is not linux. FreeBSD is another *nix. ;> It uses a
completely different kernel. Similar ideas, but still different. You can
run linux binaries on FreeBSD though. I believe slackware's ideas are
based off of FreeBSD. Or vice verse.
> 3. Does the POSIX standard dictate the directory structure of *nix based
> systems (usr, home, bin, etc, var et cetera...)...??? If so, where can
> I get a copy of this POSIX standard...??? What else does the standard
> dictate...???
No. That has been an issue for a while between distributions. Each one
think they got it right, but they are all wrong in some way or
another. Tradition is the only think that determines where things go.
> 4. Does the sysvinit program install the 'login' and 'sulogin' programs
> when it is installed itself...??? I know the 'init' process activates
> and respawns these programs, but is the 'login' and 'sulogin' programs
> part of the sysvinit distribution...???
Dunno. Find the package. Make it, then do a find ./* | grep login
> 5. Does anyone but me use 'pico'...???*smile* Getting used to 'vi' is
> just killing me...!!!*s*
If I have to I can use vi, but at the soonest reasonable point I usually
get pico installed and compiled. :>
> Sorry for bombarding you guys with all these questions, but I figure
> this is the best place to inquire...*smile* Thanks to all you took the
> time to read and/or respond to this email... Take care...
Hope it helped. Good luck.
# Aaron Day # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~daya #
The secret to successful programming: Good error messages.
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From: David Rolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How much memory do I need for this server
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:18:43 -0400
I am putting together a linux box that will sit on the internet that
students can telnet to do their programming assignments. We want to
support 30 students. They will be only running telnet sessions in line
mode and compiling and running simple programs. The machine we have is a
450 MHZ machine with 64 Megs of memory. Does anyone know if this is
enough memory to support the application? In addition, is there some
configuration file somewhere that limits the number of telnet sessions?
If there is I need to set this up. Finally can anyone point me to
something I can read about securty issues. This machine will be very
simple. It will not be any kind of web server. Just a "compile server".
Thanks, Dave
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From: Florian E.J. Fruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't install linux
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:16:29 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in <8j9fsg$lgi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have a 13 GB hdd on a quite old computer which bios only recognizes
> 7.8GB. As soon as I have a partition over 7.8 gb allocated, I can't
> install linux (suse and red hat). the strange thing is, that red hat
> recognizes all partitions correctly but if I want to partition with
> fdisk, the pc hangs. When partitioning with partition magic in winnt4.0
> and then mounting the linux partitions in the redhat install routine and
> pressing next causes again the pc to hang. I know, that some "old"
> or os which call the bios for the size of the hdd have problems
> installing onto a hdd > 8GB (like win9x, winnt4.0 prior sp4 or os/2). is
> there a way to solve this problem. I don't want to throw away all the
> data over the 8gb (Beos and win2k caused no problem at all when
> installing). I fussed around almost half a day with OS/2 warp 4 and
> ended up with a second hdd and a primary partition. I really don't want
> to have to do this with linux too. so please reply, hopefully there is a
> way,
> claus goettfert
have u tried to set the linux partition below 8gb and windoze above ?
perhaps if u haven't it could solve your problem...
fejf
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From: Big Daddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple questions: Pronounce, FreeBSD, pico etc....*s*
Date: 27 Jun 2000 12:43:00 GMT
Scribbling furiously, Fro-Man managed to write....
:> 2. GNU --- Is it spelled out, or pronounced "New"...
: I usually pronouce it G-N-U, like the letters.
as in, "guh-new"? Or "gee-ehn-you"? I always just said "new"... I
believe this is more-or-less correct.... Gnu is a "real word" (an
animal, actually), and is pronounced like that.
:> 7. pico --- Is it pee-co or pie-co...??? (Hey, I've used it
:> too)...*s*
: Hey, I actually find this to be a quicker editor than vi. Maybe not as
: commonly used, but considerbly easier. And pee-co.
Nay. Pie-co. ;-)
--
Big Daddy
The early bird still has to eat worms.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Handle complements
Date: 27 Jun 2000 08:56:36 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:10:18 +0200, Nikodemus Karlsson
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hi,
>I often have to delete all the files in a directory
>except one file or one kind of files (*.c).
>How can I do this with one command? I want it
>to work like "rm -f * except *.c"
find . -not -name \*.c -exec rm -f {} \;
That's a bit unwieldly, but you can encapsulate that into a shell function
or something. Be careful with that rm -f though.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fonts appear all as black boxes
Date: 27 Jun 2000 12:59:13 GMT
Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On 27 Jun 2000 10:47:59 GMT, Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:wrote:
:>Gnome/RH 6.1:
:>SiS 6326 PCI 4MB 24 bpp (also with 8bpp , IIRC)
:>XFree86 3.3.5
:>
:>
:>Several fonts, 75dpi, misc (fixed) appear as single colored
:>fg=bg solid boxes in Gnome applications and xterms.
:>
:>I suspect it could have something to do with glyphs and the Xserver.
:>
:>Any ideas? Known problem?
: Have you tried the RH updates? IIRC, there was a problem with this X
: server. Check the errata at redhat.com. Also, 24bpp can be squirelly,
: Try 16.
Tried that too to no avail.
Hmm. I didn't see an XFree86 upgrade in the RH 6.1 errata section.
Should I look at xfree86.org?
: --
: Hal B
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: --
--
Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: copying a newer kernel to an existing installation
Date: 27 Jun 2000 13:01:32 GMT
Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: How do I have to proceed, when I did a Linux (RH 6.1) installation
: and I want to exchange the kernel on the hard disk afterwards (because
: the installed kernel 2.2.12 panics - it is an SMP machine and
: I have working SMP kernels lying around on other machines)
I tried dd if=bzImage of=/dev/fd0
and rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/hda1
afterwards.
This boots fine from the floppy but then panics because kernel can't
find init. It suggests to use the init= option.
How do I get the init= option attached to such a dd'ed bzImage?
: --
: Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How do I find my tape drive
Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:02:18 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:52:42 -0400, Jeff Malka
<<Bx065.8637$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have TurboLinux 6 workstatrion installed and am just learning to use it.
And did anyone point you to the man pages or the HOWTOs?
http://linuxnewbie.org/
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/
/usr/doc/howto/
>I have a tape drive installed on my machine. How do I find it under Linux
>and how would I do a complete backup of Linux to tape?
If this is a SCSI tape drive, it's under /dev/nst0 (Non-rewinding SCSI
Tape 0) and /dev/st0 (rewinding SCSI Tape 0). If it's IDE, then it's
under /dev/nht0 and /dev/ht0. The time-honored tape archiver program is
tar, but cpio and BRU have their partisans as well. Check the info page
for tar ("info tar") to find out more than you ever wanted to know, or
check the HOWTO link above for the Backup-HOWTO.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How to contact Apache remotely.
Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:10:28 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:30:03 GMT, alan
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Would like to know what exactly is involved. I know about localhost and
>127.0.0.1 for local contact. Obviously, for remote contact I need to know
>my own unique IP address (where is that kept?). Then do I simply enter that
>from a remote loaction while this machine is on the internet?? Please
To see which IP address(es) your machine currently has, enter
"/sbin/ifconfig" at the command line. The "lo" interface is the loopback
network, which is always present and always 127.0.0.1.
To reach your machine from the outside world, you need nothing more than
an IP address and a network connection. It's just http://208.176.111.37/
if you don't have a domain name. However, static IPs are getting hard to
find these days. Normally, cable modem/DSL/dialup service providers
assign you a dynamic IP via DHCP, and the IP of your machine can change
without warning, making it more difficult than it should be to connect to
your home computer. There's a partial solution at http://dyndns.org .
If you want to access your machine using something like
http://my.place.org/ , then you need to purchase a domain name, and you
need to either run named and BIND on your machine (and probably have it up
24/7) or have your machine's IP and domain added to a nameserver
somewhere.
Further information available in the Net-3 HOWTO and Networking HOWTO on
http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/ .
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: "dlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mouse garbage
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:14:00 -0500
i'm trying to setup my mouse for xwindows but whenever i select anything the
mouse moves to the right or left of the screen and won't budge. but it
works fine in console? any ideas? its just a generic microcrap mouse...
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeff Malka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I find my tape drive
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:15:46 -0400
Thank you very much indeed. Especially for the two links. Great.
--
Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:52:42 -0400, Jeff Malka
> <<Bx065.8637$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the
ether:
> >I have TurboLinux 6 workstatrion installed and am just learning to use
it.
>
> And did anyone point you to the man pages or the HOWTOs?
> http://linuxnewbie.org/
> http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/
> /usr/doc/howto/
>
> >I have a tape drive installed on my machine. How do I find it under
Linux
> >and how would I do a complete backup of Linux to tape?
>
> If this is a SCSI tape drive, it's under /dev/nst0 (Non-rewinding SCSI
> Tape 0) and /dev/st0 (rewinding SCSI Tape 0). If it's IDE, then it's
> under /dev/nht0 and /dev/ht0. The time-honored tape archiver program is
> tar, but cpio and BRU have their partisans as well. Check the info page
> for tar ("info tar") to find out more than you ever wanted to know, or
> check the HOWTO link above for the Backup-HOWTO.
>
> --
> Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the
face
> \----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and
still
> \There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So
did
> But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or
Usenetters?" --/me
>
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From: Philip Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to contact Apache remotely.
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:15:33 GMT
alan wrote:
>
> Would like to know what exactly is involved. I know about localhost and
> 127.0.0.1 for local contact. Obviously, for remote contact I need to know
> my own unique IP address (where is that kept?). Then do I simply enter that
> from a remote loaction while this machine is on the internet?? Please
> explain?? NB thanks so much for previous Linux help.
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
Based upon what you have asked, I'm assuming that you are using dialup
ISP services. Most often, an IP address is assigned to your machine
from a pool of available addresses when you connect to your ISP's
network. You will have
a different address each time you connect. On a RedHat system you could
look in /var/log/messages for a line telling you what IP address you
have been assigned.
Assuming you know your assigned address is v.x.y.z, you could connect to
apache from any computer on the internet using http://v.x.y.z/
--
Philip A. Chapman
IT Manager for Alliance TeleSolutions
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: fonts appear all as black boxes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:16:51 GMT
On 27 Jun 2000 12:59:13 GMT, Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On 27 Jun 2000 10:47:59 GMT, Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>:>Gnome/RH 6.1:
>:>SiS 6326 PCI 4MB 24 bpp (also with 8bpp , IIRC)
>:>XFree86 3.3.5
>:>
>:>
>:>Several fonts, 75dpi, misc (fixed) appear as single colored
>:>fg=bg solid boxes in Gnome applications and xterms.
>:>
>:>I suspect it could have something to do with glyphs and the Xserver.
>:>
>:>Any ideas? Known problem?
>
>: Have you tried the RH updates? IIRC, there was a problem with this X
>: server. Check the errata at redhat.com. Also, 24bpp can be squirelly,
>: Try 16.
>
>Tried that too to no avail.
>
>Hmm. I didn't see an XFree86 upgrade in the RH 6.1 errata section.
>Should I look at xfree86.org?
You're right, must've been thinking 6.0. You could always try the 3.3.6
from 6.2. IIRC, that requires a glibc upgrade too though. You might also
try the search engine at redhat.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chris Ripp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .mp3's play choppy.
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:42:43 -0500
"Nelson Muntz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED][snip]
I think the problem has more to do with how the guts of Linux works than
anything else. I have the same problem on my K6-2-350. Any "serious"
activity other than just simple viewing or typing makes xmms sound like a
tape jammed in the rollers. Linux is simply giving up cpu cycles to the
other processes at the expense of xmms. Not too much you can do about it,
really. Xmms is a pretty big resource hog by itself (relatively speaking).
If you run into the problem so much you can't stand it, try using mpg123
from the command line. It'll play 192k MP3s on my dinky P90 laptop (as long
as I'm not doing anything else :p ) So it should play a lot nicer with any
other apps you have going.
http://www.mpg123.de
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From: "Chris Ripp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't install gdk-pixbuf in redhat
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:33:57 -0500
"Tan Chee Sin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I downloaded the rpm from
> http://www.redhat.com/swr/i386/gdk-pixbuf-0.5.0-1.i386_dl.html
> then I install with "rpm -ivh gdk-pixbuf-0.5.0-1.src.rpm", it seems to
> install. But when I do a "rpm -qi gdk-pixbuf-0.5.0-1.src.rpm", it
> reported package gdk-pixbuf-0.5.0-1.src.rpm is not installed. So what's
> wrong?
After you've installed an RPM, don't refer to it by it's full package-file
name anymore.
Try 'rpm -qi gdk-pixbuf'
Unfortunately I'm not sure that 'src' rpms are even listed in the database,
as nothing really depends on them anyhow, so what's the point? To check
what src rpms you've got, go to '/usr/src/redhat' and probably SPECS, which
will have all the .spec files of the source rpms you've installed.
hth - Chris
>
> Chee Sin
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem connects, problems with Netscape, telnet, etc,(Where is my mind?)
Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:21:29 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:45:00 GMT, Paul Eisenberg
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hey! I finally got my a modem to work and connect with my Internet
>Server after using the following line
>
>setserial /dev/ttyS2 auto_irq autoconfig
>
>It then seems to dial fine after putting a # sign in front of auth on
>the /etc/ppp/options(i think correct path). Now after I connect and
>it logs in I am unable to use Netscape, telnet, or anything else. It
>seems like I'm not connected at all. I tried pinging, telnet, etc,
Can you ping an IP address once connected? For example,
ping 64.28.67.48 (IP of slashdot.org)
should give you something. If it does, then you are connected, you just
don't have DNS. You can fix that by either manually adding the DNS lines
in /etc/resolv.conf or having the PPP-up script do that for you. kppp or
GNOME's PPP dialer have options to fill in the DNS servers. The format of
the /etc/resolv.conf file is like so:
search
nameserver xxx.yyy.zzz.www
nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd
Replace those with the actual IP addresses of your ISP's DNS servers,
naturally. Your ISP should be able to tell you those.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: Tim Lyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I can't get REDHAT 6.2 to work
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:07:24 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Newsgroup,
I am a new user of linux and I am trying to get it installed on my
machine at home. I can run the install program and when I choose to
install linux in a DOS/Windows partition, it copies all the data but
when I try to boot off it, it doesn't work, NOR does it load LILO.
However, when I choose to install in it a Native Linux partition on
/dev/hdc, it creates the partition, makes it bootable, attempts but
fails to create the filesystem.
I have a Pentium 166Mhz, 48Mb RAM, 3 hdd (8Gb, 1.2Gb, 87Mb (/dev/hda,
/dev/hdc, /dev/hdd), CD-ROM, Win98SE on /dev/hda1 (all 8Gb of /dev/hda),
nothing on the other two. I only have three partitions (one on each
drive).
Cheers,
Tim Lyth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: .mp3's play choppy.
Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:38:30 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:42:43 -0500, Chris Ripp
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I think the problem has more to do with how the guts of Linux works than
>anything else. I have the same problem on my K6-2-350. Any "serious"
>activity other than just simple viewing or typing makes xmms sound like a
>tape jammed in the rollers. Linux is simply giving up cpu cycles to the
>other processes at the expense of xmms. Not too much you can do about it,
>really. Xmms is a pretty big resource hog by itself (relatively speaking).
?? This is very different from my experiences. For me, xmms on a K6-2
400 eats 5% of the CPU, and it's possible to run Netscape, Oracle 8i,
several xterms, distributed.net, serve files to the lan at 300K/s via NFS,
and compile a kernel all at the same time without hearing any skipping.
On a P-150, xmms eats more like 12% of the CPU, but it's possible to run
Netscape and a couple of xterms at the same time without causing skipping.
ISTR that certain releases of xmms had problems. Get the latest version
from http://xmms.org/ or if you're using the latest version, downgrade a
couple of steps. I'm using 1.0.1 FWIW.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnutella fans, READ THIS!
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:49:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > Jim Hill wrote:
> > >
> > > Kracked Up <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >At last, we have a resouce that's not been commercialized and
> > > >exploited...yet...
> > >
> > > Your protest would be a lot more tolerable if you weren't using a news
> > > server which pisses into the world's spools with every post by tacking
> > > an ad onto your own content:
> > >
> > > >Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
> > > >Up to 100 minutes free!
> > > >http://www.keen.com
> > >
> > > Jim
> >
> > Yeah.. that's at least as bad as redirecting music searches to porn
> > sites... sheesh. Get a grip.
>
> Hmm... one poster feels cheated that his morally questionable activities
> (stealing music) are being hampered by another company's questionable
> morals (spamming porn). The second poster complains about the
> questionable morals of a third company (spamming their services).
>
> Which is worse? You be the judge.
>
Gentlemen, please! Let us not go off-topic!
Mr Kracked, how is the porn? Is it really bad? ;-)
>
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis)
Subject: Zoom Modems
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:09:02 GMT
I am looking at purchasing a Zoom External Modem, it says that it is
PNP and works with windows and mac's. I was of the opinion all Ext's
work with Linux, any ideas. Thanks.
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